RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers [Update 16] [N_taii]

[haywire_hero]

Because that's what I was going for, actually. I didn't want to turn them into complete public sluts, but rather into the antagonists' bitches, if you get what I mean. I felt it was more NTR that way, when they willingly give up their autonomy and independance to the bad guys, rather than just whoring around. If they're just sluts, then they could totally get back with the MC, provided he's fine with them sleeping around to satisfy their urges. If they've turned to the enemy though, there's no getting them back.

Okay, this is something I wanted to address. I have one major criticism about your games. I think the outcome for the girls has no variety. Since HC1 the girls always end up in almost the same state. Basically anyone with a personality has it completely gone by the end. Which is fine, but when it's EVERYONE of the girls, it starts to get stale. Especially when you have four-ish main storylines.

You can have one of the 4 girls being more slutty, and embracing their promiscuity to shake things up. The girl being slutty doesn't mean that they'll have a reason to go for the MC. They can still feel other emotions like shame or embarrassment that MC would see them in a different light. There's still other ways to write around having one of the girls be more adventurous rather than just everyone being a muted version of themselves.

One of the reasons I liked the idea Lily story being with Tavros instead of Nezar, is because both Lily and Tavros are more interesting characters. Nezar is a very bland character and the waitress girl introduced for Tavros is also bland. So unfortuntely the two interesting characters on Lily's route are stuck with the two blandest. With one of the two interesting ones going down a path to be submissive and bland herself.

Lily story could offer something new by having her become wilder, instead of having her personality taken away like everyone. It would also introduce something different to the 4 main girls endgames. Haylen and Cyanna are similar with muted personalities. So their storylines aren't the most exciting. Rose does have a personality so seeing her corruption does result in a more meaningful change to her character. So her storyline is more interesting by default. Lily also has that chance but her inevitable "tragic" fate to become just like the rest of her people is holding the character back. Lily going down the same path we've seen over and over again, just seems like a wasted storytelling opportunity to do something different.

 

[Matoga]

Because that's what I was going for, actually. I didn't want to turn them into complete public sluts, but rather into the antagonists' bitches, if you get what I mean. I felt it was more NTR that way, when they willingly give up their autonomy and independance to the bad guys, rather than just whoring around. If they're just sluts, then they could totally get back with the MC, provided he's fine with them sleeping around to satisfy their urges. If they've turned to the enemy though, there's no getting them back.

I know that this has always been the direction of your games and i'd never tell you to change it, after all it works perfectly fine, i made this post mainly because of that other ending that i've seen people talk about so much, the "alternative" NTR ending where the girls become much more "open" i guess the correct word is, i don't know if it's only planned or guaranteed i just really like that idea and i thought i'd share what i'd like to see in it. I'm much more invested in that ending then the Revenge ending and the Happy Ending.

 

[Miss Y]

Figured it might be a good idea to requote this, since it was awhile ago but is pretty relevant to the current discussion.

Do you mean Netorase, where the MC willingly offers the women to the antagonists, or NTR where the antagonists just share the girls around until they become public use sluts?
Netorase isn't my kind of thing, and I like to keep the corruption between the antagonist and the heroine, but I'll be sprinkling some sharing on top as well. I'm also pondering making two NTR ending: one with the girls exclusive to the antagonists, one where they'll just be shared around.

Not as some clever "gotcha" about a promised feature since N_taii only ever brought up it as a loose possibility, but just so everyone is on the same page about where that idea came from.


Personally, the idea of all four girls being more or less exclusive to each antagonist (I assume there might be some exceptions along the way, but those don't really change the focus) is... pretty disappointing to me, since a hefty mark against Chapter 2 for me was that the latter half of the game started to feel very repetitive with so many isolated one-on-one scenes that followed the same general progression of events with slightly different flavors. I'm sure it comes down to individual taste, but for me, there is a world of difference between the "public sluts" kind of corruption, and just being in a relationship with a guy who isn't the player character and is kind of an asshole. There is nothing wrong with the latter, it can be very enjoyable... but doing it four times in the same game feels like such incredible overkill.

