Tbh, this game has a lot of plot holes and things that don't seem to make sense but let's be honest. Most people are going to be unaware to them but I do agree there should be some more consistency
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A lot of people sure are making Eliette look like a hidden widow by taking her background out of context and/or deliberately choosing to fear her over trusting her despite her clumsy nature.
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Well, fair, but what about Eliette? Her purpose of coming to the mortal plane is helping those in need, especially when it comes to being a doctor. Makes no sense for her not using that spell during first MC and Neyram encounter for example. In fact, MC got hurt back then mostly because neither of them protected him with a spell.
Also it's the queen, not empress.
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Maybe Yakuu is just really good at shield magic or something from being primarily a warrior? It might not be something just anybody can do.
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Just for the record, MC can die in 3 different occasions when with Eliette due to her clumsiness. She knows damn well how dangerous it might be for a normal sized person to be at her side. And safety doesn't have to be caused only by fear. Accidents happen even in a real world, let alone a land populated by twenty meters tall girls.
Well, duh? What does it have to do with my statement? Also Madea knows magic, so it's unconfirmed if protection spell is beyond her skills or not.
Yeah, sure, the war must me the safest situation ever. Also she herself apologized that they couldn't share much moments together before the war struck and she will have to fight alone sometimes, therefore MC shouldn't have to stay with her at that times. It is logical for her to be concerned about his safety, and since she does, not doing any form of magical protection is just dumb.
Guess what, Pyeka does protect MC when situation demands so. I just forgot to mention vore scenes, where MC is completely fine inside her.
"It's great, but I almost got crushed" is one of the first lines that MC says when meeting Sheina in the castle. Considering that Timfalme has normal sized and giants coexisting in peace, that kingdom should probably be the biggest buyer of protection services for normal sized people, be it potions, spells or whatever. It could be much easier to explain if that spell did not actually exist or had hard limitations, but from what we saw with Yakuu, it can work wonders when it comes to interacting with a giantess. It's like if in our world, each and every nation just ignored something as useful as antibiotics for example.
The fact that MC dies easily under Eliette proves otherwise. There is 0 evidence of that happening in the story, despite how logical that would be.
But she just doesn't... That's the problem I'm trying to get across.
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Good point, we never heard about protection magic from anyone else, so maybe it's a very specific spell, yet I don't see any reasons for Eliette not knowing it. Also protecting yourself is quite a basic need, especially for warriors, so if there are some sort of support mages in armies, it would be the first spell in a book to learn.
To stick with the doctor analogy, not every doctor knows every discipline of medical techniques. There is a reason why doctors are commonly flown across states when a patients problem requires a specialist who studies solely on that problem. The fact that Yakuu knows what is likely an advanced and difficult spell means that in addition to being a doctor, she is also a surgeon. Kudos to Yakuu, maybe she should reconsider being a warlord if she wasn't a sadist.
Just because some one knows how to throw a fireball does not mean that they know how to teleport. Eliette is a ditz who is clearly clumsy and is well meaning, however I would think it stranger for a clumsy ditz to know what sounds like an advanced spell capable of protecting someone from forces that easily crush buildings dozens of times their size. Just because Eliette wants to help people doesn't mean that she has what it takes to be a doctor or a surgeon, she already knows healing magic but can't completely heal the broken bones she accidently caused. Clearly she WANTS to help, but its likely she literally doesn't have the capability to do any of the more advanced magics with her powers sealed so she could descend.
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Yes, but protection spell is not something that specific. Maybe some curses or MC's condition for example are problems worth getting a specialist like Cygnia, but certainly not the most needed spell around after healing.
First of all, she can heal wounds completely if a patient has enough magic tolerance, which isn't the case with MC, so he had to spend a few more days healing himself naturally. Second, I must correct myself here, I needed some time to catch up on latest updates: Eliette actually knows this protection spell, or maybe some of it's equivalent, and she did use it on MC to not make him one with a roof of that building she was falling to in most recent scene. This confirmation doesn't make things any better though. To be fair there was only 1 occasion upon which MC's life was put in danger and Eliette was fully aware of it (fallen shelf scene to be specific), but it's still just weird that she neither used it nor even mentioned before. Damn, even when it was confirmed by the game, Eliette didn't say anything, information was brought by narrator/MC's thoughts. What kind of torture is this?
Where did that come from? She can check human mind for illnesses, she can heal injuries of almost any type of severity, she can charge an amulet that keeps Maryen at bay, she can cast clouds, she can fly (I guess resizing her own wings for that is also magic), but doing something like protecting a normal sized person with a spell is beyond her reach all of a sudden? During the whole game we were proven that Eliette's magic abilities are very advanced, there is no logical reason why she couldn't use protection spell.
