RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers [Update 16] [N_taii]

[BBC King]

I don't know how most ntr games end, similiar to you i can only give an estimation based on my own experiences and memory: I would say one third of netorare games have strict 1 on 1 ntr, another third has 1 on 1 ntr on different routes with different antagonists and maybe one path for all together. The last third has open ntr, fmc gets harassed by lots of different people.
A lot of times people tend to play only those games which they like. A netori lover may think most ntr games are about netori, doesn't mean that's a fact and there are only a few netorare games out there.

I dont know what type of games you are playing but netorare games and hentai I see typically revolve around 1 of 2 ending, the girl ends up pregnant living a life with the guy who stole her away or the girl ends up a slut taking dick from all directions. When I say NTR games I am saying/meaning Netorare games, I just didnt think I would need to type out "Netorare" everytime because the context should be self explanatory.

It just boils down to what you consider as ntr. I try to keep away from making this into an argument about what's ntr, pretty much everyone here has had several of these discussion in the past and besides that everyone just keeps his own definition of it anyway.

There is no argument about "what" ntr is, the argument is some people against group netorare content and some for it.

For some people a fmc turned into a town slut does not bring them the feeling of "corruption and depravity" as you say but instead a feeling that the mc "dodged a bullet". So instead of feeling bad for the (f)mc and keeping attached to the story they grow indifferent or are even happy that the mc lost got rid of the girl.

That's them projecting their own insecurities or feelings as the feelings of everyone else, its not a good example to use. This isnt a novel or a tv show, its a porn game, emphasis on "porn". If you arent here to see a girl get fucked, not sure why you are here.

Then there are others who don't feel much if it's just a 1 on 1 path, regardless of how evil or scummy the antagonist may be. True satisfication only comes once they see the fmc getting fucked by everyone, seeking out pleasure on her own.
You can spin this further and further, for some mom or sister ntr isn't ntr, others will disagree.
In the end it's either up to the dev to decide which game he wants to make or if he's open to different possibilities he let's his/her patrons decide.

So pretty much what everyone has been saying here for last few pages...ultimately it is up to the dev and seeing as to how we got some spicy Cyanna content in the bar the wind seems to be shifting in the right way.

 

[Enlight432]

Why sex a stranger with mom or sister is always considered NTR!? Even when they are not LI !
This contradicts the definition of netorare and it does not cause feelings of stress and excitement specific to NTR, or the feeling of being stolen, etc.!

 

[BBC King]

Why sex a stranger with mom or sister is always considered NTR!? Even when they are not LI !
This contradicts the definition of netorare and it does not cause feelings of stress and excitement specific to NTR, or the feeling of being stolen, etc.!

In most cases they are love interests because the game has incest as an option.

 

[Enlight432]

The number of games where mc can't fuck mom or sister are not few, but they still consider netorare
But regarding what you said: So we have to go the incest route first so that they become a love interest in the player's mind! Then we went to Netorare route

 

[BBC King]

The number of games where mc can't fuck mom or sister are not few, but they still consider netorare
But regarding what you said: So we have to go the incest route first so that they become a love interest in the player's mind! Then we went to Netorare route

You are making it more complicated than it really is. If the MC of a porn game/manga/hentai has a strong bond/connection with a female in the same game and that female enters into a situation with another male that the MC does not like or approve of it can be considered netorare because it still elicits the sensation of loss from the MC's perspective.

 

[Oriandu]

To name a really good scenario where Rose having another partner would be plausible: The Duke holds a depraved party with certain lords of the country that have control over different regions. And the party is a "masked party". Meaning Rose will wear a costume and have an alternate hairstyle and have one of those fancy Venice frilly masks that they used to have at those Rennaisance parties. If you really want to sell it you can give her a wig or die her hair with magic or give her colored contacts. And she does, being maybe convinced a bit (or believing no one will recognize her), deprave herself by walking around if a very erotic and/or light dress that hides little to the imagination and she maybe dances for the guests, and at the end of the night she is being "sold" by the duke (for political favor) to one of the guests attending, for one night. And while Rose believes nobody knows her identity, and maybe the public majority of the people attending, including the servants for example, do actually not know her, the attending "lords" know her identity and they are all bidding in political favors to get a night with her.

That would be a way to sell a scene with Rose and a partner other than the duke.

Nothing about that seems plausible.

