Game devs and their toxic relationship with patreon

[Chaos La Croix]

Am I the only person who feels like far too many devs are completely willing to just bend their game over and let patreon fuck it nice'n'hard and ruin the bloody thing? Im getting sick of it personally. Seriously if you're a dev purely for money or just give up at the first hurtle and change a bunch of shit about it you shouldnt make games. There's WAY more options than patreon anyway. Subscribestar sucks almost as bad lately but either way making a game like this all but solo shouldnt be a main source of income it should be a passion project. The best example of that I can think of is the twisted world dev. They're completely changing their game. Do I hate it? And will I ever play it again? Fuck yes and fuck no, but at least they're not doing it to suck patreon dick. They're doing it because they were unsatisfied with their work. I just wish devs had a spine ffs. It just depresses me because a lot of H-games actually have a damn interesting story even if its lewd.

 

[Gone405]

Just my own 2 cents but I just think some of the devs lose track of the passion (if it ever existed to begin with) because it's easy money to give peeps what they want even if it goes against what you were doing originally. You're right tho devs need to stick to their guns and the OG vision they want to make. Don't easily give to greed.

 

[morphnet]

Am I the only person who feels like far too many devs are completely willing to just bend their game over and let patreon fuck it nice'n'hard and ruin the bloody thing? Im getting sick of it personally. Seriously if you're a dev purely for money or just give up at the first hurtle and change a bunch of shit about it you shouldnt make games. There's WAY more options than patreon anyway. Subscribestar sucks almost as bad lately but either way making a game like this all but solo shouldnt be a main source of income it should be a passion project. The best example of that I can think of is the twisted world dev. They're completely changing their game. Do I hate it? And will I ever play it again? Fuck yes and fuck no, but at least they're not doing it to suck patreon dick. They're doing it because they were unsatisfied with their work. I just wish devs had a spine ffs. It just depresses me because a lot of H-games actually have a damn interesting story even if its lewd.

No wonder you're depressed, most of your facts are wrong, you clearly don't have a grasp of the situation and you don't seem to have the first clue how much the games YOU are PIRATING cost dev's in both time and money to make.

Maybe instead of making threads you could use your time on the internet more wisely and actually find out what the ACTUAL facts are with regards to patreon and how much time and cost is ACTUALLY involved in making games....

 

[Destroy08xx]

Chaos La Croix These sites tend to censor threads. Consider making a documented list with proof to share with others. The video game industry is corrupt after all.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

No wonder you're depressed, most of your facts are wrong, you clearly don't have a grasp of the situation and you don't seem to have the first clue how much the games YOU are PIRATING cost dev's in both time and money to make.

Maybe instead of making threads you could use your time on the internet more wisely and actually find out what the ACTUAL facts are with regards to patreon and how much time and cost is ACTUALLY involved in making games....

Yeah no. You obviously didnt read anything I said. Begone.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

Chaos La Croix These sites tend to censor threads. Consider making a documented list with proof to share with others. The video game industry is corrupt after all.

Im bloody tempted to be honest. Legitimately too many to count though. It'd take way too long for it to be of any worth to anyone.

 

[NeonSelf]

There is censorship even on pirate sites like this one, what do you expect from patreon that has to operate legally?

Every game was cut down or changed to fit some local rules, subscribers demands, devs abilities etc. There is not a single game that actually represents what dev wanted originally. Well, maybe tetris is the exception.

Also, people need money to survive: to buy food, pay rent, upgrade their PC's... Asking devs to make games for free is just dumb. Even if they want to make game free for everyone, they need some sort of income. That means, they will have to work on a regular job, cutting down development time to just a few hours a week. That means insanely long time for initial release and updates.

 

[Goeffel]

to answer the question: yes.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

There is censorship even on pirate sites like this one, what do you expect from patreon that has to operate legally?

Every game was cut down or changed to fit some local rules, subscribers demands, devs abilities etc. There is not a single game that actually represents what dev wanted originally. Well, maybe tetris is the exception.

Also, people need money to survive: to buy food, pay rent, upgrade their PC's... Asking devs to make games for free is just dumb. Even if they want to make game free for everyone, they need some sort of income. That means, they will have to work on a regular job, cutting down development time to just a few hours a week. That means insanely long time for initial release and updates.

Monster girl quest, Lab Rats, as far as I know MonsterGirlDreams. Moving on to normal games you have terraria, stardew valley, enter the gungeon, I imagine dredges dev team is happy with it, Sand land. All of them are very likely to be happy with their games. I can keep going for both H-games and normal ones but ive made my point. Censorship only serves to hurt the creative flow of the dev and everyone involved. Self censorship as a result is not only sad but pathetic. And as for the comment about long wait times. Fair enough. But (assuming he actually said it) as that twat Miyamoto said. A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad

 

[Destroy08xx]

There is censorship even on pirate sites like this one, what do you expect from patreon that has to operate legally?

Every game was cut down or changed to fit some local rules, subscribers demands, devs abilities etc. There is not a single game that actually represents what dev wanted originally. Well, maybe tetris is the exception.

