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Bumping this, as I'd like to get some more feedback from the community before a decision is made.
- May 28, 2017
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I really like this as an opt-in option! It would be super cool to see what games other members are supporting. But as someone who has been blocked on Patreon by two developers now for sharing on this site, I feel like I'd rather not advertise who I'm supporting, if that makes sense...? I feel like it makes me a target... I'm hoping there are many members more experienced than I am that can help show why this isn't an issue
- Nov 10, 2017
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This is great. It will be like achievements for patreon... <-- this is sarcasm.
I can already see many people just subbing for a second to get a badge and then removing pledge... haha, not really though. XD
It in reality can have this effect:
People will pledge to gain a badge. Can't assume it's a planned outcome, but it will have a huge chance of being a thing. Mostly because it's a thing already known in marketing to get extra money out of things.
Personally do not like this idea due to this. And before anyone says: no one is forcing anyone to anything. Well, neither is anyone forcing people to get money for lootboxes or fall for microtransactions. Things like that are designed in certain way because of how people tend to behave.
Again, not saying it's planned, but the outcome is still there.
I can already see many people just subbing for a second to get a badge and then removing pledge... haha, not really though. XD
It in reality can have this effect:
People will pledge to gain a badge. Can't assume it's a planned outcome, but it will have a huge chance of being a thing. Mostly because it's a thing already known in marketing to get extra money out of things.
Personally do not like this idea due to this. And before anyone says: no one is forcing anyone to anything. Well, neither is anyone forcing people to get money for lootboxes or fall for microtransactions. Things like that are designed in certain way because of how people tend to behave.
Again, not saying it's planned, but the outcome is still there.
Anyone else completely shocked that Yoshi of all people doesn't like something for an arbitrary reason he made up?
- Dec 22, 2016
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The badge is only displayed for active pledges. Once a pledge is cancelled, the badge is automatically removed.
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It's not arbitrary. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't make them incorrect.
Reasoning is not taken out of ass, it's based on actual method of doing things. My concern is not based on trashing the idea, but on the fact some people won't help themselves. Vulnerable people that easily fall for things like that. That's how it's basically working and often used.
However, to give something and not just point an issue - It's not as effective when seen only on profile (marketing wise, still in effect), so that's one way. I would actually want Sam to respond to this concern as by his own words, vulnerable people need protection from things.
I know, already pointed it out. Again this is really close to idea of getting people to pledge to gain a badge. Some people will do it just to get it. If we remove intentions, good or bad, it does fall under praying on vulnerable people wanting things. I hope you see an issue with it.
Again, "No one forces anyone to do anything" is not an argument for kind of folks I am talking about.
If this isn't arbitrary I don't know what is. It's not preying on people to get them to pay for a product they enjoy. Yes, the badge is a new selling point. It is not preying on adults with minds of their own to offer them a product in the form of a game to play and perks, like being able to show off your support. But you just need a reason to "not like" everything, so you chose this semantic bullshit that removes agency and critical thinking skills from humanity to support your nihilistic... no, I won't even give you that, at least nihilists accept that the reason they hate things is because things are pointless, you just don't like things because you thrive on feeling like you're superior.
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That's the same with anything in the world. People get 'badges' on their profile on Patreon.com by pledging to creators, all we're doing is showing the same information which is freely available on public Patreon profiles here. A 30px badge is no different to other incentives like unique roles/colors on Discord for reward tiers, or 'Donor' status on the forum, or any other kind of reward based system.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
I honestly can not follow that logic. What makes people on this sites automatically vulnerable? They are all above the age of 18 (hopefully) and we can only judge them as responsible adults.
Also, your logic could apply to anything in life in which you pay/donate to receive something back.
I'm happy about this. It gives the people who pledge the devs something for their support and it also gives the devs something back in a form of pr and spreading around their work.
It's a win-win. It's optional and I don't see this as the same as microtransaction in which majority are kids and the gain is different.
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The public of F95zone are adults free to use their money as they see fit, I don't see any problem with showing off badges for the active support of games. In fact if people pledge to get the badge, it's a good thing because the money goes to games people like, instead of covering deficits due to low sales for the likes of EA.
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Hmmm I like the idea and would definatly use it.
Just curious though is it possible to display the Supported like you intended and in profile get the Followed that way can show developers you not supporting yet but are watching. That way the ones can kinda share there supports and follows....I support 3 but i follow 12. Just wondering.
Having access to both may make more ppl interested in the concept.
Just curious though is it possible to display the Supported like you intended and in profile get the Followed that way can show developers you not supporting yet but are watching. That way the ones can kinda share there supports and follows....I support 3 but i follow 12. Just wondering.
Having access to both may make more ppl interested in the concept.
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i like oiz's idea the most to be honest. just keep it to the profile page and be done with it. having that patreon badge right next to a post makes the post look more valuable than posts from non patreon supports in certain threads. that could lead (maybe; just loud thinking) to a two class system and that's not a good thing to have. even though non patreons can post same quality posts, some might see more reason in patreon pladger's posts than they would without those pladges. i would compare it a bit with the effect of a doctor's white coat. people trust that guy who is wearing that outfit, but at the end a white coat alone doesn't make you a doctor, right?
those are ofc. just some hyptothecial thoughts.
those are ofc. just some hyptothecial thoughts.
Valid, but it's not like the accusation of "you aren't even a patron, so who are you to talk" is already commonplace. It has been stated many times that such accusations, and the accompanying uncivil behavior is not tolerated currently, and will not be tolerated later.
