Google to block sideloading of apps starting next year.

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They'll not make this much money just because now all android app creators will have to pay the US$ 25 one-time registration fee.
So in other words, they're now making money where they werent before? Great, now you're just supporting my statement!
What is illegal in EU.
My phone sure isnt stopping me from side loading (beyond the scary warning), nor are any apk vendors besides googles forbidden to access. I can even install third party app stores if i wanted to!

Yknow, as someone living in the EU i think you're pulling that one out of your ass...
 

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all of this is google and the governments colluding to remove the last shreds of privacy/freedom on android
 

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these kind of changes are eventually going to come to windows be prepared to not being able to run any program that doesn't have a certificate and the program developers being forced to reveal to Microsoft/government their full legal identity to be able to distribute programs
 

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these kind of changes are eventually going to come to windows be prepared to not being able to run any program that doesn't have a certificate and the program developers being forced to reveal to Microsoft/government their full legal identity to be able to distribute programs
For what its worth, i doubt its any time soon. Computers never had this basis of walled gardens as a primary source for your tools and entertainment, users are used to the freedom and especially now that the people who dont care at all primarily moved to phones, has a higher rate of power users who would be especially upset by such things. Last time it was tried by Microsoft it failed dramatically because the backlash was massive.
 

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For what its worth, i doubt its any time soon. Computers never had this basis of walled gardens as a primary source for your tools and entertainment, users are used to the freedom and especially now that the people who dont care at all primarily moved to phones, has a higher rate of power users who would be especially upset by such things. Last time it was tried by Microsoft it failed dramatically because the backlash was massive.
I personally think this kinds of things are coming sooner rather that later especially if its coming from governmental pressure
 

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websites apps and operating systems are slowly force people to use online account and from there they are going to force people use their legal identity if they want to use certain features of apps/websites/operating system and from there they are eventually they are eventually going to force the use of full legal identity if people want to use these things at all
 

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and the "normies" for the lack of a better word are going to support this saying things like "what are you hiding" "you sound so suspicious" "I have nothing to hide" "your information is already everywhere so what's one more thing gonna do"
 
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This thread is an example of why Gaben got cucked, and some people cheered. Everyone is safe from adult video games on Steam, maybe, but there's always more work to do. Everyone should install F95 spyware / contact tracing so mods can make sure no one is a sicko and making other people sickos too.
 
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I'm really not surprised that the same people who defended mastercard/visa are on here doing the same for google.

I've seen them say that "By devs verifying their identity - if their APKs cause problems - Google can restrict those APKs from causing problems on a greater scale " and also " It is not another stone in the wall of restricting user freedom. " and ofc last but not least "Average Android users have the right to be protected against threats they don't understand, and this right is precisely where your freedom to install whatever you want stop "

f95 has been having a malware problem, why not just make every person who uploads a game provide their name, address of residence, phone number and email address and Upload a scan or photo of a state-issued identity document?

But honestly they will say that's different so lets try another example, Imagine if Window's didn't allow programs to be installed from unsigned/unverified devs. You are taking the same risk as downloading an unverified apk and yes it can effect other people in the same way as malware downloaded as an apk. I can only assume you are for Windows making the same restrictions then or else you're having a serious case of "cognitive dissonance"

Anybody being intellectually honest with themselves has to admit that this is restricting user freedom. It's weird to even have to explain it, it would be like making every website owner identify themselves because some sites have malware or again Windows making every program be linked to a real identity. They are putting a new requirement for devs to follow which will result in currently available apk's that have not updated but still work to no longer be useable and for new apk's which would have otherwise been made if these requirements to hand over all personal information wasn't introduced. On the user side it now is no longer possible to choose to use apk's that have anonymous dev's thus literally is restricting their freedom to choose......as someone already said if you want to argue that the safety of users is more important then their freedom then you can go ahead and have that argument but to pretend this isn't restricting user choice is ridiculous.