 

[Roninsan]

Because it's not about having a monogamous relationship with the girl. They want to corrupt them, most of the time as revenge or to hurt someone else. They aren't looking to fall in love and marry the person.

I guess I prefer the kink of seeing the girl being corrupted/seduced/stolen by the villain, with non-violent methods. It doesn't necessary need to be a "love" ending... It's just that seeing her turn into a slut that fucks anyone is not my thing.

I know a lot of NTR games go this way, but not all of them. And even for those games that do, I usually can enjoy half or most part of those games (up to the point that the fuck-fest starts, when I just fast-forward or quit).

 

[BBC King]

I guess I prefer the kink of seeing the girl being corrupted/seduced/stolen by the villain, with non-violent methods. It doesn't necessary need to be a "love" ending... It's just that seeing her turn into a slut that fucks anyone is not my thing.

I know a lot of NTR games go this way, but not all of them. And even for those games that do, I usually can enjoy half or most part of those games (up to the point that the fuck-fest starts, when I just fast-forward or quit).

Sounds like you might actually enjoy Netorase/Cuckold more, it tends to stay more intimate between people in that genre where as Netorare content usually ends up as fuck-fests.

 

[Miss Y]

You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.

To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.

 

[Enlight432]

You are making it more complicated than it really is. If the MC of a porn game/manga/hentai has a strong bond/connection with a female in the same game and that female enters into a situation with another male that the MC does not like or approve of it can be considered netorare because it still elicits the sensation of loss from the MC's perspective.

The relationship with wife or girlfriend or best friend is usually deep in games, but the relationship with mother and sister is not usually deep, but thank you, I understand the your word, it depends on the player himself, it depends on the player whether he can get a proper and deep connection in his mind with the characters of mom and sis or not

 

[Oriandu]

You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.

To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.

I'm personally not a fan of the giant orgy slut ending for characters in NTR stories, but that doesn't mean I prefer netori. Do I occasionally enjoy netori? Yes, the power trip of being the one stealing the women instead of the inverse is enjoyable in some stories and if the writing is right I'll enjoy it. However my main reason for not enjoying the slut and gangbang endings is the result for the woman in question. More often than not she'll wind up with a bunch of piercings, sometimes bad tattoos, and basically sacrifice all her self respect and intellect for constant dick.

Basically I prefer it when the female characters retain their agency. Which is why I enjoy Rose's story the most in HC3. Rose may be taking dick against her will but up to this stage she's at least been under the illusion of being involved in the decision to go that route. She has decided to make sacrifices. When she first had sex with the duke it was because she had to, it was practically an NTR big goddamn heroine moment for her. Conversely it's why I don't like Cyanna's story at all as Cyanna went from a strong, confident, talented, upwardly mobile young woman into someone who I view as pitiful. She's the character who feels like she's going to wind up hanging around the house a couple buildings over from the magic shop six months after the events of the NTR ending. So I honestly wouldn't have a problem with Cyanna getting the town slut ending simply because I feel like it fits, but at the same time I'm not particularly interested in her because of this as I think it would represent her losing herself.

tldr; I don't like gangbang endings because they usually reduce the woman to little more than a drooling mess, but that doesn't mean I prefer netori.

 

[Miss Y]

More often than not she'll wind up with a bunch of piercings, sometimes bad tattoos, and basically sacrifice all her self respect and intellect for constant dick.

Well, I guess it's helpful to know that there isn't any direct correlation with netori and my theory was just a random stab in the dark — but specifically on this point you mentioned, I think we actually would be in full agreement on that. This specific aesthetic is such a colossal mood-killer for me regardless of whether it's done by one antagonist or filled to the brim with gangbangs; I just see it pop up so often in NTR generally that I don't draw any line between that and how many antagonists there are, because I'll just as often find it popping up with a story that features only one rival.

While the last part, "basically sacrifice her self respect and intellect for constant dick", already seems like kind of a staple for the series when that is pretty much exactly how I would describe the character arcs for Celis and Aywin in Chapter 2.

 

[Oriandu]

Well, I guess it's helpful to know that there isn't any direct correlation with netori and my theory was just a random stab in the dark — but specifically on this point you mentioned, I think we actually would be in full agreement on that. This specific aesthetic is such a colossal mood-killer for me regardless of whether it's done by one antagonist or filled to the brim with gangbangs; I just see it pop up so often in NTR generally that I don't draw any line between that and how many antagonists there are, because I'll just as often find it popping up with a story that features only one rival.

