VN Ren'Py Giant Guardians [v0.3.92] [Giant Guardians]

[confusedreamer]

Facts, Artical said that if both giantesses, especially Guardians, it would be like mutually assured destruction (WMDs going off)… Naya and Regina were not fighting at their fullest capacity/capabilities

Then why declare war? Orphelith allows it, the Lycalis tribal leaders are fine with it, and the Viridice council declared it. IRL countries aren't too keen to go into war if both sides have nukes for precisely this reason, and here both nations have multiple magically proficient and gigantification-capable giantesses who will inevitably have to use all their powers in a desperate war situation (which will happen if the war is not resolved quickly), yet they still decide that war is fine.

And this isn't the first time they are at war, which makes things even more confusing. Are they, or are they not as powerful as Artical says they are?

 

[MorallyLucky]

Facts, Artical said that if both giantesses, especially Guardians, it would be like mutually assured destruction (WMDs going off)… Naya and Regina were not fighting at their fullest capacity/capabilities

The reality is, the margins are very slim in these ratings. Even the strongest character that we know of (Orphelith) admits that she can't conquer the entire continent and that's probably why she has the multi-kingdom system in place, and yeah, there are no winners in two proverbial nuclear powers fighting one another.

 

[MorallyLucky]

And this isn't the first time they are at war, which makes things even more confusing. Are they, or are they not as powerful as Artical says they are?

The question is somewhat answered in Regina's route which is that the strongest never go all out in fear of disastrous death tolls (in Regina's good route, she mentions that in spite of her suspicions of Lycalis, she doesn't think so badly of them that they might target hospitals at the frontlines). So while your analogy is apt, it's two nuclear powers fighting that choose not to use their nukes; or at least that's my understanding of it.

 

[confusedreamer]

The question is somewhat answered in Regina's route which is that the strongest never go all out in fear of disastrous death tolls (in Regina's good route, she mentions that in spite of her suspicions of Lycalis, she doesn't think so badly of them that they might target hospitals at the frontlines). So while your analogy is apt, it's two nuclear powers fighting that choose not to use their nukes; or at least that's my understanding of it.

Possibly, but then again it's war. And given how much Lycalis and Virdice have broken that trust with each other, a desperate situation can always escalate and result in a MAD scenario. Countries with nukes don't go to war as one cannot predict what will happen and the mere possibility is enough.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Countries with nukes don't go to war as one cannot predict what will happen and the mere possibility is enough.

Well, to be fair, nuclear powers also don't share a land border (other than India and Pakistan; and those two did in fact fight wars without using nukes on each other). So tensions between neighbors can at times escalate to a boiling point even if they have nuclear capabilities.

 

[Evizzy89]

Possibly, but then again it's war. And given how much Lycalis and Virdice have broken that trust with each other, a desperate situation can always escalate and result in a MAD scenario. Countries with nukes don't go to war as one cannot predict what will happen and the mere possibility is enough.

countries with nukes go to war all the time you crackhead

 

[MorallyLucky]

countries with nukes go to war all the time you crackhead

I think his point is that they don't go to war against each other, which is mostly true other than the exception I mentioned.

 

[DiddleKidPlusDiddler]

Is Naya even able to use magic? Or is she more like... a DnD barbarian?

 

[YouShallNotLol]

And this isn't the first time they are at war, which makes things even more confusing. Are they, or are they not as powerful as Artical says they are?

They probably aren't allowed to go at full power.
Like, nuclear countries were at war with eachother in the past. And a couple are at war right now. And I don't see anybody dropping nukes.

I think his point is that they don't go to war against each other, which is mostly true other than the exception I mentioned.

They absolutely do, and everyone knows it. But they usually put up a million facades to uphold the illusion that they aren't at war with eachother.

Facts, Artical said that if both giantesses, especially Guardians, it would be like mutually assured destruction (WMDs going off)… Naya and Regina were not fighting at their fullest capacity/capabilities

None of that changes the fact that Naya lost.

 

[MorallyLucky]

They absolutely do, and everyone knows it. But they usually put up a million facades to uphold the illusion that they aren't at war with eachother.

Proxy wars aren't direct wars. Russia airstriking New York or vice versa is not the same as Russia airstriking Kiev, the former is the equivalent to the in-game conflict.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Is Naya even able to use magic? Or is she more like... a DnD barbarian?

I think she's only displayed physical abilities... but Madea does know how to use magic so it's hard for me to imagine Naya being stronger without her being able to use at least some magic

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Proxy wars aren't direct wars. Russia airstriking New York or vice versa is not the same as Russia airstriking Kiev, the former is the equivalent to the in-game conflict.

Our world also doesn't have the nigh-omnipotent overseer that enforces the status quo between nations. If it did, Russia would absolutely have a go at invading US mainland. Because there would be assurance from the overseer, that the nukes would not be used.
Washington being bombed then would be almost a regular occurence. Same as bombing Moscow.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Our world also doesn't have the nigh-omnipotent overseer that enforces the status quo between nations.

Neither does the GG world:

Orphelith doesn't "enforce" the system per se, the system only works due to the approval of other kingdoms. If/when that collapses, all bets are off and the continent will return to what it used to be.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Is Naya even able to use magic? Or is she more like... a DnD barbarian?

turns out, yes she can:

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Neither does the GG world:

Orphelith doesn't "enforce" the system per se, the system only works due to the approval of other kingdoms. If/when that collapses, all bets are off and the continent will return to what it used to be.

Good lord I waked up at 3 AM to see some… nuclear discussions But yes, kingdoms use to go to war all the time in the past, before the establishment of the system implemented by the queen thousands of years ago.. before that, it was the “Chaotic” Era.. where conflicts/Death happened.. especially to tinies.. and countries/giantesses can fight but The Queen intervenes if it gets to the point of a kingdom being destroyed entirely… so there’s that “safety net” for kingdoms…

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Neither does the GG world:

Orphelith doesn't "enforce" the system per se, the system only works due to the approval of other kingdoms. If/when that collapses, all bets are off and the continent will return to what it used to be.

Yeah. Orphelith is "only" The Strongest Giantess (read: one-woman world superpower). Orphelith is "only" holding the entire continent in her grip through guardians and messengers like Sheina. Orphelith is "only" de facto rules every kingdom, even if indirectly.


"There is no omnipotent Empress Orphelith who rules all kindgoms."

 

[MorallyLucky]

Yeah. Orphelith is "only" The Strongest Giantess (read: one-woman world superpower). Orphelith is "only" holding the entire continent in her grip through guardians and messengers like Sheina. Orphelith is "only" de facto rules every kingdom, even if indirectly.


"There is no omnipotent Empress Orphelith who rules all kindgoms."
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A superpower is not omnipotent, omnipotence implies godhood. By Orphelith's own admittance she's not that.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

A superpower is not omnipotent, omnipotence implies godhood. By Orphelith's own admittance she's not that.

That's just a hyperbole to hammer in the point. She's THE overarching power that calls all the shots, and decides who rules, who lives and who dies.
Viridice and Licalis literally have to come bow to her and ask permission to declare the war, for fuck's sake.

 

[MorallyLucky]

Speaking of which, I just noticed that as of the latest Timfalme route update, Orphelith has over 14 interest points the MC can get — that's more points than in some characters' actual routes! How much interest does this woman need for it to get anywhere?

 

[Chivalry/Honor]

Speaking of which, I just noticed that as of the latest Timfalme route update, Orphelith has over 14 interest points the MC can get — that's more points than in some characters' actual routes! How much interest does this woman need for it to get anywhere?

Probably at least 66. Then again it does speak to her loneliness, for her to take interest in such simple gestures from the MC.