OK WTF JUST HAPPEND DAVE WAS SUCCKING OF THE BOSS, ATLEAS PUT AN OPTION TO AVOID THAT AND NOT JUST DONT SEE IT BRUHHHHH why adding the narrative of dave kinda liking you if youre gonna add THAT scene
Hey, so I already answered this but I'll repeat. I am going to change the scene in the next version so you can avoid also seeing the aftermath. You can avoid watching the actual scene, there was a choice. Dave was just a one off fling and not a main love interest.
I'd say that if there's a scene that requires changing, it would be the aftermath of Dave's sex scene with MC - there are some moments that can be easily seen as a hints at Dave being a potential LI:
D: "Hopefully, someday, I can have the chance again?"
MC: "Maybe"
D: "But if aren't tied down and you're in Newhaven, you know where to find me."
or
D: "I think it'll all work out. If it doesn't, you know where to find me."
Can you really blame people for being mislead by this? And story-wise it wouldn't been THAT strange for Dave to follow MC's example of following his heart and accept his crossdressing fetish to the point of, let's say, migrating to Jade city to work at some trap cafe.
Hey, fair enough. I'll change it to be clearer.
EDIT: Well, okay. I'm reading over the scene, and in the way it is written, Dave is the only one of the two who seems to want to take the relationship further, and Isaac doesn't reciprocate.
dave "Hopefully, some day, I can have the chance again?"
pov "Maybe."
dave "But if you aren't tied down and you're in Newhaven, you know where to find me."
or
dave "If it doesn't, you know where to find me."
Isaac says, "I do," to both, acknowledging Dave but not giving him anything more than that.
I wrote Dave as someone who clearly had the hots for the MC and only shoots his shot right before he leaves the city. It's a desperate move, but the MC already has his mind made up. Even if your character has doubts about Hazel working out, Isaac wants to start fresh somewhere else.
I understand how some players thought this meant Dave would go on to have a huge role, but I think I am showing that Dave has moved on from Isaac with this scene. He is more faithful to himself now and takes what he wants. He isn't pining over Isaac.
I don't think I'm going to redo the scene since I like how it plays out with Isaac not wanting to crush Dave's heart, but maybe I can make it an option to be brutal with him in the moment.
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HeathenJack
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Dave shot his shot and it didn't land.
Dave then does the logical thing and moves on with his life and has fun.
Dave chose to have agency and not eternally be a damsel hoping the PC returns to harem him.
Be like Dave.
Don't be like the people here who demands that Dave not move on with his life and instead keeping himself "pure" for the PC.
If you love Dave, let him go. Also, pay a shittonne of cash to RadLord so you get voting power, and who know? Maybe you can lift mountains.
Dave then does the logical thing and moves on with his life and has fun.
Dave chose to have agency and not eternally be a damsel hoping the PC returns to harem him.
Be like Dave.
Don't be like the people here who demands that Dave not move on with his life and instead keeping himself "pure" for the PC.
If you love Dave, let him go. Also, pay a shittonne of cash to RadLord so you get voting power, and who know? Maybe you can lift mountains.
Wilwock
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But....I love dave
But as long as we get more Dave content no matter the situation I'm happy
VPedge
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Dude this is a porn game that is a self-insert power fantasy where you have sex with hot femboys and whatever else that the dev decides to put in. Unless you like cuckoldry, seeing a character that the player wants to have sex with having sex with someone besides the PC breaks the power fantasy. What's depicted shouldn't be healthy or realistic if it breaks the power fantasy. Having Dave stay "pure" for the PC assists in the power fantasy. It shows that the PC is so awesome and so cool and has such a such a big fucking cock that Dave will only perform sexual acts with them, instead of being replicable or another notch on the belt (especially since Dave's doing it to someone who I would describe in the nicest way as pugly). Is it hypocritical or a double standard, yes. But power fantasies are filled with hypocrisies and double standards, because it's there to make the player feel good. Cheating is like the best example for this. PC can cheat on their partner because it can help the fantasy in that multiple people want PC, but if PC get's cheated on it breaks the fantasy because X person doesn't want PC anymore. But you are right on one thing, if you want this game to change you need to give RadLord money. So give him your money to stop this game's potential fall into a cuck fantasy, give more then the cucks on his patron.
TLDR: If you agree with this guy your a cuck and if you don't want his kind to corrupt this game more then they have, give Radlord your money.
