Ren'Py Hero Party Must Fall [v0.5.0 Bugfix 2] [Nitrolith]
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- Dec 31, 2018
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I enjoyed this game a lot. Over the years, I repeatedly returned to the thread and kept putting it off for more content. This gets a bit wordy, but hopefully, this helps the developer get some inspiration or develop their ideas further.
Control
Mars seems to believe that being fully in control is necessary to get what he wants in life; he wants to be in a higher position than others. I'm bringing this up because of the comments in-game about maybe having branching paths without Hilda's influence.
Love Interests
TL;DR - I didn't ask for H-scenes for these characters, but just assume that's what these text dumps are.
Minigames
These are my thoughts on how the minigames could be improved.
Intentional? Bugs?
I probably forgot some I came across but there also wasn't many I encountered. One I did was the Iris bug but the reset worked.
Questions/Suggestions
I don't expect an answer to all or even any of these questions. I just want the dev to know some questions players might have, and some of this stuff could be explained in the game.
In case any of this comes across as complaining or me wanting the story my way, it isn't intended that way. I hope it at least gives the dev some things to think about and helps to further develop your story. Great job, and I look forward to the future of the game.
Control
Mars seems to believe that being fully in control is necessary to get what he wants in life; he wants to be in a higher position than others. I'm bringing this up because of the comments in-game about maybe having branching paths without Hilda's influence.
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Love Interests
TL;DR - I didn't ask for H-scenes for these characters, but just assume that's what these text dumps are.
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Minigames
These are my thoughts on how the minigames could be improved.
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Intentional? Bugs?
I probably forgot some I came across but there also wasn't many I encountered. One I did was the Iris bug but the reset worked.
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Questions/Suggestions
I don't expect an answer to all or even any of these questions. I just want the dev to know some questions players might have, and some of this stuff could be explained in the game.
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In case any of this comes across as complaining or me wanting the story my way, it isn't intended that way. I hope it at least gives the dev some things to think about and helps to further develop your story. Great job, and I look forward to the future of the game.
In the vast world of adult-themed and erotic games, there exists a multitude that adheres to more conventional and restrained content, respecting individual boundaries, however, it remains exceptionally rare to encounter content that ventures into the more "unconventional" realms of adult gaming.
It's about time we get some truly bizarre and mind-bending creations that prompt one to ponder the sanity of its creator. This unconventional genre is not for everyone, and that's perfectly fine. If you find yourself uncomfortable with the eccentric side, fear not, as there are still countless other adult games waiting to be explored that align with more conventional inclinations.
As for me, i wouldn't mind if it gets even more bizarre down the line.
The predominant issue of this alpha centers on the need for overall polish. Take, for instance, the music themes accompanying the scenes; they come across as hastily executed and frequently fall short to encapsulate the intended intensity of the moments, something that is a hallmark of this game.
Ultimately, this is an alpha version and the fact we have no crash issues and something more troublesome is awesome.
Man, I always come back to this game every update for some peak porn then get sucker punched by tragic stories. As someone who isn't really even into the feminization content, the story behind it is more gut wrenching than funny. Seeing Erin mentally degrade over the course of the game only to be so utterly bullied and dominated by some of the women he trusts most sans Sera hurts. Yeah, he's a childish dick but those moments you can really see that he's just yearning for affection and he's being completely deprived of it from everyone around him is depressing. In the training scenes he's shutting off his brain to cope and the few moments he regains some semblance of sanity hurts to watch. Those few moments of clarity and desperation in his voice that follows when he realizes that he's been abandoned and he's forced to latch on to his mother's fanatic worship of Mars because deep down he realizes that's his only option is horrifying.
I also really like how Mars handles him and how Erin's suffering furthers Mars' guilt. When Mars finally confronts Erin and tells him to be his girl, its both sad to see Erin's world finally collapse around him while Mars offers him the one route to salvation. Its not even just Erin and Mars, but everyone surrounding them. His mother who's so desperate for him to live to the point that she degrades both herself and him, Sera's futile struggle to win over Erin and even Cecille's borderline comical evil yet also believable attitude towards him. Seeing Erin being held by Mars crying his eyes out and begging for the small moment of happiness to be real while Mars tells Erin that he's right to hate him and promising him a better life feels both depressing and cathartic. Even when they finally have sex, Erin is constantly degrading himself to feel good because its really the only kind of sex he knows due to all of his grooming by the women around him. Mars telling him that he's going to build back Erin's self esteem was much needed.
