Get the fuck outta here with your stupid dream sequences.

[Adabelitoo]

you want your player to get immersed in your game, these sorts of things matter.

You're looking for that, and I'm looking for that so I can sympathize with you, but don't forget that we are in a forum where the most repeated comment is "save please".

Most people are okay with a fap-fest game so the "lol, none of it is real, it's a game," argument becomes valid because they don't want what you and I want. Not to mention that not all devs want to make their players feel so immersed and that decision is entirely up to the dev.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I much prefer not dream sequence than dream sequence, but if not overused and with an actual meaning/idea behind them, they can be a good way to move the plot forward. If Harold never had feelings for Stacy, his neighboor/childhood friend, and he suddenly has a dream with her and he starts thinking "Hey wait, do I love her?" and he changes his attitude after that, I'll think the dream scene was completely justified.

+1
The same game can also be used as "wait, she was flirting with me" revelation, that here again would change MC's attitude. As any other scenes, it have to be meaningful to the story ; at least to the eyes of the writer and a parts of the players, since the definition of "meaningful" partly depend of the player.

What is effectively bad, and too often used in the past, is when dreams are here to compensate the lack of effective sex in the early updates. It's worse than the Li slutty friend that lend you her pussy the time you achieve to seduce her. Assume your choices, and release updates without sex if the story is designed that way.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[sorry for the double post]

What if the MC is a shy guy who daydreams all the time? or he has met this wonderful and sexy girl in the cafeteria and dreams about her in the night?

Said otherwise: what it the MC is a 16-18yo guy, virgin or not, like all the other 16-18yo guys ?

That the guy who, when he was 16-18yo, never daydreamed that he was fucking the girl in front of him throw me the first keyboard.

 

[Banality]

but let's be honest: most of the MCs are pathetic losers who won't even get near to a pussy. And that goes for Cucks (NTR) and Harem Protags as well. Screaming for "Reality" in those hopeless cases aka Powerdick-Fantasies is really amusing. If you're honest "Dream Sequences" are the most believable way those omega-males (and yes... most harem protags are in there as well) get sex at all. But that are only my thoughts

 

[lemonfreak]

So, in the OP's scenario, Harold wants to have sex with Stacy but since Stacy isn't the town bike (everyone gets a ride) because, presumably, ntr I have to play through what sounds like a pretty bland boy meets girl story just to get to the (not very) interesting bit where Harold and Stacy have bland, unimaginative sex in the exact same 3 positions every other dev uses. Whoopdee- MOTHERFUCKING-doo

Alternatively, Harold could imagine what his and Stacy's first time together would be like and we, get something to fap to while we wait for the real event which, and here's the beauty, could be completely different to the previously dreamt scenario. Harold might dream of a romantic first time together in a hotel room (brief mutual oral, missionary to doggy to cowgirl before she finishes him onto his stomach with her hand, yawn) but maybe it turns out that she's a commited buttslut, maybe she's a futa maybe she's 1 of 4 identical quadruplets who do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, together

When you play an adult game, everything is fake, there are no real life scenarios; even games with real porn recontextualise those scenes in order to create something new. Has the OP ever masturbated while imagining sex with someone they haven't actually had sex with (or at least in a way that they haven't before, it must be scary to tell the missus you want her to peg you with a 16" horse cock, let alone reveal that you've already bought the necessary equipment)?

TLDR, all sex in porn is fake

 

[Meaning Less]

Screaming for "Reality" in those hopeless cases aka Powerdick-Fantasies is really amusing.

TLDR, all sex in porn is fake

You guys can't just start calling out virgin chads like that, they have a virtual reputation to maintain.

 

[lemonfreak]

You guys can't just start calling out virgin chads like that, they have a virtual reputation to maintain.