And Rad my favorite little guy I know you read these so I, a nobody on a pirating bord, want to tell you some things. First, please settle on an artist or art style for the official pictures (the fan art can look as different as it wants). It's very jarring seeing differences in style and sometimes quality between everything. Generally things look good, but some of the sprites look off. It's mostly Tay (his eyes look weird but the rest is ok), Robbie (just completely get rid of his old sprites, the new ones are better), and Hazel (again weird eyes). The art style just needs to settle on one. I would recommend whoever did "Meet Tay" and "Meet Maki", but the people who did "Greg's Call", "Morning Wood Rub", "Hot Femboys In My Area?", and "Hazel's Restaurant BJ" are also good choices. My second and final thing, I don't think you know what NTR means. It's not just cheating, but the pov character is getting cheated on with a focus on degradation (e.g. "you have a micro penis, so I'm going to fuck this guy while you watch and jerk that little thing off"). It's trying to make you feel like your nothing or not worthy to help you jack off. So with how you use it in "Jeze's NTR Kitchen" isn't right with the scene, something like "Jeze's cheating Kitchen" would probably work better.
This is the hill you chose to die on to pop your posting cherry? Dude, this is a porn game. No need to get bent out of shape over some fictional femboy fellating his equally fictional boss in his fifties.
Let's see, excuse me if I complicate things with the language, I'm not one to write here, but first you lose sight of the premise of enjoying the game.
1) Did you notice that when you chat with Hazel and Robbie, you get the various options of possible relationships, right? They range from an open relationship to Monogamy with Hazel, there's a lot of variety.
2) Dave, the character is nice to me because he's the most "authentic" until the MC deflowers him, he's basically a Closet Femboy and when that happens all his fantasies and desires are unleashed, knowing about the Boss's relationship problems gave him a real kick, discreet and that he wasn't going to send him to the front with others.
There's no deception in that relationship here.
Although Dave is exploring his sexuality thoroughly, he's not in a relationship with anyone and the MC can be either with Hazel or in a Polyamorous or Harem situation.
3) The interaction with Vera is going to be a talking point because the MC in the other situations is the dominant one and enjoys the young femboys, but Vera is a different game, she must be around 30/36 years old, she likes to dominate and the MC is around 28/30 years old? And apparently it is the first time that she comes across someone like her, because she dominates the young Femboys and easily takes them to bed because of their desire to be accepted, taken and tamed, but Vera is something completely different, I hope Radlord that you make some possibility that depending on what is chosen Vera ends up dominating the MC and that he thinks a little better about what he does to others, there my contribution.
4) the 0.13 is coming out right? Whoever thinks that Hazel should be the only partner of the MC, I will tell you that it is Jez's update (I am waiting for it). and I read that there is the possibility of sex with other femboys
My question would be the two new girls or some "work" colleague of Jez? I hope so and put them in "others"
5) I have some questions about how often they get paid and how much is the rent and the fee to the MoB
1) Did you notice that when you chat with Hazel and Robbie, you get the various options of possible relationships, right? They range from an open relationship to Monogamy with Hazel, there's a lot of variety.
2) Dave, the character is nice to me because he's the most "authentic" until the MC deflowers him, he's basically a Closet Femboy and when that happens all his fantasies and desires are unleashed, knowing about the Boss's relationship problems gave him a real kick, discreet and that he wasn't going to send him to the front with others.
There's no deception in that relationship here.
Although Dave is exploring his sexuality thoroughly, he's not in a relationship with anyone and the MC can be either with Hazel or in a Polyamorous or Harem situation.
3) The interaction with Vera is going to be a talking point because the MC in the other situations is the dominant one and enjoys the young femboys, but Vera is a different game, she must be around 30/36 years old, she likes to dominate and the MC is around 28/30 years old? And apparently it is the first time that she comes across someone like her, because she dominates the young Femboys and easily takes them to bed because of their desire to be accepted, taken and tamed, but Vera is something completely different, I hope Radlord that you make some possibility that depending on what is chosen Vera ends up dominating the MC and that he thinks a little better about what he does to others, there my contribution.
4) the 0.13 is coming out right? Whoever thinks that Hazel should be the only partner of the MC, I will tell you that it is Jez's update (I am waiting for it). and I read that there is the possibility of sex with other femboys
My question would be the two new girls or some "work" colleague of Jez? I hope so and put them in "others"
5) I have some questions about how often they get paid and how much is the rent and the fee to the MoB
I want to start off by thanking you for all the feedback. Geniuenly, I do love hearing what people have to say about my game. I also want to applaud you since the 'power fantasy' angle is probably the best argument I've seen from the crowd of people who disliked the optional Dave scene.
My response to that is: Hazelnut Latte isn't about a power fantasy. I have tried to make these characters seem and act like real people. You don't earn points in relationships, instead individual actions are what affect how characters treat you. They have lives and interests outside the player. If you cheat on Hazel during the first date with Jeze, there are consequences. How you respond to characters and what you choose to do has consequences. You cannot do everything in a single playthrough. There are many game over screens. I am not trying to sell a power fantasy. Dave is an example of me doing that. You don't get to be in a relationship with Dave. You two grow apart and he moves on. There will be more characters like that, so buckle up.
