Ren'Py Hero Party Must Fall [v0.5.3] [Nitrolith]

[Nadekai]

How to sex Mihra?

 

[Nadekai]

Who is that?

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

That's Sera in her Yoruichi arc. Frankly the best piece of Sera nitro has ever drawn tbh.

The thing is Nitro's art has improved over time so characters look nothing like they used to. And he by his own admission doesn't always spend the most effort he could on all pieces of art due to time constraints, so sometimes they look rather different when he does bother.

...Actually. I just noticed Sera is exactly the same as Yoruichi. Hair is a bit more purplish but that's it. I guess the art being so horrible at the start kinda blocked me from making the connection.

I always wondered if it was meant to be an intentional artistic decision that for example, Cecile gets hotter and hotter. Like obviously art style improvements and story changes like her deciding to work out are one thing, but I feel like even the angles are more flattering, or for example way less emphasis on traditionally unattractive aspects like armpit hair, fat rolls, or roided-levels of muscles etc. I could just be gaslighting myself tho

 

[FFTW]

This is the first update that I didn't like at all. I REALLY didn't like the direction Elena's story went. I want the old Elena back .

Heck, I finished it a while ago but didn't even feel like posting about it then because of how disappointed I was.

 

[seville21]

This is the first update that I didn't like at all. I REALLY didn't like the direction Elena's story went. I want the old Elena back .

Heck, I finished it a while ago but didn't even feel like posting about it then because of how disappointed I was.

what part did you dislike? she pimping eren? or mars ruining her reputation a la NTRHolic? personally I am not a big fan of the ending where mars accepts her as his mom id rather she move on from that and become his wife without any weird power dynamics like that.

 

[FFTW]

what part did you dislike? she pimping eren? or mars ruining her reputation a la NTRHolic? personally I am not a big fan of the ending where mars accepts her as his mom id rather she move on from that and become his wife without any weird power dynamics like that.

All of it. I loved the earlier part when they were in the cave, as the struggle there felt impactful. It felt to me like a fight between love (Elena) and pain (Mars). Elena wanted to heal him, as well as atone for her own sins in being part of the cause for his condition, but to heal a heavily bandaged injury you need to remove the bandages and expose it, which is scary, and healing its self can be a painful process. So Mars' pain was lashing out, trying to corrupt her before that happens, because on the inside he was afraid. He was even lying to himself at times, which is a natural thing for people to do in such cases.

That struggle was fascinating, and I was on Elena's side all the way. I thought/expected/wanted that the route's story will be Elena gradually healing Mars, and Mars gradually giving up on his lashing out and corruption attempts and accepting her love. I thought/expected/wanted that route to be the healing route, the really emotional route where both sides win after overcoming their severe pains.

Instead we got elena being turned into an exhibitionist out of nowhere, torturing her own son "because it is better for him", literally going insane, and becoming known as a whore to everyone.

So yeah, I hated pretty much everything about Elena in this update. Though Ironically enough the couple lines at the end with Mars breaking down and finally accepting her were actually the only part that I liked.

 

[kinglionheart]

All of it. I loved the earlier part when they were in the cave, as the struggle there felt impactful. It felt to me like a fight between love (Elena) and pain (Mars). Elena wanted to heal him, as well as atone for her own sins in being part of the cause for his condition, but to heal a heavily bandaged injury you need to remove the bandages and expose it, which is scary, and healing its self can be a painful process. So Mars' pain was lashing out, trying to corrupt her before that happens, because on the inside he was afraid. He was even lying to himself at times, which is a natural thing for people to do in such cases.

That struggle was fascinating, and I was on Elena's side all the way. I thought/expected/wanted that the route's story will be Elena gradually healing Mars, and Mars gradually giving up on his lashing out and corruption attempts and accepting her love. I thought/expected/wanted that route to be the healing route, the really emotional route where both sides win after overcoming their severe pains.

Instead we got elena being turned into an exhibitionist out of nowhere, torturing her own son "because it is better for him", literally going insane, and becoming known as a whore to everyone.