Also I highly doubt that "Average andriod users" are the ones sideloading apk's....and as for "their "right" to be protected against threats they don't understand' that is literally what google was already doing...they actively warned people of the danger of sideloading apks thus fulfilling the part of "they don't understand" when windows defender catches a virus and quarantines it they both warn you of the potional dangers of the file and gives you the option to restore it.

In summary, yes this is restricting customer freedom and hurting dev's by making them choose between giving a private company very sensentive data to create and distributing software or no longer being able to distribute their software at all.
 
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Not giving Apple money would be a big one for me.
I feel like Google/Alphabet is just as bad at this point, though? Especially with their war on adblock and how they've turned Google searching into a classified ads page or them selling your data. I mean, I'm sure Apple does it, too. But at least they pretend they're not.

With a bit more than 70% of the mobiles devices being powered by Android, against a bit less than 29% for iOS, and around 1% for all the others [ ], I have real difficulties to believe your claim.
Globally? Absolutely. But a vast majority come from the (very) over-populated third world where budget phones are basically all Samsung or VIVO. Don't know if you've ever been to India (beautiful place in parts), but all you see are Samsung phones. Especially since Xiaomi (deservedly) fell off.

If we look at the US/Europe or other first-world market? 40%. And it'll only drop once you take away what makes Android unique. If you're only offering customization as you only "win" over another company, then you've got problems.

Well, the fact is that people do not choose between iOS and Android, but between Apple and one of its competitors. They don't really care about the OS, but about the device itself.
Yet the vast majority of modern Android smartphones are just clones of iPhones. Nothing, Samsung, Pixel. The slow drift to Apple is real. The inherent idea is choosing iOS or Android, and if the latter, then choosing which Android.

People will not starts to buy Apple mobile devices just because Google changed his rules.
Maybe so. Like the rest of us, I'm just looking at the tea leaves and guessing.
 
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Lol no it won't. Just like all the changes MS does to Windows isn't the death of Windows. What are you going to switch to? Apple? The idiotPhone is even worse.

Besides, people are already speculating possible work arounds like installing apps using ADP. It wouldn't be ideal but could be something at least. If anything, this could be a boost to another player in the phone OS market that isn't Chinese. Unlikely, but possible. I saw mentioned as an example.
For Apple? I was already thinking about it. But only because of the TrueDepth camera that Android will never have. Makes facial motion tracking affordable for solo or indie 3D artists. Anything similar on android has long been abandoned. You're calling the iPhone an idiot phone, but how is Google any different? They're blocking your adblockers. They're constantly selling you ads on searches. They're constantly selling your data. Now they're telling you what you can or can't install and what you can or can't create. They're forcing people to use the Play Store without actually outright forcing people. Are Apple doing the same things? Yes. That's the problem. It's the pot calling the kettle black. Once this goes through, short of customization, they'll basically be the same phones.

Do you mean ADB? Sure, maybe. But doing anything with Graphene OS requires unlocking the bootloader. Good luck doing that with Knox. Anything with Snapdragon will be tougher given how strict Qualcomm is with it. This also assumes those 'lazy average consumers' are willing to learn how to use ADB.

I could be wrong. I'm not saying I'm right. All I'm saying is that if Google/Android/etc. don't think this won't hurt their market share, then they're a lot blinder than I thought.
 

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For Apple? I was already thinking about it. But only because of the TrueDepth camera that Android will never have. Makes facial motion tracking affordable for solo or indie 3D artists. Anything similar on android has long been abandoned. You're calling the iPhone an idiot phone, but how is Google any different? They're blocking your adblockers. They're constantly selling you ads on searches. They're constantly selling your data. Now they're telling you what you can or can't install and what you can or can't create. They're forcing people to use the Play Store without actually outright forcing people. Are Apple doing the same things? Yes. That's the problem. It's the pot calling the kettle black. Once this goes through, short of customization, they'll basically be the same phones.

