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In most cases they are love interests because the game has incest as an option.
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The number of games where mc can't fuck mom or sister are not few, but they still consider netorare
But regarding what you said: So we have to go the incest route first so that they become a love interest in the player's mind! Then we went to Netorare route
But regarding what you said: So we have to go the incest route first so that they become a love interest in the player's mind! Then we went to Netorare route
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You are making it more complicated than it really is. If the MC of a porn game/manga/hentai has a strong bond/connection with a female in the same game and that female enters into a situation with another male that the MC does not like or approve of it can be considered netorare because it still elicits the sensation of loss from the MC's perspective.The number of games where mc can't fuck mom or sister are not few, but they still consider netorare
But regarding what you said: So we have to go the incest route first so that they become a love interest in the player's mind! Then we went to Netorare route
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I guess I prefer the kink of seeing the girl being corrupted/seduced/stolen by the villain, with non-violent methods. It doesn't necessary need to be a "love" ending... It's just that seeing her turn into a slut that fucks anyone is not my thing.
I know a lot of NTR games go this way, but not all of them. And even for those games that do, I usually can enjoy half or most part of those games (up to the point that the fuck-fest starts, when I just fast-forward or quit).
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Sounds like you might actually enjoy Netorase/Cuckold more, it tends to stay more intimate between people in that genre where as Netorare content usually ends up as fuck-fests.
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You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.
To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.
To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.
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The relationship with wife or girlfriend or best friend is usually deep in games, but the relationship with mother and sister is not usually deep, but thank you, I understand the your word, it depends on the player himself, it depends on the player whether he can get a proper and deep connection in his mind with the characters of mom and sis or not
I'm personally not a fan of the giant orgy slut ending for characters in NTR stories, but that doesn't mean I prefer netori. Do I occasionally enjoy netori? Yes, the power trip of being the one stealing the women instead of the inverse is enjoyable in some stories and if the writing is right I'll enjoy it. However my main reason for not enjoying the slut and gangbang endings is the result for the woman in question. More often than not she'll wind up with a bunch of piercings, sometimes bad tattoos, and basically sacrifice all her self respect and intellect for constant dick.You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.
To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.
Basically I prefer it when the female characters retain their agency. Which is why I enjoy Rose's story the most in HC3. Rose may be taking dick against her will but up to this stage she's at least been under the illusion of being involved in the decision to go that route. She has decided to make sacrifices. When she first had sex with the duke it was because she had to, it was practically an NTR big goddamn heroine moment for her. Conversely it's why I don't like Cyanna's story at all as Cyanna went from a strong, confident, talented, upwardly mobile young woman into someone who I view as pitiful. She's the character who feels like she's going to wind up hanging around the house a couple buildings over from the magic shop six months after the events of the NTR ending. So I honestly wouldn't have a problem with Cyanna getting the town slut ending simply because I feel like it fits, but at the same time I'm not particularly interested in her because of this as I think it would represent her losing herself.
tldr; I don't like gangbang endings because they usually reduce the woman to little more than a drooling mess, but that doesn't mean I prefer netori.
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Well, I guess it's helpful to know that there isn't any direct correlation with netori and my theory was just a random stab in the dark — but specifically on this point you mentioned, I think we actually would be in full agreement on that. This specific aesthetic is such a colossal mood-killer for me regardless of whether it's done by one antagonist or filled to the brim with gangbangs; I just see it pop up so often in NTR generally that I don't draw any line between that and how many antagonists there are, because I'll just as often find it popping up with a story that features only one rival.
While the last part, "basically sacrifice her self respect and intellect for constant dick", already seems like kind of a staple for the series when that is pretty much exactly how I would describe the character arcs for Celis and Aywin in Chapter 2.
I've posted more than a couple "Celis and Aywin were awful" rants in this thread. The HC series does, unfortunately, fall into the brainless sluts for dick category so far but the path to that is typically not as simply straightforward as "See dick, see dick get shoved into woman with dubious consent, see woman become slave to that dick." as most NTR is. In 90% of NTR Lily would have already been raped repeatedly by the magic shop owner and probably ever noble she came across at that auction in one of her earlier updates, but N_Taii actually puts the work in to make their content more than just dick riding until they hate the ones they love. I expect the endings to be better than the women simply falling to dick for one reason: each successive HC has been a large step up from the previous one. N_Taii has great improved with each game so I have higher expectations and so far HC3 has largely met them.
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The relationship with the mother and sister IS deep, thats the point why these works can be classified as Netorare...because the MC has that strong a connection to his mom/sis and he experiences that sense of loss due to outside forces. It doesnt matter if the player can get a connection, the point is the MC.
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I don't mind if it's Netori or Netorare. I don't even care if I'm playing the girl, the girl's boyfriend, or the villain. It only changes the POV for me, nothing else. Maybe because I care about the story, but I don't really put myself in the role of the characters...You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.
To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.
I care if the story is somehow believable (not ultra far-fetched), and how the girl is corrupted/stolen (any forceful methods like rape, mind-control or hypnosis are a big nope).
Anyway, I'm clearly more of a Corruption fan than a NTR fan it seems, if my opinion is really that much unpopular...
NTR without corruption is just adultery. You can't have one without the other. Honestly the corruption is more important than the cheating, corruption is also why non romantic NTR works. You can't really prefer it over NTR and vice versa.
I like the tragedy that comes with NTR, whether if it's unavoidable because your protag is truly powerless, or it's a consequence of your actions, inaction, or failures as the player. I tend to enjoy avoidable NTR the most because I like feeling that it's my fault that the girl was corrupted. But Henteria and A Promise Best Left Unkept have been my favorite NTR stories and they're unavoidable.You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.
To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.
As for sticking with one villain or many other guys, I could like both. Like say if Duke were more possessive of Rose and wanted to steal her from Leto, that would be exciting. But if he just wanted to corrupt her and humiliate the princess he usurped, letting her be fucked by other peasants, that would also be exciting. Both scenarios would involve strong feelings towards the girl. The other reason why I love NTR is just seeing the girl's morals degrade, gradually opening herself up to more promiscuous behavior. Even better if they're still in denial and believe that they're still good people or that they love the male protag (romantically or otherwise).
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I think this is the future of his route. Especially after his story about Rose's mother, if I remember correctly.
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I think that's exactly it, if you are self inserting yourself into the game, you probably don't want to be cucked or made to feel like a loser.You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.
To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.
I like netorare but not netori. Netori is also more of a self insert kind of deal, same with netorase from what I see.
With Netorare I don't like gangbang or sharing because that takes away from the feeling of the NTR for me. If the girl is just a town bicycle, then I feel like the MC dodged a bullet and its a good thing he's not with that whore anymore. While if he had the girl stolen by what is objectively a worse guy, that in normal circumstances he should not lose to, then that's a big bonus for my enjoyment. My perspective is more from wanting to see a guy lose and be humiliated. Kind of a sadistic angle for me as the player. However, if the bad guy does all that work to steal and corrupt a girl and just gives her away to other randos, then he's less of a villain to me.
But if you self insert, it make sense you would prefer netori or outright hate netorare. Most people getting mad on the internet at that stuff are just not self aware enough to understand not everyone self inserts since they only look at things from their own perspective. Kinda the old debate about internal monologs. If you don't have one then you wont understand someone trying to explain it. And vice versa.
I don't self-insert, but I'm still able to empathize with a protagonist. I can imagine how I'd feel if I were in their shoes. Even with silent protags, I can see them as their own person, like Leto and Noah.