Holiday Island [v0.1.4] [darkhound1] - General discussions and information

[Bantry]

I really like the flashing images & seeing all the girls' breasts exposed in all their costumes.
I thought that this could be an achievement, but how to do it, since the image in the file has no background, since they can do it anywhere.
Would this work? Have the girl send you a topless pose taken in her room as a sext after you've seen her topless in that outfit. She could type: "I liked showing you my goodies in public, but now you can see them in private."
This would have the added benefit of giving most of the girls 6+ more sexts.

To each there own, but to what purpose of having more sexts? I would prefer an option to shut them off or limit them to one or two a week. After having seen them all I find it repetitive to keep seeing the same pics over and over again. For me personally, I would much rather see the story and the various paths advanced. That is going to require enough new renders without Darkhound having to do a bunch of new ones for outfits we have already seen. But that's just my 2 cents. It's Darkhound's time so I'll leave it up to him.

 

[Puppet Master]

Darkhound1 has a way that he wants to fix the sexting, but needs time to impliment it. I don't know his plans, but usually when he fixes something, it turns out good.
For me, the problem with sexting is the lack of variety, so more is more. Again, this might be more work than it is worth, but I thought it would be a fairly simple way to expand content and allow us to track what images we've seen.
I would prefer that the topless images become achievements, though. So if you have an idea on how to do it without a ton of work, I'm open to it.

 

[Bantry]

Darkhound1 has a way that he wants to fix the sexting, but needs time to impliment it. I don't know his plans, but usually when he fixes something, it turns out good.
For me, the problem with sexting is the lack of variety, so more is more. Again, this might be more work than it is worth, but I thought it would be a fairly simple way to expand content and allow us to track what images we've seen.
I would prefer that the topless images become achievements, though. So if you have an idea on how to do it without a ton of work, I'm open to it.

I guess I'm just confused. Define achievements. You like Faye and I like Delizia two girls at opposite ends of the spectrum. Currently there are 14 - 15 topless pics of Faye and 6 - 7 of Delizia. Seen them all and they pop up every now and again during sexting. I can also see them just by asking them to flash me. Lastly, I can put them in a frame and up on my wall.

Now with regards to sexts, should I receive a sext from, let's say Lacey for sake of discussion, and she says heard about your new room, hoping you invite me to see it some time. That would be a welcome change in sexting. I would go so far as to tie it in with the girls' anger stat if that isn't too difficult. For example, right now I turn down 99% of messages I receive inviting me to the pool, dinner and/or the random sext of 'Was thinking of you, look at my tits' or whatever they say. After the first 4 or 5 times it is more of an annoyance. Now if the girl(s) get angry because I turn down their invites or I lose affection/love and that impacts whether they will accept my invite to the new play room or to have a drink in the bar with me for example, that is more realistic in my opinion.

 

[Puppet Master]

Ok, let me try to explain it better.
Achievements keep track of what we've accomplished in the game. So, we try to have a drink at the bar with Amy,etc. and check them off the list.
One of the things I like to accomplish is to see each girl's flashing image. For Faye, there are 9 total flashing images: 2 at reception, 1 as a doctor, 3 in bikinis, and 3 in evening wear. For each one, you have to get her alone, then get her to agree to flash her boobs.
I'd like this recorded as an achievement in my phone so I could check off each one, just like when we try to get all the images for Eva and Yvette at the pool.
However, there are no backgrounds for the images, since it can happen anywhere.
My thought was that after she flashes you, she could send you a sext with the image using the background from her room (or wherever) to commemorate the event.
This would hopefully be easy for Darkhound1 (it probably isn't) & give more sexts for you to see instead of the 2 she keeps sending.
However, if this is a problem, we don't have to do any of it. After all, we don't keep track of all the groping images we've seen (although maybe we could do that too).
So, can we think of any way to keep track of all the flashing images, maybe even one that would work with groping?

