Unity Five of a Kind [v0.4.0.2] [JorogrArt]

[NTR Sommelier]

But is Meredith going straight to bareback though? (from dialogue I remember in the bonus scene) I think allowing sex but only with condoms can make bareback and eventually, creampie more rewarding later on.

 

[JorogrArt]

But is Meredith going straight to bareback though? (from dialogue I remember in the bonus scene) I think allowing sex but only with condoms can make bareback and eventually, creampie more rewarding later on.

I know which exchange you're talking about and it leads to one of my favorite lines in the game:

MC: Do.. do you want me to grab a condom?
Meredith: No, Sweetie. No condoms. If we're going to break a taboo, we're going to do it in style.
MC: Oh.
MC: OH!!!

I've established an informal rule that the women in this game (unrealistically) react unfavorably to the suggestion of birth control and will let you creampie them to your heart's content without any expressed caution or concern over pregnancy (or STDs). If you don't want Pregnancy, it's incumbent upon you as the player to practice "safe sex" and turn Pregnancy off in the Options Menu.

Meredith is going straight to bareback the moment she decides vaginal penetration is on the table. Kinks range far and wide, but I have NEVER heard of anyone who is REALLY into condom sex. My best evidence to support this is that if I type "condom" into reddit, the top recommended subreddit is "condomremoval." Therefore, my view is that having condom sex is just going to be a scene designed to appeal to no one. If I want to tease the player, there are plenty of other ways to do that. I recommend the "outercourse" and "pussyjobs" subreddits for demonstrations.

That said, you've pointed out a continuity issue with that scene. I definitely don't want the Bonus scene to be their first time and there's never going to be condom sex in this game. What I'll probably do to solve this is move the "break a taboo in style" exchange to the first time they have sex and take it out of the bonus scene.

P.S. Thank you for pointing this out. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Cheers!

 

[NTR Sommelier]

I know which exchange you're talking about and it leads to one of my favorite lines in the game:

MC: Do.. do you want me to grab a condom?
Meredith: No, Sweetie. No condoms. If we're going to break a taboo, we're going to do it in style.
MC: Oh.
MC: OH!!!

I've established an informal rule that the women in this game (unrealistically) react unfavorably to the suggestion of birth control and will let you creampie them to your heart's content without any expressed caution or concern over pregnancy (or STDs). If you don't want Pregnancy, it's incumbent upon you as the player to practice "safe sex" and turn Pregnancy off in the Options Menu.

Meredith is going straight to bareback the moment she decides vaginal penetration is on the table. Kinks range far and wide, but I have NEVER heard of anyone who is REALLY into condom sex. My best evidence to support this is that if I type "condom" into reddit, the top recommended subreddit is "condomremoval." Therefore, my view is that having condom sex is just going to be a scene designed to appeal to no one. If I want to tease the player, there are plenty of other ways to do that. I recommend the "outercourse" and "pussyjobs" subreddits for demonstrations.

That said, you've pointed out a continuity issue with that scene. I definitely don't want the Bonus scene to be their first time and there's never going to be condom sex in this game. What I'll probably do to solve this is move the "break a taboo in style" exchange to the first time they have sex and take it out of the bonus scene.

P.S. Thank you for pointing this out. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Cheers!

I mentioned the condom thing because my background in NTR where is very common that the heroine halfway through her corruption will consent to sex but only with condom, and as she is corrupted eventually she allows it to be raw. But I understand, this game has a different angle, I'm not criticizing or anything, in fact I love your game!

 

[thealucid]

I know which exchange you're talking about and it leads to one of my favorite lines in the game:

MC: Do.. do you want me to grab a condom?
Meredith: No, Sweetie. No condoms. If we're going to break a taboo, we're going to do it in style.
MC: Oh.
MC: OH!!!

I've established an informal rule that the women in this game (unrealistically) react unfavorably to the suggestion of birth control and will let you creampie them to your heart's content without any expressed caution or concern over pregnancy (or STDs). If you don't want Pregnancy, it's incumbent upon you as the player to practice "safe sex" and turn Pregnancy off in the Options Menu.