Do you mean ADB? Sure, maybe. But doing anything with Graphene OS requires unlocking the bootloader. Good luck doing that with Knox. Anything with Snapdragon will be tougher given how strict Qualcomm is with it. This also assumes those 'lazy average consumers' are willing to learn how to use ADB.

I could be wrong. I'm not saying I'm right. All I'm saying is that if Google/Android/etc. don't think this won't hurt their market share, then they're a lot blinder than I thought.
unfortunately I think this will have minimal impact on the market share most people don't sideload apps they just use the play store most people don't even know what file or folder even is
 
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Its strange how the two supporters of this change are being so disingenous about it,
:ROFLMAO:

It's funny how, the more one is freaking out by fear to loose its porn, the more he's also totally unable to understand that there's a difference between, "disagreeing with a weak unrealistic argument", and, "being on the opposite side".


but both also consistently are some of the most grating users on this forum so go figure.
It's a constant of humankind through its whole History, teenagers always feel grated when adults are trying to teach them some common sense.
 

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Some of the things in this thread would never be stated by trustworthy figures in cybersecurity.
 

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teenagers always feel grated when adults are trying to teach them some common sense.
Please sire... bless this unenlightened teenager with 10k paragraphs in broken English defending censorship. I am feeling fearful.

there's a difference between, "disagreeing with a weak unrealistic argument", and, "being on the opposite side".
I pray you will one day be able to muster the courage to clarify your actual stance without needing to hide by implying being on "the same side".
 

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:ROFLMAO:

It's funny how, the more one is freaking out by fear to loose its porn, the more he's also totally unable to understand that there's a difference between, "disagreeing with a weak unrealistic argument", and, "being on the opposite side".




It's a constant of humankind through its whole History, teenagers always feel grated when adults are trying to teach them some common sense.
I don't think it's disingenuous at all to conclude you're on the otherside, you've stated you don't believe this is restricting freedom and also that it will improve security, and also somewhat contradictory said that "your individual freedoms stop where other's rights start" I imagine most people would assume you're for the changes that google is making considering you've only mentioned positives of the change while arguing against negatives mentioned by others.

as for "disagreeing with a weak unrealistic argument" you did a piss poor job of it, I already went over how your stance that it isn't restricting freedom is wrong in my post above. I also talked about your stance that "android users have the right to be protected against threats they don't understand" and how google already was abiding by this.

as for your last claim that it "isn't freedom but selfishness" that's an opinion and one that can easily be reversed, is it not selfish for the ignorant to impose rules and regulations on things they don't understand solely because of their ignorance?
I think most people would expect people who are unfamiliar with something to LISTEN to the warnings. If im on a trail and see a snake and a Park ranger tells me not to pick it up because it's venomous and I go and pick it up anyway that's on me.

Also in my post above I pointed out how most likely you'd change your tune if these same regulations were enforced across the board from windows to websites.


Here's your quote for context
"Any individual freedom stop where other's rights starts.

Average Android users have the right to be protected against threats they don't understand, and this right is precisely where your freedom to install whatever you want stop.
Said otherwise, what you talk about isn't freedom, it's called selfishness. "
 
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For Apple? I was already thinking about it. But only because of the TrueDepth camera that Android will never have. Makes facial motion tracking affordable for solo or indie 3D artists. Anything similar on android has long been abandoned.
Fair enough but if people switch to iPhones for reasons like this, then the side-loading issue is irrelevant anyway.
You're calling the iPhone an idiot phone, but how is Google any different? They're blocking your adblockers.
Are you still talking about phone OS or is this about Chrome web browser? I'm on Android and my adblocker is working just fine.
They're constantly selling you ads on searches. They're constantly selling your data. Now they're telling you what you can or can't install and what you can or can't create. They're forcing people to use the Play Store without actually outright forcing people. Are Apple doing the same things? Yes. That's the problem. It's the pot calling the kettle black. Once this goes through, short of customization, they'll basically be the same phones.
It's not pot calling the kettle black, it's lesser of two evils. But even if it were pot calling the kettle black, and "they'll basically be the same," then why would anyone switch when it's just as bad on the other side? People don't like to switch to a new system because it's inconvenient and they don't want to learn so you need a strong reason for them to do it. This won't kill Android.