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but she's so sweet! She would *never* (intentionally) kill anyone...
also regarding the whole not casting a protection spell when MC was in danger, to me it seems Elliete gets so flustered and nervous about potentially hurting MC that it completely slips from her mind
and I think that would fit her character pretty well
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As they say, intentions do not consider consequences. Be it by clumsiness or intenionally, life is still taken.
Well, if she was a 18 y.o girl or something, then probably, but let's not forget that it's a centuries old angel descended from heavens we're talking about.
I don’t think Eliette is evil, rather she’s probably going to be the misguided good person character if she proceeds with whatever plan she has in mind. She also needs confidence from someone, even if it’s the MC or Bezvy, and if the MC is supportive of her she’ll put her plan into motion. We’ve never seen her put something in action without ppl supporting her some way or the other.
If the MC is traumatized, however, she’ll stop doing so and instead realize that she’s using the MC as a confidence boost. This ties into why she doesn’t cast a protection spell on him: it would then imply that she could kill him and then her confidence goes to rock bottom. There’re IRL ppl like this, so it’s not far fetched to say this is the case.
In the case of Regina or someone else not casting such a spell, do we even know if they are able to do so? Eliette or Yakuu can’t use green mana like Regina, Madea can’t use Sheina’s pink cloud magic, Diula can’t reinforce her stomach like Pyeka, and Croixelle is still learning. It’s best to say that different characters know different spells but not all of them.
If the MC is traumatized, however, she’ll stop doing so and instead realize that she’s using the MC as a confidence boost. This ties into why she doesn’t cast a protection spell on him: it would then imply that she could kill him and then her confidence goes to rock bottom. There’re IRL ppl like this, so it’s not far fetched to say this is the case.
In the case of Regina or someone else not casting such a spell, do we even know if they are able to do so? Eliette or Yakuu can’t use green mana like Regina, Madea can’t use Sheina’s pink cloud magic, Diula can’t reinforce her stomach like Pyeka, and Croixelle is still learning. It’s best to say that different characters know different spells but not all of them.
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I expect that whatever she planned won't be something evil, she just typed "I don't know if I have strength to do this" because of her innocence. Maybe something not as bad, but still difficult for her moral values.
I blame lack of lore. All those bits collected from every path still don't give a clear picture. Basically, all we know is that magic exists, it has a form of exclusive to Viridice green mana, soul defines of how much mana a person have and that generally magic abilities are near limitless. Nothing about elements, types, tiers or anything else that could distinguish one spell from another. Take for example an ability to grow. What is this? A manipulation of matter? Okay, what about "magic of life" that Nyxmay uses? Also a manipulation of matter? Does this mean that everyone who can grow technically use magic of life? I don't think so. What about Croixelle? She can hide herself or her face from others. Is that an illusion magic? What about beacon spell that Sheina has? Why don't they have any sort of systematisation, like if each and every magic caster created a type of magic they use with their own imagination.
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=> I was just looking at various reasons on why other characters would have not to cast a permanent protection spell on the MC, to protect him from the environment they 're in, which is why I mentioned "irrelevant characters" to your message.
=> Precisely why I said "at the moment" as the war hasn't happend yet, and previously she really didn't need to.
=> That's why I said "relatively". I assume, living in Timfalme as a giant requires you to be trained/you won't even be allowed entry if you are not careful/can't completely avoid the "tinies" by flying or something.
Could be that protection spells/potions are simply expensive too, on a kingdom scale. <= I can definitely imagine that being the case. (+I assume their culture has "evolved" to have a sort of caution at all times to avoid crushing people, if that makes sense)
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All that stuff aside though, we are trying to get the same thing across. The way the game handles magic/potions is honestly horrid. And its a complete miss-step that protection spells/potions are shown to be used in the world. But then (often) not applied where it would be most logical to do so.
With Maryens&especially Eliette's path being the worst offenders.
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The only thing I can really think of, as to why not.
Maybe repeatedly reinforcing Eliette, saying you are fine when you are hurt, saying you trust her not to harm you, even when she is this clumsy, makes Eliette think casting a protection spell on you would betray that "trust". But on the other hand when you are passive to Eliette/do not reinforce her, once again, if she were truly as innocent as she appears to be she would have definitely cast one. Or ask someone to cast one on you.
It would be really interesting if Eliette is keeping the MC around for a solid reason, maybe to monitor him; Maybe they know more about him than they're actually giving away(+instructions to eliminate him if he finds out something or too much).
=> And the divergence path being the path where you realise this.
=You romancing Eliette "the klutz" is just a secondary thing/will prevent her from doing XX, or wil make her disobey or whatever..
Now that would be cool.
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I see. Sorry for misunderstanding.
Although I can more or less understand Maryen given her situation, but Eliette... She may be clumsy, she may mess up more than once because of it, but at that point any wise person would start trying to be more mindful about their actions to avoid any harm. However, if you try to decline the idea of writer's fault, the situation looks like Eliette is just way too ignorant or selfish to do anything about herself, both of which isn't true.