VN Ren'Py Higher Education [v0.01.2] [Acton Belle]

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Akakarasu

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Love the art style and the location views with silhouettes to give context to the scenes. Really hoping the next update doesn't take a year, this holds a lot of promise. Would love to see some of Sam's photos, like an album or a folio, to get an idea of her art style. Could also maybe exposit a bit of background with that too.

For example: Pat back in the old city, mom and/or dad doing parenty things (candidly ofc), maybe some landscapes to get an idea of if they come from a small town or big city, maybe Sam took many of the HS yearbook photos? All just ideas, feel free to use or discard any as you see fit. Keep it up AB!
 

ActonBelle

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Are those stats also affecting the overall story arc or are sub/dom stats seperate for each of the NPCs and won´t affect anything else?
They're primarily for each character. Their total sum affects Sam's treatment of the "grey" characters or may give some alternate lines in special situations. For example, in this release it can unlock extra lines in Brian's lust-dom route. The overall story will be more affected by what you choose Sam to do and who she spends her time with.

P.S. There is a stat twist with Mary.
Thanks for pointing that out. I will fix it in the next update.

Would love to see some of Sam's photos, like an album or a folio, to get an idea of her art style.
Hm, yeah, for now, you can only see the childhood pictures of Sam with Pat and her parents' wedding photo (that were shown on the train ride in the beginning) in the stat page when you have stats hidden. I have planned a route where she takes pictures in the town later (with which she would start building a new portfolio), but I didn't intend to expand on her past, focusing more on what she does currently. But I can throw some tidbits here and there to flesh her out a bit more.

I hope MC and Yvette start chatting and hanging out with each other and Yvette will be featured on the stats page too!
Sam and Yvette will for sure get to spend more time together in the future, as I meant for Yvette to become Sam's new best friend, but purely platonic (no stats - no scenes). Though I could be persuaded. However, that would happen much, much later in the story anyway.

I hope we don´t get blueballed for too long any more.
When I first started working on HE, I wanted to take the sex scenes slow in the beginning and maintain some sort of "realism", as Sam's a reserved virgin. But I'm not so sure about that now. Rather than romance, I'd like to work on something more exciting myself, too. The next update should have some more explicit scenes with Gina.
 

Buletti

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When I first started working on HE, I wanted to take the sex scenes slow in the beginning and maintain some sort of "realism", as Sam's a reserved virgin.
I sure understand the idea behind that and I am okay with that.

But in that case in order to keep people interested now you would have to alter your update schedule.

I will not commit to a story now when I can expect to have the 1st kinky scene in 1,5 years because either the size of the updates seems not substantial enough or the time between updates is too long.

Please don't get me wrong. The start so far is among my favourite VNs on this page at the moment. So I really wish this to get an Epic story with deep characters and a lot of sub/Dom content.

I wish you all the luck and strength required for that.

Cheers to you!
 

reandis

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When I first started working on HE, I wanted to take the sex scenes slow in the beginning and maintain some sort of "realism", as Sam's a reserved virgin. But I'm not so sure about that now. Rather than romance, I'd like to work on something more exciting myself, too. The next update should have some more explicit scenes with Gina.
I maybe in the minority but i actually prefer the slower pace to sexual encounters. It allows me to immerse myself into the story a lot more easily and gives the relationships actual impact imo. If the MC is just fucking everything left and right right away then I feel like I might as well open up a porno instead of playing a game lol
 

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I maybe in the minority but i actually prefer the slower pace to sexual encounters. It allows me to immerse myself into the story a lot more easily and gives the relationships actual impact imo. If the MC is just fucking everything left and right right away then I feel like I might as well open up a porno instead of playing a game lol
But that does not mean we get nothing. At least a masturbating scene or a longer shower peeping scene that does not get cut short.

Just some sort of action would be good for an AVN. Otherwise it is just a College story people outside of the US have no connection to.

I get that there has to be a buildup. But then the scene also should be man meaningful. Not just 2 renders and then it is over.

Well, everything so far is great here. I Just hope development speed will pick up and is fairly consistent.

Cheers!
 
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damnedfrog

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Hi ActonBelle.
I just play your game.

And for a first game, I'm amazed by the work and originality you put in it!
The original art (I have nothing against DAZ, but it's a fresh air to see a game not made with that kind of tool).
The attention to details. Like the jackets they wear over their shoulders during the train trip, but which they then tied around their waists once inside the building.
The scene view with the moving little colorful silhouettes.
The UI, like the settings page you have completely redesigned. And with more options than the default, like the dialog opacity slider. The UI really feel and look like if Sam write/draw it.

Also, I'm a sucker for female MC with a pure lesbian route available game. And for what I understand, it's the case in your game, depending of our choices. So another big plus for me.
I don't mind at all that Sam can have interaction with male characters. As long as it doesn't involve sexual ones. In fact I hope we can have some friendship relation with some of them, like Brian. Perhaps he can introduce Sam to the world of RPGs?