So yeah, I hated pretty much everything about Elena in this update. Though Ironically enough the couple lines at the end with Mars breaking down and finally accepting her were actually the only part that I liked.

I think this is going back to the dev's intention for Mars. He is incapable of helping people. Even if he wants to his actions will cause the person's life to be worse. Like everything he did to the NPCs. Mars is meant to be a tragic character who ruins everything he touches.

 

[FFTW]

I think this is going back to the dev's intention for Mars. He is incapable of helping people. Even if he wants to his actions will cause the person's life to be worse. Like everything he did to the NPCs. Mars is meant to be a tragic character who ruins everything he touches.

He wasn't the one helping though, at all. Elena was. What I imagined is him constantly trying to break and hurt her, while at the same time he is gradually being healed and turned by her. That against her his hurt will heal and corruption will fail. Reaching a crescendo in which he finally accepts that she is the one that changed him. She would be saving him, not the other way around. So that doesn't contradict Mars' personality, it is just that she would be able to overcome that and heal him.

 

[kinglionheart]

He wasn't the one helping though, at all. Elena was. What I imagined is him constantly trying to break and hurt her, while at the same time he is gradually being healed and turned by her. That against her his hurt will heal and corruption will fail. Reaching a crescendo in which he finally accepts that she is the one that changed him. She would be saving him, not the other way around. So that doesn't contradict Mars' personality, it is just that she would be able to overcome that and heal him.

But did Mars ruin Elena after touching her?

 

[FFTW]

But did Mars ruin Elena after touching her?

He turned her into an exhibitionist whore that tortures her own son and the whole world hates. So yeah, he corrupted and ruined her, very much so in my eyes.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

But did Mars ruin Elena after touching her?

Not really. He ruined her reputation but did he compromise her core values? Elena's entire purpose was to fix Mars at absolutely any cost. Her penance for costing him his actual mother, at least from her perspective. Mars certainly undermined her public position, and her relationship with Erin but she never truly compromised on her goal, mostly retained her core values and at her own ending for this update she had accomplished her goal of redeeming and healing Mars. Mars didn't ruin her so much as she dedicated herself to her own mission to the point of her own ruination.

Now on the Erin femdom route? Ya, she was fairly compromised but that had more to do with Lavinia and Cecille than Mars himself. Even then what was her goal? To turn Erin into Mars's wife. Even at her most morally compromised her main concern was still just creating peace for her boys so that they'd end up on the same side and love each other. She's definitely the saintess of the group

 

[kinglionheart]

He turned her into an exhibitionist whore that tortures her own son and the whole world hates. So yeah, he corrupted and ruined her, very much so in my eyes.

Not really. He ruined her reputation but did he compromise her core values? Elena's entire purpose was to fix Mars at absolutely any cost. Her penance for costing him his actual mother, at least from her perspective. Mars certainly undermined her public position, and her relationship with Erin but she never truly compromised on her goal, mostly retained her core values and at her own ending for this update she had accomplished her goal of redeeming and healing Mars. Mars didn't ruin her so much as she dedicated herself to her own mission to the point of her own ruination.

Now on the Erin femdom route? Ya, she was fairly compromised but that had more to do with Lavinia and Cecille than Mars himself. Even then what was her goal? To turn Erin into Mars's wife. Even at her most morally compromised her main concern was still just creating peace for her boys so that they'd end up on the same side and love each other. She's definitely the saintess of the group

And here is the big debate on Mars. Can he actually help someone without ruining them? Regardless on how other people views Mars or wanting to change him, can he interact with them without making their lives worse? I hope we can get a definite answer by the end of the game.

 

[FFTW]

And here is the big debate on Mars. Can he actually help someone without ruining them?

He wasn't the one helping though, at all. Elena was. What I imagined is him constantly trying to break and hurt her, while at the same time he is gradually being healed and turned by her. That against her his hurt will heal and corruption will fail. Reaching a crescendo in which he finally accepts that she is the one that changed him. She would be saving him, not the other way around. So that doesn't contradict Mars' personality, it is just that she would be able to overcome that and heal him.