Also, people need money to survive: to buy food, pay rent, upgrade their PC's... Asking devs to make games for free is just dumb. Even if they want to make game free for everyone, they need some sort of income. That means, they will have to work on a regular job, cutting down development time to just a few hours a week. That means insanely long time for initial release and updates.

But there are games that free. There are hobby game devs out there and some people who just want to create a game for the fun of it. Why are saying it like it never happens?

 

[peterppp]

another spoiled brat who wants things for free. get a job

 

[Chaos La Croix]

another spoiled brat who wants things for free. get a job

See thats funny. I never once claimed I want things for free nor did I say artists should give their work out for free. I said it shouldnt be their main source of income. I said they shouldnt bend the knee to the company forcing them to change their art in ways they dont like.


If I really wanted to I could lower myself to your level and start throwing out names but given that you were trying to put words in my mouth on top of attempting to undermine my point I dont think you deserve even that.

 

[peterppp]

See thats funny. I never once claimed I want things for free nor did I say artists should give their work out for free. I said it shouldnt be their main source of income. I said they shouldnt bend the knee to the company forcing them to change their art in ways they dont like.


If I really wanted to I could lower myself to your level and start throwing out names but given that you were trying to put words in my mouth on top of attempting to undermine my point I dont think you deserve even that.

why should any dev care what you say? make your own game, then you can add whatever you want. but no you want others to do things for you. that's the spoiled brat mentality. get a job.

 

[NeonSelf]

Monster girl quest, Lab Rats, as far as I know MonsterGirlDreams. Moving on to normal games you have terraria, stardew valley, enter the gungeon, I imagine dredges dev team is happy with it, Sand land. All of them are very likely to be happy with their games. I can keep going for both H-games and normal ones but ive made my point. Censorship only serves to hurt the creative flow of the dev and everyone involved. Self censorship as a result is not only sad but pathetic. And as for the comment about long wait times. Fair enough. But (assuming he actually said it) as that twat Miyamoto said. A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad

Have you seen documentary, how stardew valley was made? The guy was developing it for five years, while his girlfried had to work and pay for both of them.

Self-censorhip is more common than you think. What if someone of your relatives\colleagues sees your work? Would you risk ruining your marriage\career for an H-scene with a dog or child? People got cancelled for just mentioning some topics in social media.

 

[morphnet]

Yeah no. You obviously didnt read anything I said. Begone.

Am I the only person who feels like far too many devs are completely willing to just bend their game over and let patreon fuck it nice'n'hard and ruin the bloody thing?

No, some others feel that way but those that do don't bother to find out what the real situation is.....

Im getting sick of it personally. Seriously if you're a dev purely for money or just give up at the first hurtle and change a bunch of shit about it you shouldnt make games.

Why not? what makes your opinion more important than those who enjoy those games, even the abandoned ones?

There's WAY more options than patreon anyway.

There are and they all have the same rules, some dev's got away with banned content on patreon but many are now being caught, are you seriously surgesting that dev's breaking the rules on others platform just because less have been caught so far? and just so you can get the content you want?

Subscribestar sucks almost as bad lately but either way making a game like this all but solo shouldnt be a main source of income it should be a passion project.

So in other words, you don't care about what happens to the dev's, they shouldn't make a living off their game, they should just shut up, knuckle down and make the content you want?

there's a few words describing that attitude....

The best example of that I can think of is the twisted world dev. They're completely changing their game. Do I hate it? And will I ever play it again? Fuck yes and fuck no, but at least they're not doing it to suck patreon dick.

...and by "suck patreons dick" you mean follow the rules that have been in place for years?

I just wish devs had a spine ffs.

Translation, you wish more dev's would break the rules, rules again, which have been in place for years, all so that you can get what you want?

I said they shouldnt bend the knee to the company forcing them to change their art in ways they dont like.

Patreon isn't forcing them to do anything, if they are not willing / able to follow the rules they should not have signed up with that service in the first place.

This is NOT something new that patreon is springing on everyone out of the blue in the last year or two. You really shoulkd get your facts straight....

If I really wanted to I could lower myself to your level and start throwing out names but given that you were trying to put words in my mouth on top of attempting to undermine my point I dont think you deserve even that.

Considering you felt the need to edit your post AND the way you worded it, original or edited versions.... the phrase "if the shoe fits" is perfect here.

Patreon is doing what it must to protect it's business and keep it's doors open. It is first and foremost a service, NOT an adult service, it just happens to allow some adult content too.

You expect more effort, little to no compensation from dev's and yet are unwilling to put in the tiniest effort to find out what the actual situation is...

Your "dev's should ONLY make their games as passion projects and not change them in a way YOU don't like" "opinion" can only be described as that of an entitled child throwing a tantrum.