I have some questions
  1. Is it me, or every polite choices imply Sam is submissive? I find a bit odd that initiate a normal social relation like greeting someone when you meet them mean you are submissive to them. In fact it's the only thing I didn't like in your game. I can't get what dialog choice will increase what attribute. So I generally try each to see. Perhaps it's because English isn't my first language and I don't perceive some subtle hints, but it feel random for me.
  2. Does the dominant/submissive will have a lot of impact? I know I must be in minority, but I'm not a great fan of dominant/submissive relation. Above all if it's implied harassment, humiliation, sadism, rape and other heavy kinks like that.
  3. Does the transwoman is pre-op or has she totally transitioned?
  4. There is no harem tag, so what happen if we pursue more than one LI?

A few suggestions (of course you can do anything you want with them)
  1. In the NPC list page, could you add the name of the characters we know below there little drawn heads. I know we can get it by clicking on the drawing, but I find it will be more convenient to have them right in the page. By the way I like how you make that notepad.
  2. Adding a few more saves by save page. Perhaps another row of 3, for a total of 9 saves per page.
  3. Adding the possibility to name save.
  4. This one is a highly personal taste, but having the choice for Sam to be unshaven or at least trimmed but not bare shaved. I know pubic hairs aren't so trendy nowadays. And also that it will required more work from you. But in addition to my personal preferences, it seems to me that it fit more for a girl like Sam to keep some pubic hairs.
 

damnedfrog

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Sam and Yvette will for sure get to spend more time together in the future, as I meant for Yvette to become Sam's new best friend, but purely platonic (no stats - no scenes). Though I could be persuaded. However, that would happen much, much later in the story anyway.
OK, what it will take for persuade you?
:)
 
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ActonBelle

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I maybe in the minority but i actually prefer the slower pace to sexual encounters.
I think I just need to find some balance between the pace and actually delivering something. Ultimately, the player will always get to choose if they want the scenes to happen or take it slower.

I Just hope development speed will pick up and is fairly consistent.
I'm hopeful it will be better from now on, I'm getting my shit sorted out. At the very least, it shouldn't take over a year (which isn't saying much, lol).

The UI really feel and look like if Sam write/draw it.
Thanks for the praise. That is exactly what I was going for :)

Is it me, or every polite choices imply Sam is submissive?
Does the dominant/submissive will have a lot of impact?
The choices might seem a bit random at times. Sometimes, I need to put them in to get the stats, even though they're not that meaningful in that one context. The label of dominant/submissive is really there just for a lack of better wording. I put it like that in the beginning and then couldn't come up with anything better. It doesn't always mean sub/dom in the kink kind of way. It's just a simplification of the power dynamic - whether Sam is shy or outspoken, passive or active, receiving or giving.

Does the transwoman is pre-op or has she totally transitioned?
Boobs and dick.

There is no harem tag, so what happen if we pursue more than one LI?
You will be able only to choose one person to get their ending, and you'll need to have all of their "points". I'm not really considering a poly or harem path right now.

In the NPC list page, could you add the name of the characters we know below there little drawn heads.
Sure, I'll add that.

Adding a few more saves by save page.
Adding the possibility to name save.
I've been thinking about naming the saves, and the number of saves was bothering me a bit, too, when I playtest, to be honest, but I didn't think it was that high of a priority right now since the saves are already "functional". I'll look into it. Can't say if I'll add it for the next update or sometime later, but it should come with time.

having the choice for Sam to be unshaven or at least trimmed but not bare shaved
Hmm, I'm not sure about adding that as an in-game choice, but maybe it could be a toggle in the settings.

OK, what it will take for persuade you?
As with everything, if enough people demand it, I'll try to do something about it. Adding a few stand-alone scenes with Yvette would be easy enough to work in, but I'm not so sure about making her a main love interest. Right now, I only see that work if I replace the last unintroduced LI (Will) with her. He would've only been introduced in about five updates from now, so there's still time to think about that.
 

Buletti

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Well, for me personally there cannot be enough lesbian options with a fem MC.

As a dude I just prefer looking at women doing stuff.

So I would totally be in favour of switching that out.

Especially as Yvette is giving a rather dom vibe.
Also maybe consider that you evoked certain expectations with choosing the dom/sub wording.

It doesn't always mean sub/dom in the kink kind of way.
Please don't shy away from using it in the kink way!

Have a good one my friend! Cheers!
 

damnedfrog

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The choices might seem a bit random at times. Sometimes, I need to put them in to get the stats, even though they're not that meaningful in that one context. The label of dominant/submissive is really there just for a lack of better wording. I put it like that in the beginning and then couldn't come up with anything better. It doesn't always mean sub/dom in the kink kind of way. It's just a simplification of the power dynamic - whether Sam is shy or outspoken, passive or active, receiving or giving.
OK, I understand more now.
By the way, it's interesting that these stats are by characters and not overall.
So Sam could have a more dominant relation with some characters, and a more submissive one with others.