Either way, I have explained my opinion and why I am severely disappointed by this update. In my eyes at least, I really can't see how turning a saintess into an exhibitionist whore that tortures her own son and the whole world hates can be called anything other than ruining her. Of course, the fact that I care and am pissed off to begin with does show how great the writing has been up to this point, no doubt about it. I simply feel that they jumped the shark with Elena with this update. Really hope they don't do the same thing to Sera as well (Cecille has always been beyond saving. Mars only made the filth that was her personality all along clear instead of well hidden).

PS: When you are so focused on one thing that you are willing to sacrifice everything good and decent about you to achieve it, and you do so, then you didn't succeed, you failed. To paraphrase a famous line, You didn't defeat the monster, you became a monster yourself.

 

[Yukariin]

I'm hoping for some Sera content, I feel like she didn't get anything for a long time now, it's either Cecille or Elena.

i am super hoping we can have an anal-only route with sera.

 

[Deleted member 5736984]

All of it. I loved the earlier part when they were in the cave, as the struggle there felt impactful. It felt to me like a fight between love (Elena) and pain (Mars). Elena wanted to heal him, as well as atone for her own sins in being part of the cause for his condition, but to heal a heavily bandaged injury you need to remove the bandages and expose it, which is scary, and healing its self can be a painful process. So Mars' pain was lashing out, trying to corrupt her before that happens, because on the inside he was afraid. He was even lying to himself at times, which is a natural thing for people to do in such cases.

That struggle was fascinating, and I was on Elena's side all the way. I thought/expected/wanted that the route's story will be Elena gradually healing Mars, and Mars gradually giving up on his lashing out and corruption attempts and accepting her love. I thought/expected/wanted that route to be the healing route, the really emotional route where both sides win after overcoming their severe pains.

Instead we got elena being turned into an exhibitionist out of nowhere, torturing her own son "because it is better for him", literally going insane, and becoming known as a whore to everyone.

So yeah, I hated pretty much everything about Elena in this update. Though Ironically enough the couple lines at the end with Mars breaking down and finally accepting her were actually the only part that I liked.

A whore through exhibition?

 

[Hakukishin]

Good morning guys, I have advanced in the story, but I still don't understand the morning minigame, sometimes the bar goes up, other times the scenes of touching her tits or her pussy are activated.Has anyone else found scenes in the morning minigame or could you explain it to me?

 

[seville21]

Good morning guys, I have advanced in the story, but I still don't understand the morning minigame, sometimes the bar goes up, other times the scenes of touching her tits or her pussy are activated.Has anyone else found scenes in the morning minigame or could you explain it to me?

i think you mean the ones with cecille sitting on a bench with mars and erin? the goal is to distract them both so sera can talk to erin while you give cecille eros. Well thats it story wise but gameplay wise you just need to start the minigame dont need to fill anything since the minigames arent finished and thus you dont need to complete them to progress, the only thing you actually need to do to progress is fill up the bar at night and ocasionally just launch the minigames like just start it and exit and you should progress.

 

[seville21]

All of it. I loved the earlier part when they were in the cave, as the struggle there felt impactful. It felt to me like a fight between love (Elena) and pain (Mars). Elena wanted to heal him, as well as atone for her own sins in being part of the cause for his condition, but to heal a heavily bandaged injury you need to remove the bandages and expose it, which is scary, and healing its self can be a painful process. So Mars' pain was lashing out, trying to corrupt her before that happens, because on the inside he was afraid. He was even lying to himself at times, which is a natural thing for people to do in such cases.

That struggle was fascinating, and I was on Elena's side all the way. I thought/expected/wanted that the route's story will be Elena gradually healing Mars, and Mars gradually giving up on his lashing out and corruption attempts and accepting her love. I thought/expected/wanted that route to be the healing route, the really emotional route where both sides win after overcoming their severe pains.

Instead we got elena being turned into an exhibitionist out of nowhere, torturing her own son "because it is better for him", literally going insane, and becoming known as a whore to everyone.