And you're right about the data privacy concern. Unfortunately the average person these days doesn't care about it though.
Do you mean ADB? Sure, maybe. But doing anything with Graphene OS requires unlocking the bootloader. Good luck doing that with Knox. Anything with Snapdragon will be tougher given how strict Qualcomm is with it. This also assumes those 'lazy average consumers' are willing to learn how to use ADB.

I could be wrong. I'm not saying I'm right. All I'm saying is that if Google/Android/etc. don't think this won't hurt their market share, then they're a lot blinder than I thought.
I only mentioned GrapheneOS as an example of some people talking about alternatives to iOS and Android in other discussions on other sites. Of course only power users would be considering such a thing. Correct me if i'm wrong but "lazy average consumers" won't even be affected by the upcoming change. ADB might sound completely foreign to many people today but i guarantee that if that's the only way to do it, it will become common knowledge among people who use side-loading.
 

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Please sire... bless this unenlightened teenager with 10k paragraphs in broken English defending censorship.
Oh. My. Gods... None native English speaker 54yo dyslexic me, who never really had to practice the language, have a broken English... Who would have thought? :eek:

Well, I'll console myself knowing that, at least, I understand that disagreeing with a stupid claim do not mean that I defend what this claim attacks.


I don't think it's disingenuous at all to conclude you're on the otherside,
And yet it is.

If I say that, "no, rape isn't a crime against humanity", this doesn't mean that I support rape.
If I say that, "no, loving 18yo girls with D cup isn't ephebophilia", this doesn't mean that I support p*d*shit.
In both case it just mean that the person I talk to do not understand what "crime against humanity" or "ephebophilia" are, period.


you've stated you don't believe this is restricting freedom
And it isn't. You're still totally free to play the games on a none Android platform; hell, so far you'll even still be free to play them on an Android platform, even next year once the change will apply.
It's, yet at most, a limitation of your convenience, not of your freedom.


and also that it will improve security,
And, since you've read Google announcement, at least when you saw the link on the previous page, you know perfectly that it's not my claim, but Google's one.
I mean, you wouldn't talk about something you know nothing about, right?


and also somewhat contradictory said that "your individual freedoms stop where other's rights start"
How is it contradictory with the previous point? Since your freedom have a stop, you can't be deprived of it when precisely this stop is respected.

One's freedom to own and use a hunting rifle or, in the US, a gun, have a stop; you don't have the right to use it to kill someone. Thinking that this stop being enforced by Law is a deprivation of your freedom is pure selfish stupidity.
And the exact same apply here.


I imagine most people would assume you're for the changes that google is making
While I do hope that "most people" still acknowledge that the world isn't purely black and white. The concept of "you're either with me or against me" is just a comfortable thought that weak minds use to reassure themselves, while avoiding the need to question their own reasoning.


considering you've only mentioned positives of the change while arguing against negatives mentioned by others.
I mentioned only one positive point, the security part, as answer to someone who addressed it.

As for the negative points, I only addressed the most ridiculous ones.
By example, saying that Google will increase their registration fees, that exist since more than a decade and never have been increased during all this time, is a ridiculous claim. Not only they could have done it at anytime during all those years, but they also don't need such excuse to do it now. And this fee being a US$ 25 one-time payment, it's not because more people will have to pay it, that they'll become rich.
With an annual benefit around US$ 350 billions last year, even if each year there were 1.4 millions new developers paying those one-time fees, it would increase their benefit by only 0.01%. And like at most the number will be a tenth of this, wow... They'll earn 0.001% more, what progress...
Anyway, as the announcement say, they are "creating a separate type of Android Developer Console account for [student and hobbyist developers]". Note that they don't refer to the developer console, but to the account. What will be the condition is still unknown, but I guess that one of the difference will be lower (if not none existing) fees.