Meredith is going straight to bareback the moment she decides vaginal penetration is on the table. Kinks range far and wide, but I have NEVER heard of anyone who is REALLY into condom sex. My best evidence to support this is that if I type "condom" into reddit, the top recommended subreddit is "condomremoval." Therefore, my view is that having condom sex is just going to be a scene designed to appeal to no one. If I want to tease the player, there are plenty of other ways to do that. I recommend the "outercourse" and "pussyjobs" subreddits for demonstrations.

That said, you've pointed out a continuity issue with that scene. I definitely don't want the Bonus scene to be their first time and there's never going to be condom sex in this game. What I'll probably do to solve this is move the "break a taboo in style" exchange to the first time they have sex and take it out of the bonus scene.

P.S. Thank you for pointing this out. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Cheers!

Fuck yessssss

I love buildup, but once it reaches vaginal I absolutely agree it should go to bareback creampie. I think it just gives you the hottest payoff possible.

It's like sitting in the baking hot sun all day before going to the pool, and the difference between wading slowly into the water one toe at a time and the icy pleasure and shock of just jumping straight in.

Going condom -> bareback -> creampie ironically cheapens the ultimate payoff I think.

 

[syuura1]

The animations are fantastic. One issue for the (upcoming) creampie scenes: I would hope you would add a scene afterwards to show the creampie dripping out, rather than just the internal view.

 

[lele12]

Great game buddy go for it.

 

[JorogrArt]

One issue for the (upcoming) creampie scenes: I would hope you would add a scene afterwards to show the creampie dripping out, rather than just the internal view.

I agree. This is something I've wanted to have in the game for a long time. What I imagine is adding a "postcoital pullout" mechanic during the "aftercare" stage for those who want to see the leakage (which I imagine would be most players).

The main reason this isn't in the existing scenes already is that I haven't quite figured out how to do it from a technical standpoint. Unity has a robust particle system and I should be able to achieve an effect that looks great and (more importantly) is reusable. I just haven't gotten it to look right (so far).

 

[brata]

I agree. This is something I've wanted to have in the game for a long time. What I imagine is adding a "postcoital pullout" mechanic during the "aftercare" stage for those who want to see the leakage (which I imagine would be most players).

The main reason this isn't in the existing scenes already is that I haven't quite figured out how to do it from a technical standpoint. Unity has a robust particle system and I should be able to achieve an effect that looks great and (more importantly) is reusable. I just haven't gotten it to look right (so far).

I actually don't prefer internal views (since most of the times it looks like it's just a penis spilling inside a hole) but I do 2nd the motion that a "pull out" scene (which shouldn't be too difficult to add in the playing scene) with the semen dripping is FAR better.

For the condoms : The whole concept is nice that the milf prefer to do it without condoms but you should keep a sense of "fear of getting pregnant" such as the milf requesting pills or asking him to pull out and she gets mad with him when he does , or similar things which will show that even though the milf is OK with doing it raw she is still afraid of getting pregnant.
Just my 2 cents

And again...

If you have an alternative way of payment , I would gladly send $50 your way.

Also for the Unity part,
It doesn't have to be a particle or even a GUI material. Just add an image of the semen layer and fade it in. It doesn't really need to move etc.

 

[JorogrArt]

I actually don't prefer internal views (since most of the times it looks like it's just a penis spilling inside a hole) but I do 2nd the motion that a "pull out" scene (which shouldn't be too difficult to add in the playing scene) with the semen dripping is FAR better.

It's been a while since I've polled for it, but disliking the internal view appears to be a minority view (at least among my subscribers and from a few months ago). I'm open to the possibility (not for this update) of having a toggle to turn off the internal view, but only if the "pullout" option is there, so the player can be visually assured that insemination had occurred.

For the condoms : The whole concept is nice that the milf prefer to do it without condoms but you should keep a sense of "fear of getting pregnant" such as the milf requesting pills or asking him to pull out and she gets mad with him when he does , or similar things which will show that even though the milf is OK with doing it raw she is still afraid of getting pregnant.
Just my 2 cents

Hmmm.