So yeah, I hated pretty much everything about Elena in this update. Though Ironically enough the couple lines at the end with Mars breaking down and finally accepting her were actually the only part that I liked.

Well to me it felt kind of like a natural progression from the cave. Like, Elena broke a little in there but mars needed her more than broken he needed her ruined since after all his duty is to destroy the Heroes and mankind. Elena was very willing to bend to mars' abuse since she felt the guilt of the death of his mom. And, while mars' own sense of guilt is telling him to stop destroying a woman who clearly loves him (and who you can decide if he loves back) his own sense of duty forces him to break her like "oh you got comfortable with me seeing your body? (bend) Well too bad now everyone will have to see it since you didnt break. (break)" or "you got used to being my secret lover? (bend) Well now everyone knows and hates you for it (break)".

if you play Mars as a good guy then yeah this is terrible to experience since it seems like he could just betray the demons to be with all those women he loves. But, even a full love route Mars has a sense of duty to the demons that hasn't been fully broken because Mars was abused by his demon stepmom to the point where all he has as an identity is that sense of duty. Which is why he is terrified of elena's love, he believes that if he stops being a tool the abuse woulve been for nothing and he would then break. which is ironically what happens at the end when he decides to accept her as his mom (still weird af but whatever ill cope). because, even if youre playing a loveless bastard Mars, who doesnt want to love her, your only option at the end of the route is to full on panic and lie and deny that love he has for her. She broke him as much as he broke her.
Anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk F95 should really but a character limit lol.

 

[FFTW]

A whore through exhibition?

a whore through both the final scene and exhibition.

Well to me it felt kind of like a natural progression from the cave. Like, Elena broke a little in there but mars needed her more than broken he needed her ruined since after all his duty is to destroy the Heroes and mankind. Elena was very willing to bend to mars' abuse since she felt the guilt of the death of his mom. And, while mars' own sense of guilt is telling him to stop destroying a woman who clearly loves him (and who you can decide if he loves back) his own sense of duty forces him to break her like "oh you got comfortable with me seeing your body? (bend) Well too bad now everyone will have to see it since you didnt break. (break)" or "you got used to being my secret lover? (bend) Well now everyone knows and hates you for it (break)".

if you play Mars as a good guy then yeah this is terrible to experience since it seems like he could just betray the demons to be with all those women he loves. But, even a full love route Mars has a sense of duty to the demons that hasn't been fully broken because Mars was abused by his demon stepmom to the point where all he has as an identity is that sense of duty. Which is why he is terrified of elena's love, he believes that if he stops being a tool the abuse woulve been for nothing and he would then break. which is ironically what happens at the end when he decides to accept her as his mom (still weird af but whatever ill cope). because, even if youre playing a loveless bastard Mars, who doesnt want to love her, your only option at the end of the route is to full on panic and lie and deny that love he has for her. She broke him as much as he broke her.
Anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk F95 should really but a character limit lol.

Your argument is based on Mars, my argument is based on Elena. I agree with you about Mars' feelings of duty and his unwillingness to betray the demons. I also agree that he feels he needs to break her because of his fear and pain lashing out as well as his sense of duty. The difference for me is Elena herself. What I saw in the cave, and what I thought/expected/wanted from the rest of the route, is an Elena that wouldn't break. She might bend a little to accommodate him, but no matter what he tries she would fundamentally stay a Saintess, preserving her core values and everything good and just in her, just with her focus being on forgiving and healing him no matter what. Basically I thought/expected/wanted a route of the sea (Mars) having a storm and lashing out at the rock (Elena), but the rock doesn't get destroyed, and eventually the sea is the one that changes and becomes calm through the storm having been exhausted. A route of love defeating pain and hate, of Elena turning Mars instead of the other way around.
Instead we got elena being turned into an exhibitionist out of nowhere, torturing her own son "because it is better for him", literally going insane, and becoming known as a whore to everyone.

So, to summarize, I agree with you about how Mars felt. My issue is Elena.

 

[Isadly]

Expected a flat ntr story with good cg, got surprised with well written characters and story plus gorgeous art and cg.
10/10 seriously one of my favorite visual novels of all time.