The story is criminally good.
I also really like how Mars handles him and how Erin's suffering furthers Mars' guilt. When Mars finally confronts Erin and tells him to be his girl, its both sad to see Erin's world finally collapse around him while Mars offers him the one route to salvation. Its not even just Erin and Mars, but everyone surrounding them. His mother who's so desperate for him to live to the point that she degrades both herself and him, Sera's futile struggle to win over Erin and even Cecille's borderline comical evil yet also believable attitude towards him. Seeing Erin being held by Mars crying his eyes out and begging for the small moment of happiness to be real while Mars tells Erin that he's right to hate him and promising him a better life feels both depressing and cathartic. Even when they finally have sex, Erin is constantly degrading himself to feel good because its really the only kind of sex he knows due to all of his grooming by the women around him. Mars telling him that he's going to build back Erin's self esteem was much needed.
The story is criminally good.
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Dev may correct me on this, but I think that system is not solidly implemented yet. You'll see story-based changes in affection, but the affection gained from training doesn't seem to have any effect right now.
I think this is an important part to ponder on, because anytime I think about this game, the question 'How much of this do I believe Erin deserves and where would I feel bad?' always comes up at some point.
Erin is portrayed as an antagonist as the game starts, but he loses any danger he has quickly. The right word is incapable. He becomes incapable of doing anything or stemming the tide very quickly, and thus loses any threat potential he has. But then again, if Erin was a physically and mentally strong character, I don't believe I would enjoy experiencing the game. If there was any real threat from Erin, towards Cecille or Sera for example, I would be turned off. Him being weak is also the reason he is incapable. This, coupled with his stubbornness to accept reality is the reason he is unable to change his environment.
I have seen men like this, and I believe every man has experienced this to a degree. Maybe not as weak as Erin, but any man who could not cope with loneliness and did not have a male figure to guide him behaves in this way in various degrees. He lets any woman who shows a shred of attention to walk over him, puts her on a pedestal and refuses to change his perspective on any matter regarding her. This then can somewhat justify what Erin suffers through. He makes his bed, now he has to lie in it. But he also lacks a male parental figure, so he has no guidance.
However, I think Erin's biggest sin is his pride and indulgence, much like Cecille. He has no self-discipline or patience, and he cannot envision what decisions might lead to long-term. So once again, the things he suffers through are somewhat justifiable.
I believe this dynamic to be very hard to balance
In retrospect, Sera is a much stronger character with how she handles her pain and humiliation. She doesn't flinch from reality and always tries to fight it.
I find it very funny that it is this thread that generates this much philosophical queries regarding 2D smut drawings/animations, and it is the only thread where I enjoy participating to the conversation. I've written this many times, but this game is very well written and thought out. What a good job by the developer.
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Really shows how important writing is. Just the pillow talks are so well written. Each character is distinct and feels like an actual "character", rather than the author's sock puppet.
The great music also helps, really like the pillow talk ost.
The great music also helps, really like the pillow talk ost.
I like your take on it. Erin is a prideful bastard and to be fair he does threaten Mars with some serious shit from time to time. But as you said Erin lacks a male parental figure and is in a genuinely fucked up situation. He has no father, Elena's spoiling never really allowed him to mature and Cecille, well her entire existence is engineered to make Erin suffer even more. Even worse, his entire life is essentially a trial made by the goddess for her amusement. Dude's growth is stunted both physically and mentally and he's been purposefully raised this way. Its arguable that Erin has little to no personal agency. The only one not manipulating him, intentionally or not, is Sera. I find it difficult to blame the dude too much because it doesn't even really feel like he's living his own life.I think this is an important part to ponder on, because anytime I think about this game, the question 'How much of this do I believe Erin deserves and where would I feel bad?' always comes up at some point.
Erin is portrayed as an antagonist as the game starts, but he loses any danger he has quickly. The right word is incapable. He becomes incapable of doing anything or stemming the tide very quickly, and thus loses any threat potential he has. But then again, if Erin was a physically and mentally strong character, I don't believe I would enjoy experiencing the game. If there was any real threat from Erin, towards Cecille or Sera for example, I would be turned off. Him being weak is also the reason he is incapable. This, coupled with his stubbornness to accept reality is the reason he is unable to change his environment.
