RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers [Update 18] [N_taii]

[Prince of Depression]

I think that's exactly it, if you are self inserting yourself into the game, you probably don't want to be cucked or made to feel like a loser.

Well, it's depends. The sadomasochistic component is quite thrilling. Especially if you're projecting both the MC and the main girl onto yourself. On the other hand, finding a good ntr game where you can self insert is almost impossible. In most ntr games the characters are poorly written, don't evoke any emotion or interest at all. And the game only holds up on the ntr concept itself. So yea, most of the time I just feel like a silent spectator.

To anyone who likes NTR but doesn't like the more gangbang-y style of NTR: do find yourself enjoying netori games or stories almost as much as netorare? That part of what you get out of the game is by investing a bit of yourself in characters like Zeno or Ulrod?

Not as much, but I can enjoy it. But only if the main character isn't completely douche or/and Marty Sue . For example, Mars from "Hero Party Must Fall" is a good netori protagonist. I can definitely empathize with him and play as him. He is capable of deep feelings, is somewhat hostage to circumstances, has a credible motivation, an outlook on things that changes over the course of the story.
But If the main character is the kind of edgelord who steals other people's women just because "OO HE'S BIG BLACK ALFA BULLY AND LORD OF SHADOW" then it's trash and the people who self inserts into this type of character are trash too.
But even if netori are good, it gives you a very different feeling and a very different perspective from netorare. Closer to vanilla and not as searingly excited as netorare.
Also, It's very easy to lose the sense of importance of the relationship (and its destruction) when none of its participants are the protagonist.
So in my opinion, netori is weaker than netorare. It doesn't explore the cheating theme enough, the corruption feels much weaker, because there is no jealousy and sense of loss, sense of wrongness of what's happening, the sense of dirtiness, of forbiddenness. There's also no voyeurism and many other very interesting perverted things in netori.
Sadly, In most cases, netori feels like it doesn't know what it wants to be. But of course, there are exceptions.

 

[Oriandu]

I think this is the future of his route. Especially after his story about Rose's mother, if I remember correctly.

He was in love with Rose's mom and he is pretty clearly obsessed with acquiring power, possessions, and people. However we've seen him behave in a pretty laissez-faire attitude about other people fucking his collection of maids. So there's precedent both for and against him being possessive and wanting Rose only to himself.

 

[ThatGuy_Shaggy]

I was feeling bad choosing all the revenge options because I gave Rose bad advice regarding being the queen, but after getting a taste of the NTR scenes after hours of build-up, I don't regret my choice anymore LOL

This shit is fire so far, (I haven't finished it completely, super long game), but I expect for the MC to spin back entirely when the revenge path starts to eventually kick in

 

[Enlight432]

A question:
I understand why ntr is fun and I am an ntr fan myself and I enjoy ntr games a lot
but today I read an ntr manhwa that was very heartbreaking! It was very sad! I don't know, maybe these ntrs are called hard ntr
My question is, why do some people enjoy hard ntr? That is, hard ntr texts and events are very heartbreaking and cruel, they are beyond humiliation, but normal ntr texts are not crue
I saw this type of ntr only in manhwa, I don't have any problem with the ntr game and I enjoy it a lot, but ntr manhwa...
If I couldn't convey what I meant, just read a hard ntr manhwa

 

[Matoga]

The most heartbreaking NTR i ever read is actually the most recent chapter of a series called "Proof of Life". Chapter 220 was released just a week ago and as i was reading this part i was literally holding back tears:

 

[Prince of Depression]

The most heartbreaking NTR i ever read is actually the most recent chapter of a series called "Proof of Life".

What's this? Manga series? Can't find it.

 

[Oriandu]

I was feeling bad choosing all the revenge options because I gave Rose bad advice regarding being the queen, but after getting a taste of the NTR scenes after hours of build-up, I don't regret my choice anymore LOL

This shit is fire so far, (I haven't finished it completely, super long game), but I expect for the MC to spin back entirely when the revenge path starts to eventually kick in

If it makes you feel any better the other options are at least as bad as the revenge choices and they all have the same ultimate result. In some cases you practically tell Rose to cheat on Leto.

 

[mafuyuchan001]

A question:
I understand why ntr is fun and I am an ntr fan myself and I enjoy ntr games a lot
but today I read an ntr manhwa that was very heartbreaking! It was very sad! I don't know, maybe these ntrs are called hard ntr
My question is, why do some people enjoy hard ntr? That is, hard ntr texts and events are very heartbreaking and cruel, they are beyond humiliation, but normal ntr texts are not crue
I saw this type of ntr only in manhwa, I don't have any problem with the ntr game and I enjoy it a lot, but ntr manhwa...
If I couldn't convey what I meant, just read a hard ntr manhwa

What manhwa

 

[Enlight432]

What manhwa

So close, yet so far
Landlord’s Little Daughter

 

[Enlight432]

But personally, for me NTR turns from very enjoyable to heartbreaking in only one situation: when mc lose Li, it means that she leaves you and you are still in love with her
both conditions are met: leaving, being in love

 

[moozoo]

You can't really prefer it over NTR and vice versa.

People looking for corruption tags are not automatically NTR fans. For example, corruption initiated by the MC has nothing to do with NTR in most cases.