You jest but, actually, the moment I realised that I didn't need to maintain a persona, irl or online, was the moment I learnt how to be happy

 

[Banality]

You guys can't just start calling out virgin chads like that, they have a virtual reputation to maintain.

sorry bout that ^^

 

[Catapo]

To answer the original post, I don't have strong feelings about dream sequences one way or another.

It's just not "real" when there's no agency from the other party involved and it has no consequences or meaning

This is an interesting point, so hear me out for a second.

What if Stacy were some kind of manipulative devil that infiltrates men's dreams.
A wink and a smile IRL plus a few dirty dreams is all she needs to have a harem of losers that would do anything for her, without having to actually dirty herself.
Thus the entire story would rely on dream sequences for sex and there would be agency and meaning.

 

[Alcahest]

That's right. If you're a developer of a game, DON'T add sex dream sequences. All the sexual scenarios in the game should be presented as actually happening, not a dream sequence. The fact that the dream represents an event that hasn't happened is a TURN OFF.

What if they are not necessarily supposed to be a turn on? I'm very anti-dream as a player and tv/movie watcher, sex scenes or not. Every time a dream sequence starts, I feel bored and want it to end as soon as possible. But even so, I have included, so far, 3 dream sequences in my current game, or rather nightmares. 2 with (horror) sex (not directly involving the mc or any persons the mc knows). Some people will get turned on by this fantasy horror sex, some will definitely get turned off (jump scares and bugs), but it's there for story and horror atmosphere purposes. Had I been a player, playing my own game, I still might not have liked it, who knows, but as a dev I know it's there for reasons.

Other devs can also have reasons that might not be specifically to turn people on even if the sex scene is "hot", but for things having to do with the story. As players, we might not like it, I will probably dislike it, but it could still be better in the long run, at least if we want to see the vision the dev has. However, if the sex dream's only purpose is for the dev to have an early sex scene because the game is a slow burner, then it's a no for me. If it includes girls you're gonna have sex with later, it's a big no from me.

 

[Asia Argento]

Love and Sex Second Base did this with a character and for me, it created intrigue. I was teased. "Who the fuck is that and when can I do that IN GAME?" This concept feels like a relative of anti-NTR complaining. Just ignore and be done. It's not that deep.

I guess my approval of succubi has alot to do with my appreciation for it. IDK.

I feel divisive fetishes should ALL have an option to decline, like netorare for example.

 

[khumak]

That's right. If you're a developer of a game, DON'T add sex dream sequences. All the sexual scenarios in the game should be presented as actually happening, not a dream sequence. The fact that the dream represents an event that hasn't happened is a TURN OFF.

Let's say the main protagonist's name is Harold. Harold likes a character named Stacy. You don't need to show a dream sequence of Harold fucking Stacy. Get that stupid idea out of your head. Just having Harold seduce her like normal, with some teasing here and there.

Sorry, I had to vent. These stupid dream sequences have ruined so many games. Tired of it.

REPEAT THIS TO YOURSELF: "Dream sequences are not happening, and if they're not actually happening, then it's NOT a turn on".

A sex dream sequence basically means you're a lazy developer who cant' come up with something creative or original. DON'T DO IT. FIGHT THE URGE. DON'T DO IT. You know what would be better? JUST BE HONEST with your patreons and tell them you're out of ideas. Your patreons will be gladly to help you out of your creativity slump.

EDIT: I'm an old guy. I come from an old generation of tough love, in your face kind of arguments, with the hopes of finding a solution through rigorous debate. Today's generation doesn't understand the concept of learning through opposition. So if this post upsets you, don't get upset, it's only meant to come on strong in the hopes of stirring up a no holds barred debate, to fix the problem.

I completely disagree. Sex dreams are a great way to add a bit of spice to the game that isn't justified to be happening for real yet, especially for the more conservative characters. I don't think the primary focus should be on dreams, but for some characters it's a nice way to add a little anticipation for something that's not going to happen in the story for a long time., if ever.