 

[Geigi]

Patreon:

 

[ScrewMe]

Am I the only person who feels like far too many devs are completely willing to just bend their game over and let patreon fuck it nice'n'hard and ruin the bloody thing? Im getting sick of it personally. Seriously if you're a dev purely for money or just give up at the first hurtle and change a bunch of shit about it you shouldnt make games. There's WAY more options than patreon anyway. Subscribestar sucks almost as bad lately but either way making a game like this all but solo shouldnt be a main source of income it should be a passion project. The best example of that I can think of is the twisted world dev. They're completely changing their game. Do I hate it? And will I ever play it again? Fuck yes and fuck no, but at least they're not doing it to suck patreon dick. They're doing it because they were unsatisfied with their work. I just wish devs had a spine ffs. It just depresses me because a lot of H-games actually have a damn interesting story even if its lewd.

First of all, making the game out of passion is cool, but the man's gotta eat something.
Trust me, working on game development as a hobby in between workdays simply means getting an update once a year - DamagedCoda's The Office is a good example of that.
And to give you timely update with 30+ minutes of content takes more than 2 hours in the evening.

Let me give you an example of a regular workflow, if dev got his shit together, more or less:
You write script for scene 1. Then you create and render stuff for that scene. While that thing is getting rendered, you write script for scene 2. While stuff for s1 still keeps rendering, you may fix something in original script - choose wording and make some changes here and there.
Okay, you have written the script for these 10 scenes and rendered everything? Here comes the fun part with working on your renders in PS - you remove some artifacts, adjust color and brightness etc etc.
Then you start coding. It takes time too, especially if you have choices/your game is not linear and you don't want to have the generic Ren'Py/Whatever engine you use interface.
Okay, done? Now there 100% will be things that will come out worse than you expected - the render for some quote isn't as good as you expected, this thing here doesn't work etc.
Adding to that: it's one thing to have a 4090 and two PC's, where one is for rendering and second one is for everything else, but it's totally different thing when all you have is laptop with 6 GB VRAM.
Doing all that while having IRL job takes it to another level.
Of course there are morons who just see this as a cash grab and do scams, but come on... It's not "45 minutes a day when you're in the mood" AT ALL.

SubscribeStar is cool and all, but I'll use myself as an example. I'm waiting to be verified for week and a half already. Some people wait for years. To lose possible income for a year just so that Jerry from Ohio would get himself off to "I fucked Mom"? C'mon.

And if you don't have an established fanbase - you simply have no other options.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

Have you seen documentary, how stardew valley was made? The guy was developing it for five years, while his girlfried had to work and pay for both of them.

Self-censorhip is more common than you think. What if someone of your relatives\colleagues sees your work? Would you risk ruining your marriage\career for an H-scene with a dog or child? People got cancelled for just mentioning some topics in social media.

With what little respect to people this has happened to is due if someone is enough of a coward to be afraid of being canceled they dont need to be making games or for that matter art of any kind. Art is about freedom of expression. Same can be said for games. As for Concerned apes girlfriend needing to pay their way I stand by what I said. His game is massively successful with an almost painfully defensive fanbase that practically grew overnight. If he isnt happy with it thats just depressing.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

First of all, making the game out of passion is cool, but the man's gotta eat something.
Trust me, working on game development as a hobby in between workdays simply means getting an update once a year - DamagedCoda's The Office is a good example of that.
And to give you timely update with 30+ minutes of content takes more than 2 hours in the evening.

Let me give you an example of a regular workflow, if dev got his shit together, more or less:
You write script for scene 1. Then you create and render stuff for that scene. While that thing is getting rendered, you write script for scene 2. While stuff for s1 still keeps rendering, you may fix something in original script - choose wording and make some changes here and there.
Okay, you have written the script for these 10 scenes and rendered everything? Here comes the fun part with working on your renders in PS - you remove some artifacts, adjust color and brightness etc etc.
Then you start coding. It takes time too, especially if you have choices/your game is not linear and you don't want to have the generic Ren'Py/Whatever engine you use interface.
Okay, done? Now there 100% will be things that will come out worse than you expected - the render for some quote isn't as good as you expected, this thing here doesn't work etc.
Adding to that: it's one thing to have a 4090 and two PC's, where one is for rendering and second one is for everything else, but it's totally different thing when all you have is laptop with 6 GB VRAM.
Doing all that while having IRL job takes it to another level.
Of course there are morons who just see this as a cash grab and do scams, but come on... It's not "45 minutes a day when you're in the mood" AT ALL.

SubscribeStar is cool and all, but I'll use myself as an example. I'm waiting to be verified for week and a half already. Some people wait for years. To lose possible income for a year just so that Jerry from Ohio would get himself off to "I fucked Mom"? C'mon.

And if you don't have an established fanbase - you simply have no other options.

I stand by my point of "It should not be your main source of income." As for people who see THAT as cash grab level efforts well they're twats. I personally am an unpleasant asshole most of the time but if a game dev I liked just came out and said his options were either to for some reason of the day censor their work so they can use patreon to make it their full time job OR take their time and do all that I'd say take your damn time. Not saying this is you but compromising your art for the sake of money to me means you just dont give a shit about your art.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

why should any dev care what you say? make your own game, then you can add whatever you want. but no you want others to do things for you. that's the spoiled brat mentality. get a job.

I can tell you're well loved. Christ im abrasive but damn man. If thats how you feel then why should I care what you say? Get a life and enjoy your meal whenever you kiss patreons ass.