I also talked about your stance that "android users have the right to be protected against threats they don't understand" and how google already was abiding by this.
And I already answered this. Four decades of computer security have proved, millions times, that prevention and warnings do not works.


as for your last claim that it "isn't freedom but selfishness" that's an opinion and one that can easily be reversed, is it not selfish for the ignorant to impose rules and regulations on things they don't understand solely because of their ignorance?
Weird... You pretend to reverse my claim, and then achieved to explain why I'm right when talking about selfishness.

Well, I'm saying this, but perhaps are you some kind of expert in wide scale cybersecurity, doubled by an expert in user management, doubled by a lawyer, and have read Google's announcement. Because if you aren't all this, then you are the one who try to impose his rules and regulations on things he don't understand, solely because of his ignorance.
Not that I'm an expert in all this myself but, unless what your biased reading told you, I haven't took side.


I think most people would expect people who are unfamiliar with something to LISTEN to the warnings.
Absolutely no one with a bit of experience is expecting this...

Rule #1 of computer security: Users are your worst enemy.


If im on a trail and see a snake and a Park ranger tells me not to pick it up because it's venomous and I go and pick it up anyway that's on me.
Then, the person that will come to help you will be bit too, and it will still be on you.
Selfishness Vs Freedom, once again... Your freedom to wander on a trail, versus your selfish desire to do whatever you want when on that trail.


Also in my post above I pointed out how most likely you'd change your tune if these same regulations were enforced across the board from windows to websites.
I wouldn't. When DNS-level ban started, I just installed a DNS on my LAN, and if Windows enforce regulations on the websites I could see, I would disable the service. At worse I would use one of my *nix computers to goes to those, now none available through Windows, websites.
As I said above, perhaps would it be less convenient, but it wouldn't restrict my freedom.
 

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:ROFLMAO:

It's funny how, the more one is freaking out by fear to loose its porn, the more he's also totally unable to understand that there's a difference between, "disagreeing with a weak unrealistic argument", and, "being on the opposite side".




It's a constant of humankind through its whole History, teenagers always feel grated when adults are trying to teach them some common sense.
I thought i made my point about ad hominems clear but this post makes it evident you dont have anything else to bring to the table. Enjoy your self percieved superioriy and go have a wank or something. PS: It never was just about the porn.
 

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Oh. My. Gods... None native English speaker 54yo dyslexic me, who never really had to practice the language, have a broken English... Who would have thought? :eek:

Well, I'll console myself knowing that, at least, I understand that disagreeing with a stupid claim do not mean that I defend what this claim attacks.




And yet it is.
"If I say that, "no, rape isn't a crime against humanity", this doesn't mean that I support rape."

Problem is that example isn't a 1 to 1 on how you actually answered you said "no, it isn't restricting freedom" and then a second part "it increases security". You rejected the negative "that it restricts freedom" and then offered a positive, this is different then just rejecting like you said in your example, it's also different then offering a different negative that you find more valid both of which would be very normal if your only goal was to correct a wrong statement. The "it increases security" wasn't even argued against by the op or the person you responded to, you wern't just correcting a false claim you were also purposely giving reason to why google made the change which again noone you responded to was arguing that googles claim that it is safer is wrong.

"And it isn't. You're still totally free to play the games on a none Android platform; hell, so far you'll even still be free to play them on an Android platform, even next year once the change will apply.
It's, yet at most, a limitation of your convenience, not of your freedom."


yes it is, "Negative freedom refers to the absence of interference from others, allowing individuals to act without constraints, while positive freedom is the ability to control oneself and pursue one's own goals, often requiring some level of self-mastery or collective support." or if you don't like those examples how about marriam-webster's definition "the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action" both of which imply you're wrong. Also idk if you didn't read what I said in my other post but no you won't be able to "play them next year once the changes apply" any apk that doesn't go through this identification process won't be allowed, which not only means apks from devs that don't want to give up their personal information but also apks that arn't in development anymore.