 

[Bantry]

Ok, let me try to explain it better.
Achievements keep track of what we've accomplished in the game. So, we try to have a drink at the bar with Amy,etc. and check them off the list.
One of the things I like to accomplish is to see each girl's flashing image. For Faye, there are 9 total flashing images: 2 at reception, 1 as a doctor, 3 in bikinis, and 3 in evening wear. For each one, you have to get her alone, then get her to agree to flash her boobs.
I'd like this recorded as an achievement in my phone so I could check off each one, just like when we try to get all the images for Eva and Yvette at the pool.
However, there are no backgrounds for the images, since it can happen anywhere.
My thought was that after she flashes you, she could send you a sext with the image using the background from her room (or wherever) to commemorate the event.
This would hopefully be easy for Darkhound1 (it probably isn't) & give more sexts for you to see instead of the 2 she keeps sending.
However, if this is a problem, we don't have to do any of it. After all, we don't keep track of all the groping images we've seen (although maybe we could do that too).
So, can we think of any way to keep track of all the flashing images, maybe even one that would work with groping?

Well unless you want to put a specific topless pic in a frame on your wall, I'm still not seeing the value of being able to see all the pics on your phone.

 

[Puppet Master]

It's hard to remember which ones you've seen, plus the number for each girl varies.
A checklist under achievements would keep track for you.
Plus duplicating the event requires a specific set of circumstances. Being able to call the image up in your phone is easier.

 

[Bantry]

It's hard to remember which ones you've seen, plus the number for each girl varies.
A checklist under achievements would keep track for you.
Plus duplicating the event requires a specific set of circumstances. Being able to call the image up in your phone is easier.

I guess, but after seeing it multiple times it doesn't matter to me. That's me, but others may find some value in the ability.

 

[jikorde]

It's hard to remember which ones you've seen, plus the number for each girl varies.
A checklist under achievements would keep track for you.
Plus duplicating the event requires a specific set of circumstances. Being able to call the image up in your phone is easier.

A specific set of circumstances that the player can choose to make happen whenever they want, but I would be fine with the concept if only to be able to get Faye showing her tits in that nurse's outfit on my wall. What I want is the ability to to set all emails to read without opening the phone and to say no to all appointments at once so I'm not manually checking every message every single day. It's not a lot of work but it gets tiring, especially when its the same messages a lot of the time.

As for using favor, just listing the cost next to the action you want would probably be the best option. So similiar to poker but with (this costs x favor) next to the options.

 

[Wilson NE]

@Wilson NE maybe you could add a mod for us to make a girl be like Desire or Amy or Natasha and flash us even when other girls are present.

Before answering this, and because is related to the game development, let me take the advantage of sharing my thoughts about the companion and left them written here. That way, you all might know it's purposes an take them in consideration for future debates. Please excuse the length of the post, gonna be long.

The mod was created for some main reasons and a single big hope:
- Reason 1: The most obvious, provide some help to the players to go further in the game. Used in moderation, cheats can be really helpful sometimes, specially when the games are in its 'in development' stage. Besides, the more features the mod have the less will need the players to use the console which is more delicate.

- Reason 2: The purpose of the guide is not only to help the players but at the same time reduce the number of basic questions in the game threads and Dark's patreon page avoiding all of us, and specially the dev, waste some time reading and aswering those questions.

- Reason 3: Save a little bit of dev's time in order he can focus in more important features and content. Both cheats and guide may help someway in reducing the amount of petitions of the player's for new features that reduce the grinding which imply less work charge for Dark. As well, in some cases the mod can be used for implementing minor features without needing for dev to spend his time on it.

- Reason 4: Make the game more attractive for my dear lazy players. I cannot really understand why there are so many people that want to have a play without having to play it or why there are so many people who likes playing a game just following fully detailed instructions, but they are a reality, so maybe the mod may help to increase the number of players and patrons of the game at the time it might help to preserve the main gaming spirit of Holiday Island because the grinding reduction requests are fullfilled from the companion.

- The big hope: I deeply believe that all the things already done in the mod and all its future planned features, someday can be implemented inside the main game and the mod will be no longer necessary. If the game evolves as I expect the game no will need the companion because it can be fully playable, auto-described in different levels and even "auto-cheated" preserving the simulation spirit of the game. The problem is that all those things takes a lot of time to be implemented and dev have obviously more important duties like creating the new content which is the most important part of the game. So, I've always seen the mod as a temporary place where some things can be done in the meantime the Dark's evolves naturally his game.

So, considering all those explanations, I may now answer the question properly.