As a dev, the fact that people on this site aren't my patrons, more often than not, has no bearing on how I address their concerns. If the concern is about how they don't like the game thematically, or are against a central fetish or something, I'll ignore or politely inform them that that will not be changing, regardless of whether or not they're paying me. If that concern is about some actual failure in the code, mistakes in my writing, areas I was a little weak about (for instance the somewhat tacked on feeling people got from my prologue), then I listen to and try to take those into account. What I'm looking for is constructive feedback. Sometimes its better to tell me why you think my game sucks than it is for me to hear why you love it, though that's always appreciated, and so I tend to, as long as it's reasonable, consider everyone's comments on my game's thread.
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i and we thank you for sharingI really like this as an opt-in option! It would be super cool to see what games other members are supporting. But as someone who has been blocked on Patreon by two developers now for sharing on this site, I feel like I'd rather not advertise who I'm supporting, if that makes sense...? I feel like it makes me a target... I'm hoping there are many members more experienced than I am that can help show why this isn't an issue
,as my above post those who want to show can those that share quietly should be held in high esteem and rewarded(maybe a like bonus from mods and not 1 or 2 but 200,300 ect or a special tag to show that you make this site what it is.)also when devs ban you let us know who they are and boycott them on f95-they need us more than we need them.name and shame them
- Nov 20, 2017
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The only risk that I see is that some dev could ban their patreons. Not even because of the same username, but if you support more devs, then a matching could becomes easy.
But I think, the positive aspect outweight this issue.
I would go for the badge with the detail information on the profil page. Thus it is not plain obvious how support how and perhaps it helps to avoid additional "you're (not) a patreon....." crap. Also the dev badge doesn't say which game(s) a developed, so they would used the "same" style.
Only *loud thinking*: If this will be installed, could we have some "report" function for "I displayed I'm patreon vom dev Y, now dev Y has banned me"? I don't want to pelt some shit on it, only that other patreons of the same dev could be informed.
But I think, the positive aspect outweight this issue.
I would go for the badge with the detail information on the profil page. Thus it is not plain obvious how support how and perhaps it helps to avoid additional "you're (not) a patreon....." crap. Also the dev badge doesn't say which game(s) a developed, so they would used the "same" style.
Only *loud thinking*: If this will be installed, could we have some "report" function for "I displayed I'm patreon vom dev Y, now dev Y has banned me"? I don't want to pelt some shit on it, only that other patreons of the same dev could be informed.
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I'm not sure about this one, very split. On the upside it encourages more patronage which is fantastic, provides a clearer picture on who is being supported and there is Sam's argument that there already is a reward system. On the downside it's the same fundamental problem as why alot of schools outside of the united states have set school uniforms, to avoid the establishment of class systems on the basis of their parent's incomes and ability to buy the most expensive clothes, this information would extend that reward system and possibly become the focus of class difference on the forums(I know its fucking bizarre to be talking about marxist and class principles on a porn focused game forum but the analogy does fit the issue with perfection) I also see it's people who already donate that love this idea.. then there is the directly above mentioned issue with this system working as a disincentive for patreons to release games to the forum. I'm split leaning towards a no.
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I see your point, but I have another standpoint.
For the whole badge system this forum have it could go with the same "bitching". E.g. you don't have donate to F95, so who cares about you?! Same for, probable, all the banner that exist - Ok, if someone is bitching against a mod or staff, then it's their own pitfall.
I think as long as the amount someone spend on patreon doesn't show her, it wouldn't be that bad. Have 1 or 20 devs you support, doesn't say something about the money you spend on then (could be 1*50$ or 20*1$).
If it's help a dev to have more patreons, I doubt. But it would shows the devs that this site is more than simple shairing their game witout anything in return. Thus could help that some of them are more open about this place and don't think every comment from a F95 user has nothing to do with his backers.
Of course never every dev on Patreon would be here and be happy about this site, but I think some of the devs don't give this place the credits that it should have. Am I a ridiculous pirate? Maybe?
What I think is that this place hold over a million possible paying consumers. Even if a dev "only" "attract" 1000 more supporters on the lowest tiers, that would be a lot for some of them.So overall I see this as an "commercial" like the featured game list.
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There is a difference in donating to these forums and being someone who donates to the focus of these forums. I believe the latter would be held in far higher regard but it's pure speculation, this system might be implemented and work out beautifully. I don't know, hence the split. You raise an aspect I hadn't considered with the greater respect this forum would get by the developers and that would definitely fall into the pros column.I see your point, but I have another standpoint.
For the whole badge system this forum have it could go with the same "bitching". E.g. you don't have donate to F95, so who cares about you?! Same for, probable, all the banner that exist - Ok, if someone is bitching against a mod or staff, then it is he's own pitfall.
I think as long as the amount someone spend on patreon doesn't show her, it wouldn't be that bad. Have 1 or 20 devs you support, doesn't say something about the money you spend on then (could be 1*50$ or 20*1$).
If it's help a dev to have more patreons, I doubt. But it would shows the devs that this site is more than simple shairing their game witout anything in return. Thus could help that some of them are more open about this place and don't think every comment from a F95 user has nothing to do with his backers.
Of course never every dev on Patreon would be here and be happy about this site, but I think some of the devs don't give this place the credits that it should have. Am I a ridiculous pirate? Maybe?
So overall I see this as an "commercial" like the featured game list.