 

[Oriandu]

People looking for corruption tags are not automatically NTR fans. For example, corruption initiated by the MC has nothing to do with NTR in most cases.

No shit. I was referring specifically to NTR. That's inferred by the literal topic we're discussing.

 

[Prince of Depression]

People looking for corruption tags are not automatically NTR fans. For example, corruption initiated by the MC has nothing to do with NTR in most cases.

Corruption without NTR don't exist, lol. And what you said is completely bs. Most games and stories with corruption contains ntr in one way or another. Even in Akabur's games, we have an option to let the heroines sleep with other dudes.
But keep coping.

 

[inye59]

Corruption without NTR don't exist, lol. And what you said is completely bs. Most games and stories with corruption contains ntr in one way or another. Even in Akabur's games, we have an option to let the heroines sleep with other dudes.
But keep coping.

Well I disagree here there are many good games with slow corruption that doesn't have NTR. Like princess of Zevran. A good slow corruption funny game. With interesting battle system.

 

[Prince of Depression]

Well I disagree here there are many good games with slow corruption that doesn't have NTR. Like princess of Zevran. A good slow corruption funny game. With interesting battle system.

That only means that it's not a "good game" and you don't know what a real corruption is.

 

[inye59]

NTR without corruption is just adultery. You can't have one without the other. Honestly the corruption is more important than the cheating, corruption is also why non romantic NTR works. You can't really prefer it over NTR and vice versa.

I can see what are you trying to say there but that is not what corruption is. A descent of morality is corruption.An act that goes from hate to shame to enjoy to provoking the action that's what corruption is

 

[inye59]

That only means that it's not a "good game" and you don't know what a real corruption is.

Another one here that wants to tell what we know and what we don't know. What is good and what is bad. Listen what you enjoy is not what it defines something not what other people enjoying. Your subjectivity has nothing to do with objectivity

 

[Prince of Depression]

Another one here that wants to tell what we know and what we don't know. What is good and what is bad. Listen what you enjoy is not what it defines something not what other people enjoying. Your subjectivity has nothing to do with objectivity

I don't care about another ntr-hater who's coping and thinking that lite BDSM without promiscuity is already MUHHH CORRUPTION. You are delusional. And nobody here is interested in your attempts to separate the inseparable - ntr and corruption. So go away and stop spamming in ntr thread.

 

[ThatGuy_Shaggy]

The most heartbreaking NTR i ever read is actually the most recent chapter of a series called "Proof of Life". Chapter 220 was released just a week ago and as i was reading this part i was literally holding back tears:

What the other dude asked, what is this? I did a quick search and didn't find much.

Corruption without NTR don't exist, lol. And what you said is completely bs. Most games and stories with corruption contains ntr in one way or another. Even in Akabur's games, we have an option to let the heroines sleep with other dudes.
But keep coping.

Idk what original topic of the argument is, but this is not really true. It's like rectangles and squares. Every square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares. NTR is almost always a form of corruption, but not all corruption is a form of NTR. Just take a lot of female main character games, where the mc becomes more of a sexual deviant as the game progresses. This in a lot of cases is not innately NTR, because it's not like there's a male figure who's getting cucked, just a lone female who become more depraved.

Or just take a regular degular game with a male mc who convinces a wallflower female character to participate in lewd acts, thus corrupting them sexually. This isn't innately NTR either, because there often again isn't an adjacent male figure who's getting NTRed. Not all corruption has to even be sexual in nature, it can just be a thing of good nature vs. evil nature, though admittedly this tends to be a bit more rare/specific in the porn genre.

All you need for corruption is an initially pure/innocent/good/etc character who becomes the opposite, impure/sinful/evil/etc. The reason why most NTR is corruption. Doesn't immediately classify corruption as NTR, though.

Just imagine any Netorare game without the MC, or a person getting cucked/cheated on/betrayed/blah blah. If you remove them from the equation, now you no longer have a NTR game, but you still do have a corruption game.

 

[Prince of Depression]

Idk what original topic of the argument is, but this is not really true. It's like rectangles and squares. Every square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares. NTR is almost always a form of corruption, but not all corruption is a form of NTR. Just take a lot of female main character games, where the mc becomes more of a sexual deviant as the game progresses. This in a lot of cases is not innately NTR, because it's not like there's a male figure who's getting cucked, just a lone female who become more depraved.

Your opinion is not really true. NTR is an essential part, not some special form of corruption. Take away this part and the whole structure falls apart like a house of cards. Female character games almost always have a pure male love interest, or a father king, or some other character who brings in elements of ntr into the game. After all, someone has to reflex the changes in the female protagonist. "male mc who convinces a wallflower female character to participate in lewd acts" is NTR. The NTR figure in such games is the male mc himself. That's why in the Akabur games, which are a great example of this, endings of total depravity are always sad for the protagonists, no matter what kind of wild crap they've done. Because they're human and can't help but create an emotional connection with a female character during their training process. Not to mention how these girls are perceived by us the players.
On the corruption of good/evil in nonporn meaning, that's a different topic altogether. I don't understand why you brought it here.

Just imagine any Netorare game without the MC, or a person getting cucked/cheated on/betrayed/blah blah. If you remove them from the equation, now you no longer have a NTR game, but you still do have a corruption game.

No, you will have a generic porn game at best. You can't throw something out of netorare, just like you can't throw something out of a formula, or else total crap will come out.