Boobs and dick.
Great. I know not everyone is like me, but I don't mind a pre-op transwoman if she has feminine face and body, aside her genitalia of course.
I just hope she will have a normal size penis, not a horse size dick as we often see in shemale/dickgirl/futanari games. But as she won't be some fantasy creature, I expect she will have a normal anatomy.

You will be able only to choose one person to get their ending, and you'll need to have all of their "points". I'm not really considering a poly or harem path right now.
I would have likes a poly or open relationship, but I understand it could not be in your plans. And it will required more work.
Well, I will have to make a save for each girl ;).

Sure, I'll add that.
Thanks. It will help the old senile like me to remember who is who :)

I've been thinking about naming the saves, and the number of saves was bothering me a bit, too, when I playtest, to be honest, but I didn't think it was that high of a priority right now since the saves are already "functional". I'll look into it. Can't say if I'll add it for the next update or sometime later, but it should come with time.
It's not a high priority either for me.
I just think it could be some nice features in the future, but definitively not must have.

Hmm, I'm not sure about adding that as an in-game choice, but maybe it could be a toggle in the settings.
Thank you to even consider it, as I know pubic hair aren't popular nowadays.

As with everything, if enough people demand it, I'll try to do something about it. Adding a few stand-alone scenes with Yvette would be easy enough to work in, but I'm not so sure about making her a main love interest. Right now, I only see that work if I replace the last unintroduced LI (Will) with her. He would've only been introduced in about five updates from now, so there's still time to think about that.
She seems to have quite a temper, but she's also attractive.
Could be a great LI.
But it also means you'll have to change your story so she will break with her boyfriend.
 

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Quick question that's mainly just me being dumb - what exactly do the Dominant/Submissive stats represent?

Are they an indication of how Sam sees the other character (ie, if there's a high Dominant score, Sam becomes the dominant one in the relationship)? Or are they an indication of how the other character sees Sam (ie, if Pat has a higher Submissive stat, Pat will be the submissive one)? It's not 100% clear, and it obviously makes for a bit of confusion if you're trying to figure out what sort of relationship you're going to have with someone.

For now I'm interpreting it as how Sam reacts to the other person (I've got Pat as Submissive 2 and Dominant 0 right now, and I'm assuming that means that Sam is currently inclined to be submissive to Pat), but I've got enough stats on other people that feel a bit off that I could just as easily see it being the other way around.


I do catch your drift :D I'm not personally opposed to it, if someone wants to make a patch, I might even be open to drawing some requests with existing/OC characters, but I don't plan on including that in the official build (as well as some other kinks that are not ok on Patreon).
I'm assuming they're mainly thinking about Pat being your sister instead of your childhood friend.

The problem is, I'm not sure that sort of patch is actually a good thing for a game like this. Sam being raised as an only child is a significant part of the plot, so changing that makes the story weaker.

The only other way I could see it going is if Sam manages to connect to her father and his new family at some point in the story, and finds she has a half-sibling(s) - but that would kind of require the relationship to be written into the story as part of the core game, because it would be much harder to patch an entirely new romantic relationship into the story (complete with new art) if the base game relationship is just platonic.

Most patches of that nature that work well do so because a specific character is basically already written to be that way, and just got turned into a landlady/roommate/etc for "reasons". It's harder to transform characters who were never meant to be seen that way and still have it make sense/work well/be worthwhile.


You will be able only to choose one person to get their ending, and you'll need to have all of their "points". I'm not really considering a poly or harem path right now.
ALL their points?

It would kind of suck if a player has tried to have interactions with a wider group of characters (to make friends, to try and decide which character they like more, etc), only to find that they're locked out of a good ending with a potential love interest because they missed a single point back at the beginning of the game because, say, they chose to talk to the wrong person at the wrong time.

Or is there going to be a specific point where it's made kind of obvious that you need to commit to an actual partner, and that continuing to try and play the field after that point will result in a bad ending where you don't wind up with anyone?

Basically what I'm asking is, is this going to be one of those games where the player has to decide almost from the start who they're interested in and then deliberately pick every possible option they need to succeed, or is there more flexibility where a player can miss a few options or opportunities but still wind up with someone?

I could see a scenario where, say, a LI has a total possible number of points equal to 50, and the player needs to get 40/50 to get their ending. That way the player has some flexibility but still has to devote sufficient attention to their intended LI to justify that relationship succeeding. But if the player needs 50/50 and even 49/50 fails, it feels needlessly restrictive.