For instance let's say the main character still lives at home with his parents and one night he has his girlfriend over. His mom is doing laundry and doesn't know the girlfriend is there so she quietly opens the door to MC's room to look for laundry to find MC getting his dick sucked by the girlfriend. Both of them are facing away from the door so she just freezes and watches the whole thing.

Next day mom is acting pretty strange and MC can't get her to tell him what the problem is. One of her friends comes over and he listens in when he sees them talking. Mom confesses that she walked in on MC getting a blowjob and now she can't help but picture that every time she looks at him. To make matters worse, she had a sex dream about him that night. Her friend of course demands to hear all the juicy details which mom provides. Flashback to mom's sex dream.

This is not your typical conquest. It's his mom. He won't be doing that for a long time if ever but now you have a hot scene to think about between those 2 characters which can affect both of them to whatever degree you want it to.

Now if it's just a regular conquest then yeah, I don't see much point in a bunch of dream sequences. But for a character that is going to be a difficult or impossible conquest I do think it adds considerable value.

Or if incest isn't your thing, here's another scenario. MC starts the game as a scrawny nerd and early in the game he sneaks into the girl's locker room at school and watches the head cheerleader taking a very long shower, happy ending included. That night he has a sex dream about her. This being an adult game, he probably will get to fuck her for real eventually, but not until he is no longer a scrawny nerd, which will take a long time to fix. Now he has a nice visual of his endgame goal.

 

[DuniX]

The Dream Sequences are for when a developer realizes that their Porn Game isn't going to have any Porn in it for the next 2 years so they can't cash in on that sweet, sweet Patreon money and fund their delusions of being a author that thinks the garbage they are spewing is worth reading.

If you want to write a novel you should be able to do that with a decent pacing per update that is worth a read. But that necessitates cutting the bullshit "Renderings" that anne O'nymous seems to think are "cinematic" and thinks a "VN" is a "movie" with "directors".

 

[danarchist_lewd]

Yeah, the L+S:SB one works, for me.

There's also a game... I forget the name, the one where you're a therapist and you're helping a Beth Harmon-type, where you're having sexual dreams about a woman from your past. That one works pretty well because they actually help develop the main character.

idk, I think if it's told well it works for me. What doesn't work to me is when it's added in because the developer paced their sexual content poorly, mostly because they don't usually do enough to develop character, plot, or setting.

 

[ThorinKing]

That's right. If you're a developer of a game, DON'T add sex dream sequences. All the sexual scenarios in the game should be presented as actually happening, not a dream sequence. The fact that the dream represents an event that hasn't happened is a TURN OFF.

Let's say the main protagonist's name is Harold. Harold likes a character named Stacy. You don't need to show a dream sequence of Harold fucking Stacy. Get that stupid idea out of your head. Just having Harold seduce her like normal, with some teasing here and there.

Sorry, I had to vent. These stupid dream sequences have ruined so many games. Tired of it.

REPEAT THIS TO YOURSELF: "Dream sequences are not happening, and if they're not actually happening, then it's NOT a turn on".

A sex dream sequence basically means you're a lazy developer who cant' come up with something creative or original. DON'T DO IT. FIGHT THE URGE. DON'T DO IT. You know what would be better? JUST BE HONEST with your patreons and tell them you're out of ideas. Your patreons will be gladly to help you out of your creativity slump.

EDIT: I'm an old guy. I come from an old generation of tough love, in your face kind of arguments, with the hopes of finding a solution through rigorous debate. Today's generation doesn't understand the concept of learning through opposition. So if this post upsets you, don't get upset, it's only meant to come on strong in the hopes of stirring up a no holds barred debate, to fix the problem.

I never knew this thread existed until someone pointed it out.

I'm probably as old as, or older, than you. Your edit is what "forthright" folks called themselves; the rest of us just acknowledged they were the southern end of the alimentary canal.

 

[VegitoHlove]

I missed this moment of hakarlman spazzing out, but there'll be more I bet.