Getting Things in the Works

Continue with TK17 or Find something new?

  • Yes TK17 is fine.

    Votes: 8 88.9%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Find a Different Art Program

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Hand Draw stuff if you can

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Yes, Can't wait to find out more

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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hentaifan0116

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Hello,

I've been a big fan of VNorth's Second Happiness, Beggar of Net's New Life, and Dark Cookie's Summer Time Saga. I also went for game design and have yet to find satisfaction in a work environment, so I finally decided to start the process of developing a fun time naughty game.

I want to press for a Late August Early October Alpha Release. I've got the Mechanics, Characters and Story in the works. I plan on being lazy and using a modded TK17 to produce my images and videos for the piece and it will probably be done in Unity as I am most familiar with that program.

Also I'm stuck for a name of the game? Haha maybe it will come to me later.

Here is a Preview of a Sister Model I've been working on.
 

Corrupted

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Having started myself hand-drawing assets for my idea of a (very different) kind of incest game, I can tell you it is a bitch, especially if you can't draw (like me) as it means not only are you now making shitty art, you're also creating it very slowly.

But in my very humble opinion, it isn't really so much the pictures that people jerk off to in a VN game, it's the feels that a game can invoke, and those are more conveyed through the story, i.e. text. And the pictures are merely a way to enhance the story, i.e. feels. The feels of naughty, forbidden depravity and all that, of defiling something pretty. Making the visual language easy to understand at a glance as you flick through text is what's important, and not having the art medium you are using holding you back.

So in my opinion: Use whatever takes the least effort for you, use whatever is easiest for you to tell a story or a scene with and instead focus on outstanding writing or interesting game mechanics, and getting the fetishes right without taking the player out of the feels. Sister fucking? Great, high 5 over here, but don't do what Summer Time Saga did with the sister and just have the sister be a collection of 15 different fetishes behind a vague tsundere façade. Have her be a realistic, believable if fucked up person with her own motives and desires and fetishes, not a brain dead porn act called "Sister", who's like "Hey bro I have this sex ed home work, can I see your dick? Wow that looks delish, mind if I blow you?" etc. Of course I think Summertime Saga is still fairly brilliant because of its open, player driven nature and its good UI

For example, your sister looks like a gothy-punky kinda girl, right? A punky girl might go "Taboos? Fuck them, fucking my own bro just makes me edgier" and have generally more permissive "Yeah lets talk about masturbation lol" and "Have you even seen a vagina? Look I'll show you mine" hippie-like attitudes, while a gothy girl may be an insecure fashion victim, constantly needing money for the extravagant clothes, and try to offer escalating salacious "deals" to the brother translating into cold hard incestuous prostitution, all while loving the sexual attention even of her brother because of her own underlying superficial insecurities regarding her attractiveness.

Of course, having impressive visuals may make it easier to find sponsors on patreon and such.
 

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hentaifan0116

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For example, your sister looks like a gothy-punky kinda girl, right? A punky girl might go "Taboos? Fuck them, fucking my own bro just makes me edgier" and have generally more permissive "Yeah lets talk about masturbation lol" and "Have you even seen a vagina? Look I'll show you mine" hippie-like attitudes, while a gothy girl may be an insecure fashion victim, constantly needing money for the extravagant clothes, and try to offer escalating salacious "deals" to the brother translating into cold hard incestuous prostitution, all while loving the sexual attention even of her brother because of her own underlying superficial insecurities regarding her attractiveness.
Haha, Yes! you got the look right and the personality spot on too. I don't plan to make things easy or super direct, as the game is going to be mostly dialogue based, choices are going to change characters attraction and influence, it will take time and the right words to win over family members, other characters I plan to put in will be easier conquests, but may also effect how others perceive you. So sure you can go for the sister's friend who is easy and does want you, but then maybe you've blown your chances with the sister.

This sister is goth/punk and going to have some super goth friends and some punk friends, and basically be open about stuff, be very hard to get, very demanding and cynical at times.

Thanks again for the tips. I mean I think I'm a good writer, but we will see how it all goes.
 
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Corrupted

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This sister is goth/punk and going to have some super goth friends and some punk friends, and basically be open about stuff, be very hard to get, very demanding and cynical at times.
A subtle detail that I may not have expressed in sufficient clarity is that those are two very different personalities, and you should pick one of either. Even though teenage girls themselves would disagree, punk and goth are just phases, while the personality changes more slowly. For example, the punky chick is essentially a hippie and was sexualized at an early age and is sexually experienced, has "friends with benefits" and generally not care about fucking her brother as much as caring about fucking a guy she shares a house with and may interfere with her ability to see other guys. Meanwhile the gothy chick may well be a virgin who overcompensates this with the oversexed look, erroneously assuming elaborate clothes that are hard to get in and out of would help her, and her sexual experience is mostly based on a touchless thing, such as watching semi-gay gothy guys make out with each other, and sexual exploration with her would more focus on peeping, getting peeped on, and her engineering situations where she puts on a show for you. The overlap with both characters may have is that both may be somewhat nerdy about their sexuality, i.e. reading educational books about sex and being somewhat more informed about outlandish practices than the average girl of their age.

The point is, pick either. Or make it multiple, different sisters if you're focussing on making it a sister-fucking simulator. But at the same time, you can just make them not related to you. Having the sister be the only character that's hard to get, has a story and everyone else is a turbo slut where you take em out on two dates to get the horniness points up and plow them, is kind of a trapping of the genre, I think.