Pregnancy is one of those things that has a wide range of player expectations. On one hand, I've heard from ardent pregnancy fetishists who regularly ping me for details on when pregnant bellies and pregnant sex will be implemented (not anytime soon). On the other hand, I've also heard from players (not as many to be fair) who found the pregnancy popups to be upsetting when they weren't expecting that to be a possibility. I've also heard seemingly every possible viewpoint in-between.

I know I can't appease everyone with regard to Pregnancy with any precision, so I've tried to cover as many bases as possible, presenting Pregnancy as a binary in the form of the Pregnancy On/Off toggle in Settings.

On = Meredith & Friends are unrealistically and cartoonishly flippant about the life-altering prospect of getting pregnant.
Off = MC might as well have had a vasectomy. Everyone can enjoy care-free creampies without worrying about pregnancy at all.

What you seem to be expressing is that these options might miss out on the erotic value of Meredith & Friends being afraid of getting pregnant. I'm interested in having that view elaborated upon. Obviously, if this were real life, both MC and Meredith would be careful to practice safe sex to avoid pregnancy (and STDs), but this isn't real life and so the characters are cartoonishly written to not view getting pregnant as a big deal (which would of course be silly and reckless irl).

There are certain unerotic things that can/do happen in irl sex that are glossed over or ignored in erotic fiction. For example, at no point does Meredith take MC's clothes off and after taking two whiffs, insist he go take a shower before proceeding.

And again...

If you have an alternative way of payment , I would gladly send $50 your way.

Thank you! I'll look into it. Legit payment options for exchanging money seem to frown on these types of transactions.

Cheers!

 

[Erebus69]

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Just my thoughts its a porn game. I don't think there needs to be rationalization about why somebody does doesn't get pregnant, and I gladly welcome games that provide the option up front vs in a scene. Then again I would prefer no pregnancy as then that dev time can be allocated to more game play elsewhere. I also dont think STDs need to be a game play element. I doubt anybody really wants to be real life simulator where 70s crabs, 80s AIDS, etc is part of a game when all that was really wanted was milf action. Now condoms might be interesting for the hentai condom wearing crowd, or for cum play elements.

 

[milfluv69]

What you seem to be expressing is that these options might miss out on the erotic value of Meredith & Friends being afraid of getting pregnant. I'm interested in having that view elaborated upon. Obviously, if this were real life, both MC and Meredith would be careful to practice safe sex to avoid pregnancy (and STDs), but this isn't real life and so the characters are cartoonishly written to not view getting pregnant as a big deal (which would of course be silly and reckless irl).

Just gonna briefly give my 2 cents here. I think generally when people want pregnancy to be a consideration during a bareback sex scene, it's because a big portion of the impregnation fetish is excitement over the risk. It doesn't necessarily have to be a huge focus of the scene, but a few little lines here and there of the characters acknowledging the risk should scratch that itch in people who enjoy that kind of thing.

That's already kind of covered in the "MC: Do.. do you want me to grab a condom?" line you mentioned. It's only hinted at there though, there's room for other little comments that are more direct. E.g. Meredith saying "wow, it's almost like you're trying to get me pregnant" if the player has left the pregnancy toggle on which could be followed up by some comical dialogue of the MC acting flustered. If the toggle is off the characters could just not care at all and never even mention pregnancy.

 

[brata]

What you seem to be expressing is that these options might miss out on the erotic value of Meredith & Friends being afraid of getting pregnant. I'm interested in having that view elaborated upon.

...., it's because a big portion of the impregnation fetish is excitement over the risk. It doesn't necessarily have to be a huge focus of the scene, but a few little lines here and there of the characters acknowledging the risk should scratch that itch in people who enjoy that kind of thing.