I guess the key detail would be one of agency; that it isn't the ladies going out and enthusiastically pursuing their own sexual urges, but of being brought so low that other men are able to dominate them as soon as they sense that weakness. Of starting the game and seeing a character like Haylen being respected by everyone in her congregation, or Cyanna having the unwavering loyalty of her guards... Of having some authority over them, but once some of those men start to realize how fragile that authority really is, the illusion comes crumbling down and she suddenly finds herself at the bottom of the pecking order, with the protagonist being the only one who is stubbornly adhering to that respect for them from the outside even as they are degraded by everyone else behind closed doors, slowly becoming more and more obvious.

My best guess is that it is probably too late to change course if you've already committed to this path with the antagonists, or that the second NTR ending just didn't seem worth the effort. I'm sure I will still enjoy playing the game for the most part, and if nothing else, I hope that this might be worth keeping in mind for a hypothetical Chapter 4 down the road as a potential audience that isn't really being catered to. Or maybe I'm just one of only a mere handful of Henteria fans who feel that way — who knows?

 

[Oriandu]

One thing I will say about the idea of the women gaining some level of slutty independence... I think it would work for Haylen and Lily, but not for Rose or Cyanna. With Cyanna her storyline is so tied up in her guilt over how she "abandoned" Ulrod as like a six year old kid that her sleeping around wouldn't really make much sense unless it was at his behest. Which would seem out of character for him. With Rose I would say that the same thing applies although not due to guilt. Her corruption is driven by duty and the Duke has, so far, managed to completely control that sense of duty. In the most recent update we see a flashback to his somewhat rough youth which frames the Duke as someone who wants power and control at all costs. The Duke giving up his hold on Rose's dependence upon him seems unlikely unless, again, he had her fuck someone else for his own amusement and given the fact that he has a literal harem of maids at his beck and call that doesn't seem like something he would do. Honestly I think it might be funny to have a scene where Haylen, Lily, Rose, and Cyanna have a night out on the town and at the very least Lily and potentially Haylen start fooling around with men and that leads to Cyanna and Rose rushing home to get some dick from their partners.

What I think needs to happen this time around, and which so far has actually happened, is that Leto needs to be as far removed from their actual corruption as possible. In HC1 the corruption of the main female lead was focused on protecting the MC. The maid was uninvolved and so was the sister, but they were secondary at best. In HC2, though, the corruption of Celis and Aywin was entirely built around Noah and all they managed to do was make him feel pathetic. Even in the ending where you break bad and become the new evil overlord Noah still comes across as just desperately trying to seem like the biggest bad ass in the room. All of his women are the corrupted hand me downs of his uncle and cousin and the main two spent their entire storylines undermining and belittling Noah. That shouldn't happen here. If we're to actually sympathize with Leto then he should have success, he should be shown to be independently competent. Like have the Duke continuously give him assignments that should kill him or something to that extent and for him to always survive and succeed. Or have Ulrod attempt to show Cyanna how incompetent Leto is, but Leto consistently succeeds at every task put in front of him until it's all but undeniable that he's extremely competent. Maybe even follow up on the scene from the first update if the main story where Lily indicates that he's packing. A Leto who is skilled, knowledgeable, and strong will make the NTR hurt more and it'll make the good ending better too, so long as there's no deus ex machina of course.

 

[LordFrz]

I've known that ever since it was revealed that Lily's antagonist will be Nezar and that her route will include BDSM. Even if you're not a fan of the "ugly bastard" type of NTR, Rose's corruption is just SOOO much better than any of the other girl's.

Agreed, Roses its the best so far followed by the nun stuff. I think with Nezar its a bit of a turn off because I kinda got in my head at first that the brother who owns the tavern would be the one doing the corruption. Which kinda threw me out of it when it was made to be Nazar. But the ass spanking as been solid. And if that nasty noble who was racist against her people gets a go at her then that will be amazing.

Cyanna's however ive completely written off, it's just not my to my tastes. Revealing that the guy who is corrupting her was a childhood friend who sacrificed himself to save her just makes that an OTP to me, lol. Yea he will probably share her around and such but its just not for me.

But we get amazing content for the other girls so having one or two routes that I dont care for arent an issue at all. And in all the side free roam events and there is so much for me to do!