I'm also a bit worried about
but then maybe you've blown your chances with the sister.
Or the (gothy) sister engineers your sexual encounter with the girl because she wants to fuck you by proxy, watch / listen / peep as you plow the other girl, where the punky girl might get genuinely jealous, figuring "a slut like that" isn't good enough for you and figuring if you want to lose your V-card that badly, you might as well do it with her, and find a quality girlfriend when you're more experienced - Or so she thinks, because the more she is playing the sexual guardian, the more habitual the jealousy and the sexual encounters become, the more she treats you as her only real boyfriend because her other sexual encounters never had as much emotional impact, and you begin guarding her as well like no one else has ever done.

be very hard to get, very demanding and cynical at times
Girls aren't really demanding, what they want most of all is attention, get touched and getting fucked. A femdom-type sister may well be an entirely different, third character again, one that has a serious sadist streak and gets off on manipulating you into doing embarassing things or utterly submit to her beauty, unable to control yourself or maintain dignity in the face of her sheer hotness. Though I think the archetype is overdone and I've never seen it done very well, but then it's simply not my fetish. If that sort of thing appeals to you and you think you can write a compelling character like that, you can try working it into the gothy sister, as her "no touch" sexuality and vanity are more compatible with that, but it is utterly incompatible with the punky, permissive type. But in the case of a very demanding girl, it may well be better to make her something not related to you. Fucking a hard to get girl, femdom type girl that is also your sister will just end up in endless contrivance that gets people out of the "zone", while writing a story about fucking a permissive, lovable hippie sister (with the MC being much more conflicted and shy about it than the sister herself) should be easily doable.

Make it a love triangle between a hopelessly horny but inexperienced MC with a gothy neighbor girl with a fucked up sexuality (initial point of contact may be peeping on each other through the window) and a permissive hippie/punky sister that jealously tries to dissuade you from going after the neighbor girl, seeing as how she leads guys on and on and manipulates them like an evil bitch, and bam, you got the roots for a compelling story where each character has a motivation, and where you can weave in drama and humor and titillation.
 
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hentaifan0116

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I have a lot of characters and mini plots planned out currently.

And I see the point you're driving with punk and goth being separate identity groups, but I've experienced female types with conflicting identities that were very much like this, not a sister mind you but, girlfriends, friends and fuck buddies. They were one thing on the outside, totally different personality internally and struggled with what social group to fit into constantly.

It is all in the why it is portrayed and written up.

And yes demanding is meant to be conveyed as attention seeking.


Make it a love triangle between a hopelessly horny but inexperienced MC with a gothy neighbor girl with a fucked up sexuality (initial point of contact may be peeping on each other through the window) and a permissive hippie/punky sister that jealously tries to dissuade you from going after the neighbor girl, seeing as how she leads guys on and on and manipulates them like an evil bitch, and bam, you got the roots for a compelling story where each character has a motivation, and where you can weave in drama and humor and titillation.
I like where you are going with this, it may not be the exact route I take but it is a solid plot line. I had a similar idea for the younger sister (18) who is just finishing her senior year and she has a slutty, lead on type friend who wants the MC(20) and the punk leaning goth type sister is the MC's fraternal twin.


A femdom-type sister may well be an entirely different, third character again, one that has a serious sadist streak and gets off on manipulating you into doing embarrassing things or utterly submit to her beauty, unable to control yourself or maintain dignity in the face of her sheer hotness. Though I think the archetype is overdone and I've never seen it done very well, but then it's simply not my fetish.
I was leaning this route with the older successful naggy sister, but as you mentioned it is never done properly. If it doesn't work out it can always be reworked in many different ways.
 

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And I see the point you're driving with punk and goth being separate identity groups, but I've experienced female types with conflicting identities that were very much like this, not a sister mind you but, girlfriends, friends and fuck buddies. They were one thing on the outside, totally different personality internally and struggled with what social group to fit into constantly.
Oh, obviously. My description of "Punk" and "Goth" types is just shorthand for explaining character archetypes, not for actual looks. But, hippie-like girls tend to gravitate towards the Punk subculture/fashion for a reason, same as superficial sexually disturbed girls may tend towards gothiness, those subcultures are ultimately irrelevant, and you can have a nerdy cheerleader (it's more common than you think) or a "hippie" bookworm. I was talking visual Shorthand, i.e. repeating memes.

Also, to give characters some depth, notice how I gave each archetype an aspect that is in opposition to the superficial stereotype: The oversexualizing goth girl that pretends to be a very demanding, high-class slut is actually a virgin (possibly traumatized by her own incestuous encounter with a grabby and clumsy drunk uncle), and the permissive hippie-punk sister is jealous and craves an emotional intimacy that she outwardly rejects as "gay shit" (possibly because her romantic disposition was destroyed by early, purely mechanical sexual encounters) - And begins to project her romance-starved feelings on the MC.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, visual Shorthand exists for a reason, but if you want characters to feel real, you at least have to give them a strong personality factor that opposes the personality they try to project outwardly.
 
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hentaifan0116

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Uggghhh was lazy and didn't focus on development of any kind yesterday, I will beat myself up on here to keep motivation strong.
 

Corrupted

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Lurking here and discussing your Favorite Type of Boobs is just another excuse for procrastination!
t. has worked for 8 hours and fapped for 6 today
 
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hentaifan0116

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Oh wow a month or so later?? I've been slacking! Tomorrow there will be an update of stuffs in progress. I've gotten sidetracked with other stuff in life. but I plan to refocus on this 110%! Though I am having an issue with the main characters design, I can't get em to look normal? Exactly how I want him to? I dunno.
 

hentaifan0116

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Finally had some time to do some development, and make some progress.
Still not fully happy with the design of the Main Character, but the Twin Sister and Mother are both 98%ish complete.
Got a better Version of TK17 so things look much better.

Check it out!

Comment and Criticism Please.
 

hentaifan0116

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Wow Over a Year and I've been putting this stuff off, Fucking Depression is a bitch...

But I'm motivated again and back to working on content! Not sure why I lost motivation... I guess real life and bills and such took priority...