I maybe in the minority but i actually prefer the slower pace to sexual encounters. It allows me to immerse myself into the story a lot more easily and gives the relationships actual impact imo. If the MC is just fucking everything left and right right away then I feel like I might as well open up a porno instead of playing a game lol
I'm sort of in the same boat. I definitely prefer games with a bit of romance or strong story over one that rushes directly to the sex scenes. It's nice to play as a character who is slowly building up relationships rather than jumping directly from one sex scene to the next.

It's like, there are so many other games that are just a succession of sex scenes if that's what you want, and honestly, if all you're looking for is a quick fap why are you playing a game at all? There's a near-infinite amount of porn online. But well-written games that deal with relationships in a more adult manner are much rarer, and are much more interesting for it. VNs and Ren'Py games feel like they're at their best when they're giving you an experience that regular porn can't.

Sadly, I'm also aware that devs who are looking for financial support probably are better off just going for constant fucking, because it feels like that's what a majority of people are looking for, and willing to pay for on Patreon.
 

ActonBelle

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So I would totally be in favour of switching that out.
It would surely make the ratio of LIs more equal with 5m 5f 1mtf. While I'm personally more into m/f romance, I do prefer drawing female anatomy, so I don't mind either way. But I will still hold a poll later to see what other people think before I make any final decisions.

Especially as Yvette is giving a rather dom vibe.
Yvette giving dom vibes is just a fault of my writing. I was trying to make her come off as rude to Sam (while, in actuality, she is just a bit socially awkward). If you're looking for a dommy LI, that would be Gina.

Also maybe consider that you evoked certain expectations with choosing the dom/sub wording.
My bad, I completely forgot to redo it, and I now realize it may come off wrong. I'll change the wording for something else.

So Sam could have a more dominant relation with some characters, and a more submissive one with others.
Yes, she can see some people as "above" her, and others as "under".

I expect she will have a normal anatomy.
Yes, of course, everyone will.

I would have likes a poly or open relationship, but I understand it could not be in your plans.
I'm not saying it might not change in the future, but for now, I need to focus on each character separately. No one's stopping you from going for two or more people at once, but their stories won't overlap, and the "timeslots" may force you to choose between one or another at times.

Are they an indication of how Sam sees the other character (ie, if there's a high Dominant score, Sam becomes the dominant one in the relationship)?
This. I'll try to make it more evident in the game.

The problem is, I'm not sure that sort of patch is actually a good thing for a game like this.
You're right, it might not work that well with Pat. But if anyone wants to try to work it in on their own, that's up to them, I guess.

ALL their points?
That's the plan right now. More specifically, I'm talking about the romance/lust/friend points, of which there are 15 for each character, plus being present at all of their "scenes" - 10 in total.

is this going to be one of those games where the player has to decide almost from the start who they're interested in
I mean, yes, probably? Ultimately, the ending is just one extra scene. If the player is that invested in one certain LI, I assume they will want to get all of their content during the "journey", not just the end.

It's nice to play as a character who is slowly building up relationships rather than jumping directly from one sex scene to the next.
This is why I wanted to include both romance and lust routes so that the player can choose. Or go with the friend ones for a completely SFW experience. I was thinking that to speed the development up a bit, I could focus on the lust scenes first and return to the romance ones later, but seeing as there are still people interested in the slower build-up, I'll think about it some more.
 

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My bad, I completely forgot to redo it, and I now realize it may come off wrong. I'll change the wording for something else.
Okay, so will Sex scenes be completely Vanilla then? Or can we expect more? Because if not, Dom/sub is really causing more confusion imho.

Still love the setup and UI so far!
 

Buletti

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I think what is most important for this one to work out is that you don´t forget that YOU are the creator. Without you none of this would exist.

That means try not to cater to everyone. The incest crowd was already here. With a fem protag the preg fans might show up as well, I bother you with bdsm stuff you might not have forseen in the first place. So just tell me "Fuck you pervert! This will not be in my story because I do it as I like!" But that requires you to have this story more defined or flashed out.

I totally understand that with life and work and stuff there often is just not the time to sit back and really think something through. But imho you should take this time for the sake of Sam and Pat.

There are a lot of projects here that got abandoned because the dev tried to accommodate all kinds of kinks and then everything came crushing down. Imho the most successful AVNs are made by devs who have a clear idea what they want to do and then stick to it. People will either have to follow you or they don´t.

Give your Patreons choices to vote on. But not as deep as decide major parts of the cast or story. Only minor things that are strictly within the frame that you set out. People are stupid and often don´t know what they want or think they want something but when they get it they wanted it differently or not at all. So make the choice for them. It is your story. It is your product.

Cheers!
 
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I think what is most important for this one to work out is that you don´t forget that YOU are the creator. Without you none of this would exist.

That means try not to cater to everyone.
Absolutely. Any work is better (or at least more interesting) as 1 focused vision than as a jack-off of all trades, masterbater of none.
 
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