No one is corrupting the game, and no one has asked for this scene specifically. I thought it would be a funny scene to see how Dave is doing. Though I have listened to feedback and have stated the changes I am making, and no one is complaining, so hopefully, everyone is happy. I'm also going back to Ep 4's script and clarifying that you are going your separate ways with Dave, and there is no hope of getting together. I thought I achieved that with subtext, but clearly, I needed to use text.
This critique is interesting since the same artist does all the art for my game. Outside of gallery unlocks, which occasionally feature guest artists or fan art I really like. (with permission, of course) But everything you see while playing the game is Kokman.
As you probably know, the game is still in development so we are constantly adding new art and updating old art. As the game goes on my artist gets better and better! This means we need to update the older content to match his newer level of quality. Which is what we're doing! All the time xD So, I appreciate the critique, and yes, we are constantly updating. Hazel is on his 4th sprite design, and I'm sure in about 2 years, when Kokman is EVEN BETTER, we'll need to update it again.
Right now we're in the process of redoing older Hazel scenes to match his newer design.
In addition, everyone seems to have a grossly different definition of NTR which makes talking about it complicated. I see NTR as just cheating, cucking optional. I knew some people wouldn't like seeing Dave be with someone else, so I warned the player and then made the scene optional. People here criticized me for not making it optional enough. Okay, fair. As I've posted previously, in v0.13, you can skip the whole thing, even the aftermath. Though now it looks like Greg has a heart attack on call, but hey, I'm just listening to player feedback.
That said, sure, I'll think of a better name for that gallery unlock. I picked NTR since I think it's accurate and has fewer characters, so it fits more easily.
Again, thank you for the feedback <3
Thanks for your response too. I'm making this to clarify some things and refute others.
For the NTR stuff, it was literally just for the gallery name. It's a pet peeve for how wrong you used it.
For the "Greg's Call" scene overall. Maybe people would have liked it more if Greg wasn't so ugly. I mean I don't want to see an old, fat, balding guy while I'm trying to jerk off to hot femboys. If Greg was at least conventionally attractive or better yet another femboy, there would still be detractors but it would at least be more palatable. I think the best choice could have been that PC and Dave keep in contact, where Dave would allude to doing sexual acts with other people but the player would never see or hear them.
Anyways, thanks for reading my last post and this post. To finish this off, I still think the cuck joke is funny so
My brethren we must protect our precious game from the evil clutches of the cuckholds that wish to corrupt it. So give your money to RadLord so that he will be washed away from this filth and his soul cleansed of cuckoldry. When our mission is done God's holy light will shine upon us, once again.
While you don't directly focus on making it a power fantasy, there are still sections that makes Hazelnut lean into being a power fantasy. This is mainly shown in how the PC perform sexual acts with Hazel and Robbie when you first meet them for no form of compensation. While they both have their reasons, it still doesn't change the fact that ten minutes after meeting them your fucking their brains out. Something like that should fall into a power fantasy.
The whole corrupting thing came out because of how you made it seem like the people on your patron didn't care or disliked the scene. I only really used corrupting because it was 4am when I was writing it and I was very sleepy and thought it would be funny to lean into "the cucks are corrupting our femboys".
If that's true then, they plays very fast and lose with the art style. Cause something like "Wash Your Femboy" looks really different to "Morning wood Rub" and especially the "Cafe Latte" series compared to everything else.
For the NTR stuff, it was literally just for the gallery name. It's a pet peeve for how wrong you used it.
For the "Greg's Call" scene overall. Maybe people would have liked it more if Greg wasn't so ugly. I mean I don't want to see an old, fat, balding guy while I'm trying to jerk off to hot femboys. If Greg was at least conventionally attractive or better yet another femboy, there would still be detractors but it would at least be more palatable. I think the best choice could have been that PC and Dave keep in contact, where Dave would allude to doing sexual acts with other people but the player would never see or hear them.
Anyways, thanks for reading my last post and this post. To finish this off, I still think the cuck joke is funny so
My brethren we must protect our precious game from the evil clutches of the cuckholds that wish to corrupt it. So give your money to RadLord so that he will be washed away from this filth and his soul cleansed of cuckoldry. When our mission is done God's holy light will shine upon us, once again.
A femboy in his 60's... Welp, thank you for giving me a psychological trauma with that imagery.
Don't really care about all this drama either way (I'm only here for Hazel, and maybe Vera), but I'd assume that making Greg's character, who currently looks like harmless giant hamster wearing human skin yet despite that already seen by some as a "rival" for other characters affection, more conventionally attractive would only trigger even more anxiety from these people.
I have a question about Hazelnut Latte. The total file size and number of images in version 0.11.5 were larger than in the current 0.12.4 version. Was some content removed, or were the image sizes and variations simply optimized?
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According to the Patreon there's likely to be a hiatus for justified reasons. RadLord, thank you very much for the great game, and take your time. Everyone else, you have been informed.
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