What are you asking for, it indeed worth to be considered, but implies entering a new dimension where the mechanics of the game are modified from the companion (turning it into a real mod). I have, in fact, some other ideas with similar purposes that could be implemented but need to be considered carefully.

Well done, can be really helpful for the game and boost the main purposes of the mod previously specified, but at the same time, it may lead as well to some important headaches and time wasting (so for me, for the dev and for the players) if they are not properly implemented.

As my current knowledge of the game is still not enough to be confident in starting that way, I rather like to take it easy and follow some 'guidelines'.
- As much features can be implemented in the main game way the better.
- Only in those cases where will be pretty clear that don't worth for the dev to work on it in a reasonable term but still worth to be done I will consider to work on it from the mod.
- When this happens I will still take my time, think carefully, and debate it with Dark about how it can be done in order to prevent as much posible future issues.

This thread and the posts like the 0.2 outlook will sure help me a lot which are the players concerns regarding the game mechanics. And, based on Dark's answers I will try to understand which ones will be care all by himself, which ones doesn't worth at all to start working on it, and at the end, which ones may be approached from the mod side.

In conclusion, I will consider and left your idea written in my notes but I won't work on it at this moment Let's read this thread for a little while and see how everything evolves.

 

[darkhound1]

@Wilson NE maybe you could add a mod for us to make a girl be like Desire or Amy or Natasha and flash us even when other girls are present.

Already implemented. Will be part of 0.1.4.2.
If her love for you is >=75, she will still flash her breasts even though she is not comfortable doing it with other girls present.

And about the breast flash and grope images:

• I will add an additional scene achievement to show all the flash and grope actions (not the ones in webp format with the first shot).
• You will be able to see all the clothing options with next/previous buttons to go through all the already seen flashes and gropings.
• What you will not get is the possibility to add these images to your player room. Sorry, but IÄve already spend 2 hours on it and it's too complicated.
  The reason is that the images are not full game size (1280x720), but cropped (e.g. 600x720 only). The auto zooming and positioning is hell to do with those.
• You will be able to zoom in a bit and move up/down. Left/right has been disabled and frame overlay as well.

Here are some previews:

 

[SiJa]

My "Just out of the shower" gallery.

Would be good if additional to spying on the girls in the shower also, if requirements achieved, MC gets to shower with the girls as well.

 

[polywog]

I was like why would anyone need to learn how to message?

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I remember a funny story posted on a bulletin board, back in the 90s about an awkward sexting experience.

The woman messages trying to set the scene, she tells him what she's wearing, that she's lying on the bed, surrounded by candles. The man messages back... as he's approaching her on the bed, he accidentally knocks over candles and starts a fire.
She's touching herself trying to get him into the roleplay, but he's trying unsuccessfully to put out the flames.

 

[Puppet Master]

Could the alert be changed from "You have 1 new mesage" to "You have 1 new message from [whichever girl sent the messsage]"? That way, if it's Joy or your hack is done, we'd know to answer it right away, but if it's a sext from Desire, we could leave it until later.

 

[Culain]

I will try to shorten my suggestions:

1.) Phone
As Mc gots a phone and "asks" the girls for their number, besides the app, there is no real use for a thing like a phone by now.
I`d suggest to implement a function, that MC can call the girl for possible meetings, if she wants to.
Or, maybe other "activities"...depends on, whats planned in future

2.) Visiting girls
Actually, you click the visit button and get asked, which girl you want to visit.
I`d suggest to create a floor with clickable doors, so MC will really move there.
(Gives a possibility to let the girls meet at that area too...by accident or else. If MC maybe just has some fun in front of a girls room, he probably can get caught. Can cause a girl step in or reverse, dropping her affection, love, whatever.)

3.) Beach
Listening to the girls at dinner, they talk about a nude beach area.
Would be nice to have such option (and also possibilities there).

4.) Picture send by message
Some girls send MC picture, which show them in the new MC room.
Sadly, they never had been there (as long they did not break in evry time for a pic ^^)
It may surely some work, but for the story, if would fit better to use an other background.

5.) Contests
By now, we have the butt-contest and wet-shirt.
How about a pose-contest?
How about letting the girls participate in teams (and some nice actions) ? xD
And, not least, how a bout a party dress contest?