 

[LordFrz]

One thing I will say about the idea of the women gaining some level of slutty independence... I think it would work for Haylen and Lily, but not for Rose or Cyanna. With Cyanna her storyline is so tied up in her guilt over how she "abandoned" Ulrod as like a six year old kid that her sleeping around wouldn't really make much sense unless it was at his behest. Which would seem out of character for him. With Rose I would say that the same thing applies although not due to guilt. Her corruption is driven by duty and the Duke has, so far, managed to completely control that sense of duty. In the most recent update we see a flashback to his somewhat rough youth which frames the Duke as someone who wants power and control at all costs. The Duke giving up his hold on Rose's dependence upon him seems unlikely unless, again, he had her fuck someone else for his own amusement and given the fact that he has a literal harem of maids at his beck and call that doesn't seem like something he would do. Honestly I think it might be funny to have a scene where Haylen, Lily, Rose, and Cyanna have a night out on the town and at the very least Lily and potentially Haylen start fooling around with men and that leads to Cyanna and Rose rushing home to get some dick from their partners.

What I think needs to happen this time around, and which so far has actually happened, is that Leto needs to be as far removed from their actual corruption as possible. In HC1 the corruption of the main female lead was focused on protecting the MC. The maid was uninvolved and so was the sister, but they were secondary at best. In HC2, though, the corruption of Celis and Aywin was entirely built around Noah and all they managed to do was make him feel pathetic. Even in the ending where you break bad and become the new evil overlord Noah still comes across as just desperately trying to seem like the biggest bad ass in the room. All of his women are the corrupted hand me downs of his uncle and cousin and the main two spent their entire storylines undermining and belittling Noah. That shouldn't happen here. If we're to actually sympathize with Leto then he should have success, he should be shown to be independently competent. Like have the Duke continuously give him assignments that should kill him or something to that extent and for him to always survive and succeed. Or have Ulrod attempt to show Cyanna how incompetent Leto is, but Leto consistently succeeds at every task put in front of him until it's all but undeniable that he's extremely competent. Maybe even follow up on the scene from the first update if the main story where Lily indicates that he's packing. A Leto who is skilled, knowledgeable, and strong will make the NTR hurt more and it'll make the good ending better too, so long as there's no deus ex machina of course.

I 100% agree, the netorare is so much more impactful when the MC is competent. He does everything correctly but still loses. Its why games where I have to play poorly to get NTR scenes suck ass. For impactful NTR the MC needs to have his girls stolen out from under him when he did nothing wrong. He killed the evil demon lord no sweat, but the shitty old wizard still fucked his girl.

 

[LordFrz]

One thing i really hope N_Taii will implement towards the end of the game is that i really wanna see the girls be more independent once they're fully corrupted, what i mean is that in both HC1 and HC2 the girls were only involved in sexual acts whenever their antagonists initiated it but that didn't really give you the "they're completly addicted to sex and are total sluts" vibe. I can only name 2 scenes in HC2 where the main girls did something like that, there was that one freeroam event during the NTR ending where Celis was giving a blowjob to a random solider next to the windmill and her reason for that was that Edwyr was away and she couldn't go that long without dick. The other one was the scene for Aywin where seduced the guards in front of Noah's room so that Noah can leave the house. I really wanna see the 4 main girls go out of their way and actively search for sexual activities whenever their antagonists are not around even if it'll lead them to the brothel that's next to the Northern exit of the city. There was this one PoL not that long ago where N_Taii was talking about

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and i had this idea where Rose "bonds" with Stenia (the maid) over their new found hobby(The Duke) and after a while Stenia starts taking Rose out to the city for some fun, another one is that Nezar's brother could offer Lily a job as a whore at the Tavern for example, Haylen could start serving men in a confession booth, Cyanna could start sleeping with guards in the casern etc.

I dont want all the girls to just be town bicycles. That ruins the ntr for me and just makes it a pure corruption game. The girl isn't stolen, shes just turned into a skank. Im fine with one or two being town meat holes, but I want some of them to just be stolen by one guy.

 

[Oriandu]

Agreed, Roses its the best so far followed by the nun stuff. I think with Nezar its a bit of a turn off because I kinda got in my head at first that the brother who owns the tavern would be the one doing the corruption. Which kinda threw me out of it when it was made to be Nazar. But the ass spanking as been solid. And if that nasty noble who was racist against her people gets a go at her then that will be amazing.