I have seen men like this, and I believe every man has experienced this to a degree. Maybe not as weak as Erin, but any man who could not cope with loneliness and did not have a male figure to guide him behaves in this way in various degrees. He lets any woman who shows a shred of attention to walk over him, puts her on a pedestal and refuses to change his perspective on any matter regarding her. This then can somewhat justify what Erin suffers through. He makes his bed, now he has to lie in it. But he also lacks a male parental figure, so he has no guidance.
However, I think Erin's biggest sin is his pride and indulgence, much like Cecille. He has no self-discipline or patience, and he cannot envision what decisions might lead to long-term. So once again, the things he suffers through are somewhat justifiable.
I believe this dynamic to be very hard to balance
In retrospect, Sera is a much stronger character with how she handles her pain and humiliation. She doesn't flinch from reality and always tries to fight it.
I find it very funny that it is this thread that generates this much philosophical queries regarding 2D smut drawings/animations, and it is the only thread where I enjoy participating to the conversation. I've written this many times, but this game is very well written and thought out. What a good job by the developer.
JESUS WHERE IS IT THE FULL SAVE, THE GALLERY, THE MODS?
(a full save would be enough for now, please)
(a full save would be enough for now, please)
- Dec 31, 2021
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It's in a folder that I name sooo the "HeroVN" goes in your appdata\roaming\renpy folder [NOTE: I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR RENPY SAVES GOES SOO IT COULD BE EITHER ON YOUR "C" DRIVE OR "D" DRIVER, MAKE SURE TO CHECK BEFORE PASTING IT]also the game already has gallery in it called memories, You have to play a little to be able to access It.
Yes I have 96 pages worth of save because the games that good with some great content, Really like the game lol while uploading 11 files from the save were unreadable for some reason don't worry about It its just first 9 saves I believe... and I doubt you wanted the save for that reason since its a renpy game haha.......
Almost forgot to mention this. I don't know If your game will show the new content that was added for erina and elena in your memories since It doesn't for me. I'm guessing that's because this in alpha right now or because I've been using my old save. So, you might have to go through the page saves to view them.
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BRUH. I thought I was the only one having 90+ pages worth of pages lol.
And for me when a new update drops I cant see the new cg from the memory tab and have to play thru the update to get em
LMAO both erin AND mars have NO father figure.
They're 2sides if the same coin.
Mars had his sexualy abusive step mom, trained to seduce.
Erin had his sexualy repressive mom, trained to serve.
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There's also the added fact of the matter about emotions: this game actually understands women to a shocking degree.
Women LOVE emotions. It's the law to them, more than objective truth, beliefs, or responsibility.
Mar's: step-mom taught him to weaponize emotions. Using it to cause a rollercoaster of emotions, gaslighting, love bombing, and pure physical attraction. He is the ultimate weapon against women. It even killed his step-mother(she was insane tho)
Nothing kills a woman more than a pimp.
Erin's: Mom taught him to repression and servitude. Her love language was service and attention seeking, and it's all she really taught him. She taught him caretaking, cooking, cleaning, even washing(he did it for Cecile often) If do 'x' I will get love. His Pededestal placing of women as taught by his mother. She was the BEST priestess by far, and very sexy. And she was the one who originally used to 'service-reward' structure he lived by. When he struggled with insecurities, she only offered the same 'service-reward' structure for life which left him emotionaly unequiped for the real mean world.
She also only had eyes for her son and wanted him to be the ideal man she couldn't have for herself. She often crossed the line taking naked baths with him past his naive age, and even having him rub her feet so much he became a foot fetishist.
The ogling he did to her went un-discussed and normalized. Erin unabashedly mentions Elena's body in public in a very Freudian way.
As mother and son, Elena never set boundaries, while Erin seems so never have crossed it out of fear. He grew up to be emotionally stunted, timid around women, and to serve them.
Cecile only took one look at him a when they met, she was disappointed with him.
Nothing digusts a woman more than a wimp
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Cecile becomes the nexus of these two males.
Where as Mars was taught to break women like Cecile
Erin was taught to be enslaved to them.
It was doomed from the start.