While the last part, "basically sacrifice her self respect and intellect for constant dick", already seems like kind of a staple for the series when that is pretty much exactly how I would describe the character arcs for Celis and Aywin in Chapter 2.

I've posted more than a couple "Celis and Aywin were awful" rants in this thread. The HC series does, unfortunately, fall into the brainless sluts for dick category so far but the path to that is typically not as simply straightforward as "See dick, see dick get shoved into woman with dubious consent, see woman become slave to that dick." as most NTR is. In 90% of NTR Lily would have already been raped repeatedly by the magic shop owner and probably ever noble she came across at that auction in one of her earlier updates, but N_Taii actually puts the work in to make their content more than just dick riding until they hate the ones they love. I expect the endings to be better than the women simply falling to dick for one reason: each successive HC has been a large step up from the previous one. N_Taii has great improved with each game so I have higher expectations and so far HC3 has largely met them.

 

[BBC King]

The relationship with wife or girlfriend or best friend is usually deep in games, but the relationship with mother and sister is not usually deep, but thank you, I understand the your word, it depends on the player himself, it depends on the player whether he can get a proper and deep connection in his mind with the characters of mom and sis or not

The relationship with the mother and sister IS deep, thats the point why these works can be classified as Netorare...because the MC has that strong a connection to his mom/sis and he experiences that sense of loss due to outside forces. It doesnt matter if the player can get a connection, the point is the MC.

 

[Enlight432]

The relationship with the mother and sister IS deep, thats the point why these works can be classified as Netorare...because the MC has that strong a connection to his mom/sis and he experiences that sense of loss due to outside forces. It doesnt matter if the player can get a connection, the point is the MC.

hmmm, thank you, I understand the issue

 

[Enlight432]

 

[Roninsan]

You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.

To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.

I don't mind if it's Netori or Netorare. I don't even care if I'm playing the girl, the girl's boyfriend, or the villain. It only changes the POV for me, nothing else. Maybe because I care about the story, but I don't really put myself in the role of the characters...

I care if the story is somehow believable (not ultra far-fetched), and how the girl is corrupted/stolen (any forceful methods like rape, mind-control or hypnosis are a big nope).

Anyway, I'm clearly more of a Corruption fan than a NTR fan it seems, if my opinion is really that much unpopular...

 

[Oriandu]

NTR without corruption is just adultery. You can't have one without the other. Honestly the corruption is more important than the cheating, corruption is also why non romantic NTR works. You can't really prefer it over NTR and vice versa.

 

[JagOvv SmearOvv]

You know, I almost have to wonder if the difference in what kind of NTR someone prefers might come down to how they engage with the story. Like how you have people who are aggressively against NTR, they'll often show a strong tendency to favor games where they can self-insert as the main character to live out some kind of sexual power fantasy where everyone falls in love with them.

To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod? Because for me, most of the appeal comes from the tragedy of the corruption in a more general sense, without really attaching it to any one particular villain (or even Leto as the protagonist). I know there is occasionally some overlap between netorare/netori/netorase as sub-genres, and netori is by far my least favorite of the three — so I feel like the inverse might be true, that people who want to keep things strictly one-on-one with the villains are much more partial to netori.

I like the tragedy that comes with NTR, whether if it's unavoidable because your protag is truly powerless, or it's a consequence of your actions, inaction, or failures as the player. I tend to enjoy avoidable NTR the most because I like feeling that it's my fault that the girl was corrupted. But Henteria and A Promise Best Left Unkept have been my favorite NTR stories and they're unavoidable.

As for sticking with one villain or many other guys, I could like both. Like say if Duke were more possessive of Rose and wanted to steal her from Leto, that would be exciting. But if he just wanted to corrupt her and humiliate the princess he usurped, letting her be fucked by other peasants, that would also be exciting. Both scenarios would involve strong feelings towards the girl. The other reason why I love NTR is just seeing the girl's morals degrade, gradually opening herself up to more promiscuous behavior. Even better if they're still in denial and believe that they're still good people or that they love the male protag (romantically or otherwise).

 

[Prince of Depression]

Like say if Duke were more possessive of Rose and wanted to steal her from Leto, that would be exciting.

I think this is the future of his route. Especially after his story about Rose's mother, if I remember correctly.