Cyanna's however ive completely written off, it's just not my to my tastes. Revealing that the guy who is corrupting her was a childhood friend who sacrificed himself to save her just makes that an OTP to me, lol. Yea he will probably share her around and such but its just not for me.

But we get amazing content for the other girls so having one or two routes that I dont care for arent an issue at all. And in all the side free roam events and there is so much for me to do!

I assume by "OTP" you mean "one true pairing" and under normal circumstances I would agree with you, however Ulrod is quite obviously evil. If N_Taii were to soften him in any way it would seem grossly out of character since we've seen him fuck around, emotionally manipulate Cyanna, and outright force himself on her when she didn't want it. I would call Cyanna and Ulrod an inverted OTP. I admit, my interest in Cyanna's corruption is also far lesser than it is for Lily, Haylen, and especially Rose, and it is lesser due to the history between Cyanna and Ulrod. In my case it's less about them being an animu trope and more about them simply being a bad pairing. Ulrod is boring and nothing about him so far has really lived up to the idea that he'd be able to corrupt another person with nothing but foreplay.

The Duke exudes power, control, and prowess, Haylen's naivety makes her storyline work, I'm not interested in Lily since she's going to wind up hog tied to a post at some point due to her being the token BDSM character but the idea of her storyline being heavily involved in classism is an interesting one. But Cyanna? She feels bad and she's jealous that her surrogate brother is with someone else. I like her scenes because I like her design, but I'm not exactly enthralled.

 

[GKoGapKung]

Thx. Cool game

 

[iCrown24]

Because that's what I was going for, actually. I didn't want to turn them into complete public sluts, but rather into the antagonists' bitches, if you get what I mean. I felt it was more NTR that way, when they willingly give up their autonomy and independance to the bad guys, rather than just whoring around. If they're just sluts, then they could totally get back with the MC, provided he's fine with them sleeping around to satisfy their urges. If they've turned to the enemy though, there's no getting them back.

Although it wouldn't be bad to see them with men other than their main antagonists, I remember that in HC2 towards the end of the game there is a scene where one of the protagonists has sex with two military men because her antagonist was far away and she wanted to have sex.

It could look good if she does it towards the end of the game, and it wouldn't necessarily have to be an event that repeats several times.

 

[Oriandu]

Although it wouldn't be bad to see them with men other than their main antagonists, I remember that in HC2 towards the end of the game there is a scene where one of the protagonists has sex with two military men because her antagonist was far away and she wanted to have sex.

It could look good if she does it towards the end of the game, and it wouldn't necessarily have to be an event that repeats several times.

You're misremembering that scene. Aywin fucks those two guards because it's the only thing she can think of to help Noah escape to save and or doom the day. Yes she enjoys it, yes she's a whoore at that point, but it was the last motherly brain cell in her head trying to do the right thing for the first time in God knows how long. She didn't do it because she was too horny without whatever the hell the bad guy in HC2's name was, she did it because in her own delusional way she was caring for her dipshit son who, God forbid, should have just snuck out through a back window.

 

[iCrown24]

You're misremembering that scene. Aywin fucks those two guards because it's the only thing she can think of to help Noah escape to save and or doom the day. Yes she enjoys it, yes she's a whoore at that point, but it was the last motherly brain cell in her head trying to do the right thing for the first time in God knows how long. She didn't do it because she was too horny without whatever the hell the bad guy in HC2's name was, she did it because in her own delusional way she was caring for her dipshit son who, God forbid, should have just snuck out through a back window.

Thanks for the correction dude, it's been a while since I played HC2 and I don't remember many details of the story or events.

But anyway I think my message is understood, or so I hope xd

 

[quandin]

You're misremembering that scene. Aywin fucks those two guards because it's the only thing she can think of to help Noah escape to save and or doom the day. Yes she enjoys it, yes she's a whoore at that point, but it was the last motherly brain cell in her head trying to do the right thing for the first time in God knows how long. She didn't do it because she was too horny without whatever the hell the bad guy in HC2's name was, she did it because in her own delusional way she was caring for her dipshit son who, God forbid, should have just snuck out through a back window.

I doubt Noah could jump that lenght without breaking half the bones in his body lol

 

[Oriandu]

It's not even that high of a drop and he could have easily just hopped into a nearby tree. I am honestly hoping N_Taii keeps Leto as competent as he's been presented so far, the last thing HC3 needs is for Leto to turn into Noah.