Pretty much what Milfluv69 is expressing.
I think you can satisfy both prego/non-prego fans by simply providing the option of the excitement of getting the girls pregnant but without actually seeing them pregnant (at least not all) by simply avoiding the situation entirely before the girl goes into pregnancy (huge bellies). This ofc doesn't need to apply for all girls.
Technically and artistically , it will be a lot easier , instead of providing an on/off option (which means that you will need to do both worlds , twice the work and half the updates), the best option is to simply having one of the entities (either the girl or the male) simply trying to avoid the situation while the other does not.
For example , the hero could possibly want to get Meredith pregnant to establish his dominance or that Meredith is "his woman now" as a male achievement with Meredith trying to be safe by asking him to avoid doing it in non-safe days while the hero does "tricks" to trick her , i.e - changing her calendar days , or mixing up her pills, or simply even poking a hole on the condom (that he could be using in the non-safe days). This creates additional plot/tasks to do as it could be a "Make Meredith your woman" and later trying to fix it by "Fix your situation" when Meredith does get pregnant (no need for big belly, just a pregnancy test a few days later) with the hero salvaging it by having the ghost lady fix the situation without a clinic or risks and making Meredith think it was a false alarm.
Same goes for other girls but some of them may do want to get pregnant , like the aunt that lives alone , maybe she wants a kid and she tricks you (more booze?) into doing it and then blackmails you for things.

What I am trying to say is that most people (imo) get excited about the risk and the process of getting a girl pregnant and not actually seeing an 8 month old pregnant lady having sex, and that also it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't at least get one of the non-main girls pregnant to satisfy even that portion of fans while still keeping everyone happy.

To sum up:
1. I think you should have Meredith getting pregnant (which will be a false alarm at the end) by the hero and her getting mad about it because she asked him not to do it and he did not listen , resulting in a drama-plot between trust which will result in game progression and an even more exciting scene when their relationship is back into sexual and can progress again. This imo is a good idea because after the Meredith plot is "finished" in the sense that he had sex with her , players will try to win her over again as she will become distant or even better hostile towards the player as she did not want to get pregnant.
2. You should explore the idea of getting at least one non-main girl pregnant and drop the "all the girls on/off pregnancy option". This should save you lots of time and it will still keep everyone happy
3. In the cartoonish world , people expect girls to be easy(er) but it ruins it when they become just plain sluts. Women begging for men to get pregnant is just ruinning the taboo which is everything this game is about.

 

[JorogrArt]

Technically and artistically , it will be a lot easier , instead of providing an on/off option (which means that you will need to do both worlds , twice the work and half the updates), the best option is to simply having one of the entities (either the girl or the male) simply trying to avoid the situation while the other does not.

For example , the hero could possibly want to get Meredith pregnant to establish his dominance or that Meredith is "his woman now" as a male achievement with Meredith trying to be safe by asking him to avoid doing it in non-safe days while the hero does "tricks" to trick her , i.e - changing her calendar days , or mixing up her pills, or simply even poking a hole on the condom (that he could be using in the non-safe days).

Respectfully, I'm not a fan of this. The game I have made up to this point is a light-hearted adventure that (at least aspirationally) has an underlying pro-consent ethic. Having one character get another pregnant against their will, especially through trickery, is (imo) quite a shift in tone and not something I planned for.

What I am trying to say is that most people (imo) get excited about the risk and the process of getting a girl pregnant and not actually seeing an 8 month old pregnant lady having sex

I think this statement (in isolation) is probably true. It's also possible that most people don't care about pregnancy at all and are primarily just there for the sex. Speaking personally, I like seeing the pregnancy popups, but I'm not interested as a player in anything after that point, or at least I'm not interested in having it depicted (again speaking only as a player).

I try to use my own polling and of course what people tell me (anecdotes) to get an approximation of what most players want, but it's impossible to truly know with any accuracy. The pregnant bellies and pregnant sex crowd appears to be a small slice, but it is a vocal one. A player whose view on something is "I like it the way it is!" is not going to be vocally stating that on forums or in my DMs.

Today, I learned a new perspective on pregnancy in pr0n games that I was not aware of before, which affirms my original statement, which I will now amend:

"Pregnancy is one of those topics with a wide range of often-competing points of emphasis and it's impossible to satisfy everyone with one or two approaches."

 

[JorogrArt]

Just my thoughts its a porn game. I don't think there needs to be rationalization about why somebody does doesn't get pregnant, and I gladly welcome games that provide the option up front vs in a scene. Then again I would prefer no pregnancy as then that dev time can be allocated to more game play elsewhere. I also dont think STDs need to be a game play element. I doubt anybody really wants to be real life simulator where 70s crabs, 80s AIDS, etc is part of a game when all that was really wanted was milf action.