"And, since you've read Google announcement, at least when you saw the link on the previous page, you know perfectly that it's not my claim, but Google's one.
I mean, you wouldn't talk about something you know nothing about, right?"


You're right I wouldn't talk about something I have no knowledge on, thankfully I never said you claimed it but that you stated it. I understand english isn't your first language so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you thought those words were the same.

"How is it contradictory with the previous point? Since your freedom have a stop, you can't be deprived of it when precisely this stop is respected.

One's freedom to own and use a hunting rifle or, in the US, a gun, have a stop; you don't have the right to use it to kill someone. Thinking that this stop being enforced by Law is a deprivation of your freedom is pure selfish stupidity.
And the exact same apply here."


Maybe contradictory was the wrong word i'll admit, instead I should have said that this point isn't related to the current problem since my Freedom to choose what apk's I want to download does not conflict with another users Right for safety.
Sadly once again your example falls short of being a good comparison though I do agree that using a gun to kill someone without reason should be against the law and does not infringe on your freedoms.(You do have a right to use it to kill someone in self defense or in defense of another) But anyway a better comparison would be Person A wants to buy a gun, they are not familar with proper safety precautions and they have no desire to learn either. Person A goes to Gun Store and purchases a gun, Gun Store employee warns Person A that guns are dangerous and warns of proper safety precautions. Person A takes gun and does oh idk lets say they point it at their spouse thinking the chamber was empty but it wasn't.
This is more accurate to the current situation even taking into account Person A's bad decisions having a negative effect on someone else (his spouse). The only missing piece is where googles current actions fit in, Well the Gun Store decides to help lower the chance of misuse of guns by introducing a new policy where they ban all sales of guns without a background check including private transactions. This new policy introduces an interference in buying/selling guns in a private transaction that was not previously there. Obviously this also isn't a perfect 1 to 1 but your example was just silly.

"While I do hope that "most people" still acknowledge that the world isn't purely black and white. The concept of "you're either with me or against me" is just a comfortable thought that weak minds use to reassure themselves, while avoiding the need to question their own reasoning."

The world isn't black or white, I pretty much already explained why your previous post leaned more on one side then the other. You know with the denying it has anything to do with freedom and bringing up unprovoked how this change will increase security.
"History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people." - MLK jr
Lets give you the benefit of the doubt again and assume you have a definition of freedom that is completely your own and decided that the actual definition is wrong so you go to correct a person who says it's bad for freedom. You then decide to bring up a positive about the change that they wern't arguing against. You do both of those things but still are against this change, why stay silent on why you're against it then? As you pointed out the world isn't black or white and MLK jr talked about those in the middle or even who agreed with the movement but stayed silent. If you actually believe what google is doing is wrong then say it. Or reassure yourself that your reasoning is correct and weak minded people like MLK jr think the world is black and white.

As for the negative points, I only addressed the most ridiculous ones.

Nah you for sure addressed the freedom one and like i've said it wasn't ridiculous, as for the Fee while I think it's abit shady to force these devolpers to have to pay this fee that they didn't have to pay before while giving perhaps the most notirious data hoarder even more private information. I didn't mention this in my original post because overall I don't think you're wrong on this point so there was no need to correct it.

"And I already answered this. Four decades of computer security have proved, millions times, that prevention and warnings do not works."

Well you're gonna need to answer it again but yes warnings do work.

Warnings must provide clear and comprehensive information about the dangers and safe usage
Warnings should be prominently displayed and easy to read to ensure they are noticed.
The language used should be simple and understandable for the intended audience.
Warnings must be relevant to the specific risks associated with the product or situation.