6.) Showers
As MC may "accidently" watch gilrs showering, I`d create a single shower room, which MC may encounter, not having the shower in the girls room.
Combining with "suggestion 2" that room/door could be created there and the player would have it a bit easier to get the encounters.
Well....MC may also use that room and...who know...things can happen

7.) Shopping
- by now, I got no clue, for what you can buy the binoculars....maybe future content?

- Someone before suggested to build in a shop outside.
Well, I`d say, build in an invitation to a girl, where MC takes them for shopping.
For example, a clothes store, where MC can buy them some great party dress or even other ones, which they can use.
(As long, Dev is willing to do that work and creates that dresses )

8.) Swimming?
Right now, we have a holiday resort - at the beach - but you only swim in the pool ???
Sounds crazy?....right.
I dont think, Dev has put that resort right in the middle of the biggest shark meeting pound of the ocean.
So, why dont let MC and the girls have some fun at swimming in the ocean?
Having a few nice hideouts next to the beach too.

9.) Sports
Evryone knows, holiday without some sports gets boring.
Hey...I dont talk about bedsports of course lol
So, what do we have actually beside some training....sadly not much.
Someone mentioned volleyball before, I`d add frisbey, featherball and....of course...a nice beachbar!

10.) Nightbar
Well, we have poker, poledance and drinks.
But noone seems to dance with the girls there.
Hey...do you call yourself gentlemens, players? (ok, skip that question )
Back to it....how about having an option to dance with them...can lead into some nice actions, right?


Ok, did I say, I shorten it...correct me wrong lol.
But a great game always has some room for improvements.
I`d like to read, what Dev may think about the suggestions, even if some are out of reach.

So far, I love that game really and I respect all the work, which is in it.
I hope, beside so many other games, which loose their quality (or even get abandoned without comment), this one keeps his quality or maybe raise it.
Can`t wait for next update

 

[Puppet Master]

Just an idea:
Someone suggested a slot machine mini-game in the Night Bar.
If this is successful, perhaps a Casino could be added as another part of the Night Bar with Roulette, slots, Craps, Blackjack as mini games where one can earn HI bucks.
One thing might be easy to add: Texas Hold 'em Poker with multiple girls.
The problem is that money isn't terribly useful as it can be gained easily enough and reaches a point of diminishing returns. Perhaps something else might be given as a reward.
A simpler version would be: have the Casino as a location with a casino background and girls hanging out. Then have a gamble button which advances the clock 30 minutes and tells you how much money you won or lost. You could even cheat with bad things happening if you get caught.
The value would be to stop overcrowding at the Night Bar as there would be multiple places to hang out.
If you want to eliminate overcrowding without making a gambling function, maybe you could add the Blue Room as another location where you can drink champagne with the girls.

 

[wulver]

With people posting suggestions I think I'll add mine:

New outdoor activity/recreation area:

Area could have physical activities like a climbing wall, Archery, Wrestling/martial arts mat, Pugil Sticks (on an elevated platform over a poll), and more. Would give more scenes for women who are more atheletic (and some fun scenes if say you fall behind a girl in wall cimbling or beat them to the top then turn to help them up and such).

If you were open to putting more women in the game this area could have a staff member overseeing/assisting the area..... maybe a short haired redhead who is very competitive but always taking a positive view of things regardless if she wins or loses an event. She could also have a side story where she goes out and explores areas of the island that have not yet been developed for the resort.

 

[Bantry]

@darkhound1 will have the final say on all of our suggestions, however I would like to point out that some of them are VERY unlikely due to the amount and type of renders involved. Although he is very talented, I do not think even he could do some of the renders needed for some of the suggestions. I use the rule of thumb, if a scene and/or background is going to be complicated or busy, then I probably shouldn't suggest it.

 

[Bantry]

For example I suggested this would be a nice pool scene. I didn't think it would be that complicated, put the girl in a blue background and add whatever to make it look like water. Seems simple to me. Dark replied it would be an almost impossible render and the time involved would be prohibitive.

 

[Bantry]

That's not to say we should limit our suggestions, but this thread could easily get out of hand if we don't have some restraint.

 

[polywog]