Thank you for this post. This is how I imagine most players feel, that the primary draw is all the leadup to a satisfying and meaningful vaginal creampie with a hot milf mom. Beyond that point, some players will see pregnancy as the next step. Others will see FFM threesomes as the next step. Yet others will see <fill in the blank>.

I think generally when people want pregnancy to be a consideration during a bareback sex scene, it's because a big portion of the impregnation fetish is excitement over the risk. It doesn't necessarily have to be a huge focus of the scene, but a few little lines here and there of the characters acknowledging the risk should scratch that itch in people who enjoy that kind of thing.

That's already kind of covered in the "MC: Do.. do you want me to grab a condom?" line you mentioned. It's only hinted at there though, there's room for other little comments that are more direct. E.g. Meredith saying "wow, it's almost like you're trying to get me pregnant" if the player has left the pregnancy toggle on which could be followed up by some comical dialogue of the MC acting flustered. If the toggle is off the characters could just not care at all and never even mention pregnancy.

I agree with this and it's a good point. What you're saying is that a couple of lines from the characters beforehand acknowledging the risk of pregnancy can add a little bit of extra spice. I'm all about the build-up and I will keep this in mind, going forward.

A quick point about that "condom" exchange with Meredith:

MC: Do.. do you want me to grab a condom?
Meredith: No, Sweetie. No condoms. If we're going to break a taboo, we're going to do it in style.
MC: Oh.
MC: OH!!!

That line from Meredith tells the player that she is consenting to the risk of pregnancy without clubbing the player over the head with some heavy-handed, after-school-special, pro-consent rhetoric.

 

[Mirso]

JorogrArt plz make the game how u want and not how they want. alot of us love the game the way it is now,

 

[brata]

JorogrArt - We actually agree. I am just throwing in ideas on how you can keep (which is near impossible) everyone happy whilst keeping your artistic and gameline pathway in a fun and progressive manner.
My last 2 cents is that the it would be good (prego-or-not) to have a way or plot-hole so that players can switch their option. For example the pro-prego player should be allowed to change his mind and vice versa through out the game.
And a final Q :
If a girl becomes pregnant ... will anything else change besides her appearance? (Attitude or plot or quests?)

 

[Erebus69]

Thank you for this post. This is how I imagine most players feel, that the primary draw is all the leadup to a satisfying and meaningful vaginal creampie with a hot milf mom. Beyond that point, some players will see pregnancy as the next step. Others will see FFM threesomes as the next step. Yet others will see <fill in the blank>.

FFFM is the next step! then you can get to the intoduction of the swinger neighbors, swedish stewardesses, and the milf across the street

 

[NTR Sommelier]

For me, even with the game being lighthearted we still need some sense of taboo, of danger, of immorality, otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of the incest fetish. I agree that the thought of impregnation itself is probably more alluring than the image of a woman with a big belly. I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter where the dev wants the game to go, I hope that the sense of taboo is well explored because this is what makes the incest fetish so thrilling.

 

[MajesticPepe]

Looking forward for the previews.

 

[Phil9999]

For me, even with the game being lighthearted we still need some sense of taboo, of danger, of immorality, otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of the incest fetish. I agree that the thought of impregnation itself is probably more alluring than the image of a woman with a big belly. I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter where the dev wants the game to go, I hope that the sense of taboo is well explored because this is what makes the incest fetish so thrilling.

I think this is a good point. I didn't really realize the why until reading your post, but some of the games I play where it seems like everyone's openly having sex with everyone or the whole family is actively grabbing MC's cock at the dinner table taking turns, it loses some of its luster. A cool twist I've seen is in A Town Uncovered where after you do the full mom route, you start seeing the mom and daughter together (but not in an obvious way, you don't actually catch them for a bunch of scenes, think like you see the daughter sleeping in the mom's lap during movie night but then after MC walks away it was something more) and it's like a reverse taboo thing even though you're already fucking the mom.