Does everybody listen and follow warnings? Nope you could hold their hand as much as you'd like and they'd still jump off a bridge the second you let go. But the claim that warnings do not work is just wrong....I can only guess that you're under the assumption that im saying warnings stop people from making bad decisions, what im actually saying is warning stop people from making uninformed decisions. After governments made ciggeratte companies disclouse the dangers of smoking some people quit but alot didn't, the difference from before and after the warnings is that people now know the dangers of smoking they arn't under the belief that it's healthy or recommened by doctors. So once again i'll reitterate you say people have a right to be protected from threats they don't understand and like I said google already met that critera. The people who sideloaded apk's knew that it was risky but they choose to take that risk.
They don't need to understand how the virus works to understand it's risk which if the above critera for warnings is met will be the case.

"Weird... You pretend to reverse my claim, and then achieved to explain why I'm right when talking about selfishness.

Well, I'm saying this, but perhaps are you some kind of expert in wide scale cybersecurity, doubled by an expert in user management, doubled by a lawyer, and have read Google's announcement. Because if you aren't all this, then you are the one who try to impose his rules and regulations on things he don't understand, solely because of his ignorance.
Not that I'm an expert in all this myself but, unless what your biased reading told you, I haven't took side."


Well this is a mess of a sentence, lets work through it. I don't have to be an expert in wide scale cybersecurity to have an informed opinion on this matter the facts of this situation is quite clear. Nope not an expert in usermanagement either but lucky for me this situation also doesn't require that. Nope not a lawyer also not needed since im not saying what google is doing is unlawful. I have read google's announcement. Unlike your average andriod user that you want to protect I do understand the situation im not making my opinions based off being ignorant of what they are doing and their claims of why but on things easily understandable and explained. I understand that it would increase security and that they claim that is the reason they are doing the new ID check. I am arguing that the limiting of user choice is not worth the increased security and that they may have other reasons for this ID check other then user security. Like collecting of Data, trying to funnel all apk's through their store, Having the identity of devs of apks that they have issue with is a powerful tool.

"Absolutely no one with a bit of experience is expecting this...

Rule #1 of computer security: Users are your worst enemy."


I should again clarify when I said listen I didn't mean to obey but to pay attention to what was said. Honestly that's kind of on me listen can mean both things and could be confusing. There are a ton of examples of people receiving warnings and not heeding them but that's their right and again as long as they are informed of the dangers then their right to understand is met.

"Then, the person that will come to help you will be bit too, and it will still be on you.
Selfishness Vs Freedom, once again... Your freedom to wander on a trail, versus your selfish desire to do whatever you want when on that trail."


This is abit confusing to me maybe im reading it wrong or something. Im not sure why the person who came to help would be bit? im assuming you are trying to make a connection to how viruses can spread on networks or through infected users.
In which case yes a person who gets malware can have their whole household infected it sucks but it can happen. Peoples bad decisions can effect other people negativly, it's very very heavily warned not to mix bleach and ammonia but if somebody decided not to listen to those warnings and mixed them anyway they put their whole house in serious jeopardy. So yeah? I agree that if you didn't heed the warning and it resulted in someone else getting hurt you're at fault, not the park ranger who warned you not to pick it up.

and for the selfishness vs freedom thing your example doesn't work again....your freedom to wander on a trail shouldn't be hindered because of someone elses selfish desire and ignorance to pick up venomous snakes. For some weird reason you assumed that the same person is both for freedom to wander on a trail but also wants to play with venomous snakes. The people arguing against what google is doing arn't the ones handling venomous snakes without protection. You've mentioned yourself that the average andriod user won't even notice or care about this change.

"I wouldn't. When DNS-level ban started, I just installed a DNS on my LAN, and if Windows enforce regulations on the websites I could see, I would disable the service. At worse I would use one of my *nix computers to goes to those, now none available through Windows, websites.
As I said above, perhaps would it be less convenient, but it wouldn't restrict my freedom."


Well i'll give you this atleast you're consistent then if you truely don't give a fuck what corperations decide to impose on you.

but I will again say unless you're using the word freedom in your own special way it would be considered restricting your freedoms whether you acknowledge it or not.


Damn this took awhile to type up, probably won't put this much work into a post again :LOL: