Having two games and one Patreon account

[LfkCn]

Lately, I've been thinking about creating a game with incestuous content and having a Patreon account. On top of all this, I saw a developer with two different games but only one Patreon account. I won't mention any names as I don't want to put anyone under suspicion. Both of this developer's games were different. One of them contained content like bestiality, rape and incest—things that Patreon wouldn't accept. The other had no problematic content. On the Patreon account, there were images of the vanilla-style game. However, some posts were related to the game with banned content, but the game’s name wasn't written directly, just an abbreviation was used. Additionally, on the F95 post of this game, the same Patreon account was listed.

Does a system like this fully protect us? For example, if I made two games at the same time, and one had incest content but wasn’t connected to the Patreon account in any way, would that protect me?

 

[Qahlz]

I don't speak from experience, but from what I've read by some authors I follow they were cautious of posting content violating the rules of Patreon on other media under the same name. I forgot which one it was, but I know of a developer who got in trouble because they were offering an incest patch off-site. Later that same incest patch was offered by "someone else", and it was fine for Patreon.
Another game (a lifesim of some kind) had a totally unrelated modder develop rule-breaking content for the game depending on which polls won over on Patreon.

So yeah, you might need to have someone totally unrelated to you develop said second game. "They" might still be able to link to that Patreon to support you though.

Although from what I know Subscribestar is not so stringent with these rules, so you might be able to get more support for the second game over there.

 

[LfkCn]

I don't speak from experience, but from what I've read by some authors I follow they were cautious of posting content violating the rules of Patreon on other media under the same name. I forgot which one it was, but I know of a developer who got in trouble because they were offering an incest patch off-site. Later that same incest patch was offered by "someone else", and it was fine for Patreon.
Another game (a lifesim of some kind) had a totally unrelated modder develop rule-breaking content for the game depending on which polls won over on Patreon.

So yeah, you might need to have someone totally unrelated to you develop said second game. "They" might still be able to link to that Patreon to support you though.

Although from what I know Subscribestar is not so stringent with these rules, so you might be able to get more support for the second game over there.

he patch idea makes sense, but the scenario I have in mind is too complex to be fixed with just a patch. It would require changing almost the entire game. That's why I'm thinking of using only vanilla game content on my Patreon account and linking the same Patreon account for both games on sites like F95.

 

[kytee]

I thought about this before. Here is what I think:

In your incest game, you shouldn't have any links to patreon within the game itself.

On the F95Zone thread of your incest game, request to have a moderator take ownership of the post so you don't have your account clearly linking your own Patreon. This way, you have plausible deniability as saying "my incest project isn't monetized through Patreon, these strangers are simply finding my links and including them in the incest game thread".

Don't mention anything about incest game on Patreon.

Don't mention or even have a Discord. You can take a chance and only talk about the incest game on paid Discord channels but even that has its own risks.

 

[DS23G]

Additionally, on the F95 post of this game, the same Patreon account was listed.

From my own experience: That can get you into trouble. If the OP post in your game thread links to your Patreon and that game has TOS violating content, Trust & Safety will demand you to take that link down and disassociate yourself from that thread. Even if the game itself is not featured on your Patreon. That's only if they actually get wind of it, of course, but given that Patreon employees actively browse this place, it can theoretically happen any day.

So, my two cents on your overall question: You can develop a Safe for Patreon and a not-safe for Patreon work at the same time, but it's probably smarter to keep them as far away from each other as possible. Having a twitter account, where you promote both games? Will probably get you into trouble. Talking about your not-safe for Patreon game in the F95 game thread, while having a link to your other game or your Patreon in your signature? Will get you into trouble. Mentioning your not-safe for Patreon game in a Patreon post, even though the game itself isn't featured on Patreon? Will absolutely get you into trouble.

 

[Droid Productions]

You absolutely can get nuked for "off-site behavior" (having a second game that's Patreon-bannable, being funded/associated with your safe-for-Patreon vanilla games). It doesn't matter if you don't talk about it on Patreon, as long as they are associated elsewhere (like here).

Only safe way to do it is a second account that's not directly associated with you (so LfkCn makes Vanilla Adventures, and FuckYourSister makes My Real Sister Is Stuck In the Washing machine Again). Put the second on Subscribestar, which is more tolerant about this, and don't write anywhere public that they're associated.

 

[morphnet]

he patch idea makes sense, but the scenario I have in mind is too complex to be fixed with just a patch. It would require changing almost the entire game. That's why I'm thinking of using only vanilla game content on my Patreon account and linking the same Patreon account for both games on sites like F95.

It's best to read there guidelines and TOS first.



They will and do look at activity outside of your patreon account and will still take action.

 

[LfkCn]

From what I understand from the comments, the method I mentioned is also against the rules, which is strange because the account of the unnamed creator has been active since 2016 and is earning tens of thousands of dollars every month (according to Graphtreon data). but I think it's best not to take any risks.

 

[AnonymousUnique123]

So if I, someone totally unrelated were to make a thread listing devs, links to their patreon and subscribestar, assuming they are differently named, And I say something like, support their SFW through this link(Patreon Name: Sfw Cats), and their NSFW through this link(Subscribestar Name: FurryCatsBang).. This still won't give them enough plausible deniability?

 

[morphnet]

So if I, someone totally unrelated were to make a thread listing devs, links to their patreon and subscribestar, assuming they are differently named, And I say something like, support their SFW through this link(Patreon Name: Sfw Cats), and their NSFW through this link(Subscribestar Name: FurryCatsBang).. This still won't give them enough plausible deniability?

 

[AnonymousUnique123]

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Keyword here being 'you', meaning the creators right? But as I've said I'm totally unrelated to them, not to mention, how would this 'hurt' patreon exactly?

 

[morphnet]

Keyword here being 'you', meaning the creators right? But as I've said I'm totally unrelated to them, not to mention, how would this 'hurt' patreon exactly?

So if I, someone totally unrelated were to make a thread listing devs, links to their patreon and subscribestar, assuming they are differently named, And I say something like, support their SFW through this link(Patreon Name: Sfw Cats), and their NSFW through this link(Subscribestar Name: FurryCatsBang).. This still won't give them enough plausible deniability?

YOU would be advertising a patreon creators account along side banned content. This issue has already come up with a dev on this site.

Plus if you have to include "plausible deniability" in your post you already no it's wrong.....

 

[AnonymousUnique123]

Okay, I would be advertising it alongside banned content, what are they gonna do? ban my patreon? I'm not a patreon user.

Plus if you have to include "plausible deniability" in your post you already no it's wrong.....

I'm not here to argue right or wrong, This ain't about that, this is about if it doesn't hurt patreon legally or put it at risk legally then what's the problem?

Can I as a supporter look at my favorite dev's work, find out he has SFW works that I also like and support it too?
or nah? You do legitimate patreon page people might like (SFW character illustrations, Art Gudies etc), they find out you do fictional porn on the side and BAM! you're banned?



Actually let's just make this simple, Does Patreon have bias against more extreme content? Because from what I understand they only have anti extreme content rules so that they won't get trouble.
But if they have BIAS then there's simply no work around. Creators and supporters going out of their way to advertise or post content in such a manner that they're not risking patreon have no meaning if patreon themselves will bend their rules or add more rules to shut them down.

 

[Qahlz]

From what I understand from the comments, the method I mentioned is also against the rules, which is strange because the account of the unnamed creator has been active since 2016 and is earning tens of thousands of dollars every month (according to Graphtreon data). but I think it's best not to take any risks.

Patreon isn't really consistent with their enforcement. I know of some authors who had to alter their stories so some characters aren't related anymore (switching them to step- and god-siblings, although that shouldn't be enough to satisfy their rules either), while some others publish their stories containing incest without issue - some of them directly on Patreon, while others only provide access to their website via Patreon subscription.

 

[moskyx]

Okay, I would be advertising it alongside banned content, what are they gonna do? ban my patreon? I'm not a patreon user.

Yep, you'd be safe. You'd also be outing all those devs who tried to circumvent Patreon's rules and now might be deplatformed for it, so well done for becoming a rat, I guess?

I'm not here to argue right or wrong, This ain't about that, this is about if it doesn't hurt patreon legally or put it at risk legally then what's the problem?

Then don't argue. It's their rules. Period. Simple as that. Surely there are some legal or financial issues they'd face if they are found to be funding certain kind of content on some countries but that's beyond the point since they explicitly say they won't accept that content on their platform, and won't accept devs creating that content elsewhere. Devs agreed to these rules when they set up their Patreon account, so Patreon is right to ban them if they are breaking the agreed ToS.

Can I as a supporter look at my favorite dev's work, find out he has SFW works that I also like and support it too?
or nah?

Yes, you can. Just be aware that it may come to an abrupt end at some point.

You do legitimate patreon page people might like (SFW character illustrations, Art Gudies etc), they find out you do fictional porn on the side and BAM! you're banned?

Yup, that's exactly what happens -if that fictional porn breaks Patreon's ToS. At least, it has happened to some creators.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Just go straight for

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and fuck Patreon.

 

[LfkCn]

Just go straight for

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and fuck Patreon.

by the way, I heard that sub-star has similar rules (r*pe, incest, bestiality) for some reason they don't enforce them for now, but it doesn't seem to be 100% safe there either.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

by the way, I heard that sub-star has similar rules (r*pe, incest, bestiality) for some reason they don't enforce them for now, but it doesn't seem to be 100% safe there either.

Safer than Patron for sure i'd say. Especially for anything non-vanilla.

 

[AnonymousUnique123]

Yep, you'd be safe. You'd also be outing all those devs who tried to circumvent Patreon's rules and now might be deplatformed for it, so well done for becoming a rat, I guess?

Lmao, the point is that they're not circumventing any rules. As far as TOS specifics go.

Then don't argue. It's their rules. Period. Simple as that. Surely there are some legal or financial issues they'd face if they are found to be funding certain kind of content on some countries but that's beyond the point since they explicitly say they won't accept that content on their platform, and won't accept devs creating that content elsewhere. Devs agreed to these rules when they set up their Patreon account, so Patreon is right to ban them if they are breaking the agreed ToS.

Where is it exactly did they say in the ToS that Devs or individuals for that matter are not allowed to have a different named studio, in a different platform with a different purpose?

-Also, they're not funding 'certain kinds of content' and they're not hosting it on their platform is the point. Hence, the different named and different content patreon acc and subscribestar acc. Because one is for funding SFW(patreon) and one is for funding NSFW(Subscribestar) and the dev themselves does not link their Patreon acc on their NSFW pages.

Yup, that's exactly what happens -if that fictional porn breaks Patreon's ToS. At least, it has happened to some creators.

Can you site an example of such creator?
-Also, Again, Where is it Patreon's TOS did they say you're not allowed to have a different named Studio that the dev did not link to his patreon acc?
Because as far as Patreon's concerned they should not be able to punish their devs for their supporters ways to support them so long as the dev drew a clear line between his NSFW and SFW works. (Not linking their patreon page themselves or even not mentioning it themselves.)

 

[moskyx]

Lmao, the point is that they're not circumventing any rules. As far as TOS specifics go.


Where is it exactly did they say in the ToS that Devs or individuals for that matter are not allowed to have a different named studio, in a different platform with a different purpose?

-Also, they're not funding 'certain kinds of content' and they're not hosting it on their platform is the point. Hence, the different named and different content patreon acc and subscribestar acc. Because one is for funding SFW(patreon) and one is for funding NSFW(Subscribestar) and the dev themselves does not link their Patreon acc on their NSFW pages.


Can you site an example of such creator?
-Also, Again, Where is it Patreon's TOS did they say you're not allowed to have a different named Studio that the dev did not link to his patreon acc?
Because as far as Patreon's concerned they should not be able to punish their devs for their supporters ways to support them so long as the dev drew a clear line between his NSFW and SFW works. (Not linking their patreon page themselves or even not mentioning it themselves.)

As soon as some proof are found of them being the same people, they are in trouble. If someone posts a list like the one you're suggesting, all it takes for them to be deplatformed is some bored (or/and extremely motivated) staffmember checking those 'totally independent studios that for some weird reason are listed in pairs' history, social media or whatever other available sources looking for data and links between them. If they are found to be the same people doing 'Safe For Patreon' content and 'Not Safe for Patreon Content' under different labels, they are breaking Patreon's ToS. Don't forget that you use your personal, real data to sign in as a creator, for tax-reasons, so if Patreon ever find you're personally behind another studio you'll be accountable for what this second studio do outside of Patreon. That's their rule.

As for examples, I'll defer to forum historians but I'm sure I've read more than a couple of threads here in General talking about deplatformed devs for this reason -at least, for creating/offering/sharing banned content outside of Patreon, as in their Discord servers or social media. I just don't follow that kind of games so I'm not really on the loop, but some months ago, many devs took a more strict stance on what they do outside of Patreon because someone else got burned.