 

[iCrown24]

It's not even that high of a drop and he could have easily just hopped into a nearby tree. I am honestly hoping N_Taii keeps Leto as competent as he's been presented so far, the last thing HC3 needs is for Leto to turn into Noah.

I agree, Noah was kind of slow and naive a lot of times, I don't know if it was exactly like that but I remember a scene where Noah discovered some potions or something that gave me power to Zeno (was that the name of Aywin's antagonist no?), and instead of taking more potions as evidence and taking them to the village as proof or even to the authorities he left them there confined in that magically Zeno wouldn't realize that Noah discovered his plans and might rat him out.

I like Leto more as a protagonist because he is more intelligent and competent, and possibly already suspects that something is going on behind his back (proof of this is one of the dreams he has).

Like you I hope he keeps that personality throughout the game, obviously there will come a point where he has to be naive (otherwise the game loses some fun) but I trust that N_taii will know how to keep the character's personality.

Honestly, even though I didn't like the revenge ending in HC2, I'm looking forward to see how that ending will be this time with a protagonist with more personality.

 

[Eldorra]

really good feedback last guys . i also hope for the girls to lewd stuff without their antagonist by the end. cyanna with casern people etc. would be great.

 

[Oriandu]

I could see Ulrod having Cyanna sleep with people in the guard to prove her loyalty to him, but I still think it would be very out of character for him to let Cyanna do whoever she wants.

 

[Nifferman]

I could see Ulrod having Cyanna sleep with people in the guard to prove her loyalty to him, but I still think it would be very out of character for him to let Cyanna do whoever she wants.

Nah , he is too possessive, maybe he'll let the Duke sleep with her but I don't think he'll allow any Tom, dike and Harry to f her

 

[Miss Y]

Nah , he is too possessive

Is he, though?

I mean, it would make sense in theory given his whole backstory, but we haven't really seen that much at all from him, at least based on what I can recall off the top of my head. His whole introduction with Sergeant Alys actually drives home the point that he isn't possessive. There's an argument that he would feel differently about Cyanna given their personal connection because she is special compared to someone like Alys, but have we seen any instance where that was actually tested?

I do think it is a pretty safe bet that it will turn out to be true given what started this conversation — that N_taii wants the focus to be each girl's antagonist — but I just don't think it has been established yet and acting like that is already baked into his character as some core trait that just makes it impossible is more a matter of personal preference than anything.

 

[Oriandu]

Nah , he is too possessive, maybe he'll let the Duke sleep with her but I don't think he'll allow any Tom, dike and Harry to f her

Yeah, I don't actually expect it to happen, I'm just saying I could see it as a possibility.

Is he, though?

I mean, it would make sense in theory given his whole backstory, but we haven't really seen that much at all from him, at least based on what I can recall off the top of my head. His whole introduction with Sergeant Alys actually drives home the point that he isn't possessive. There's an argument that he would feel differently about Cyanna given their personal connection because she is special compared to someone like Alys, but have we seen any instance where that was actually tested?

I do think it is a pretty safe bet that it will turn out to be true given what started this conversation — that N_taii wants the focus to be each girl's antagonist — but I just don't think it has been established yet and acting like that is already baked into his character as some core trait that just makes it impossible is more a matter of personal preference than anything.

We haven't seen an instance where it's tested, but he doesn't treat Cyanna anywhere near as poorly as he does Alys. Alys is a toy, something he can play with and discard, then only return to if he needs something from her or has a reason to remind her of her position beneath him. Cyanna isn't necessarily special but I'd wager she's more along the lines of personal property to Ulrod. He's not in this situation for Alys she's just something to jizz in when he feels like it, he is, however, at least partially in this situation for Cyanna. There's a very good chance that the Duke chose him not because of his competence but because he knew that Ulrod had it out for Cyanna and having a guard captain subjugated by her commander on a physical, sexual, and emotional level would mean that the Duke would control the city guard outright. So because Ulrod is specifically obsessed with Cyanna I'd wager there's a very good chance he won't let anyone else touch her unless it's either to establish his dominance over her or because someone is establishing their dominance over him.