The memories tab is never updated on the alpha, only on the next ones (bugfixes), you guys will have to wait to see Erina/Elena scenes on the gallery
Couple of theories/hopes:
-Hellele and the Goddess are the same person
-One of the bad endings Erin finds out everything, kills the whole party, and razes the entire world to the ground. the reaction pleases the goddess and turning him into a world ending god of rage. (He will only amount to a garbage disposer of worlds)
-Erin finds out and teams up with the demon king against both goddess and Hellele. (And the party)
-Hellele was possessing Mars bio-mom, step mom +Hilda the whole time.
-Elena's incestuous tendencies progress even further with Erin.
-Sera stops fighting, gives the hero energy to Mars and becomes impregnated in a public marriage ceremony.
-vi gets captured. ON PURPOSE.
-entire timeline reset shenanigans
-Mars kills Hilda once and for all.
-Mars fully combines with the hero energy becoming a brand new lifeform due to half demon blood. Becomes a threat to demon king or even the goddess+Hellele.
-Cecile tries to kill vi. Every skill she learns during training she uses against Mars in some way.
-Mars offers the greatest gift to Elena. Instead of making him righteous, she simply rights his wrongs instead. He gives her the ability to find all his children so she can raise them with the warmth he never had. Including the one they have together.
-Mars fights the demon king with the hero energy and takes his place as ruler of demon kind.
-Mars figures out a way to escape the reality to save himself and allies or traps Hellele AND the goddess in it. The wolrds magic begins to drain without the 2 biggest sources.
-Mars chooses Sera as his waifu (ending/sidequest) he saves her dredzen people, but ALL them are his concubines. Massive orgy ending.
-Mars chooses Erin as his waifu(ending) game ends without explaining JACK SHIT
-Mars saves whole pigobi race(sidequest) they all become his concubines (because of course) all except one which tries to save iris's exboyfriend from his hell. Actually uno reverse carding both iris and her ex. Iris is devastated thinking she might have been wrong.... For like 2 minutes. Dick solves everything. Happier end for the ex tho.
-Cecile ACTUALLY MEETS her mom. She a dirty GILF who owns a brothel and has a reputation for highjacking her girls sex work if the customer is handsome enough. She tries to steal Mars from Cecile because of course. Cecile friggin kills her(bad end?). Mind break ensues. Would Mars cheat on Cecile with her own MOM who abandoned her?(yes, just to fuck with her)
-Hellele and the Goddess are the same person
-One of the bad endings Erin finds out everything, kills the whole party, and razes the entire world to the ground. the reaction pleases the goddess and turning him into a world ending god of rage. (He will only amount to a garbage disposer of worlds)
-Erin finds out and teams up with the demon king against both goddess and Hellele. (And the party)
-Hellele was possessing Mars bio-mom, step mom +Hilda the whole time.
-Elena's incestuous tendencies progress even further with Erin.
-Sera stops fighting, gives the hero energy to Mars and becomes impregnated in a public marriage ceremony.
-vi gets captured. ON PURPOSE.
-entire timeline reset shenanigans
-Mars kills Hilda once and for all.
-Mars fully combines with the hero energy becoming a brand new lifeform due to half demon blood. Becomes a threat to demon king or even the goddess+Hellele.
-Cecile tries to kill vi. Every skill she learns during training she uses against Mars in some way.
-Mars offers the greatest gift to Elena. Instead of making him righteous, she simply rights his wrongs instead. He gives her the ability to find all his children so she can raise them with the warmth he never had. Including the one they have together.
-Mars fights the demon king with the hero energy and takes his place as ruler of demon kind.
-Mars figures out a way to escape the reality to save himself and allies or traps Hellele AND the goddess in it. The wolrds magic begins to drain without the 2 biggest sources.
-Mars chooses Sera as his waifu (ending/sidequest) he saves her dredzen people, but ALL them are his concubines. Massive orgy ending.
-Mars chooses Erin as his waifu(ending) game ends without explaining JACK SHIT
-Mars saves whole pigobi race(sidequest) they all become his concubines (because of course) all except one which tries to save iris's exboyfriend from his hell. Actually uno reverse carding both iris and her ex. Iris is devastated thinking she might have been wrong.... For like 2 minutes. Dick solves everything. Happier end for the ex tho.
-Cecile ACTUALLY MEETS her mom. She a dirty GILF who owns a brothel and has a reputation for highjacking her girls sex work if the customer is handsome enough. She tries to steal Mars from Cecile because of course. Cecile friggin kills her(bad end?). Mind break ensues. Would Mars cheat on Cecile with her own MOM who abandoned her?(yes, just to fuck with her)