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Gomly1980 said:
Why is it needed?

I've never heard one good reason why anyone needs to know how much someone is making.
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Certainly it's a useful info when you're trying to negotiate your contract with a company . Hence several corporations would actively try to prevent workers there from sharing this info . This is basic market information asymmetry issue look for joseph Stiglitz ( nobel prize winner ) work on the subject . now you have a good reason not to say that statement ever again ?

When people are paying someone for product with Pateron model , isn't a valuable info to know how much he is getting paid for the product he is getting out ? . Should i judge someone making a shitty game for free , and someone getting 100 dollars per month of donations . and someone making 10 k + per month on similar scale .

Some of us with limited resources would rather support a good that isn't making that much money , over someone who's making above the average for Patreon
 
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Those are all good reasons why you would want to see it but not a good reason for the developer to show.

That's my problem here, all i'm seeing is why we need to see how much they are making not why the dev should show how much he's making, it's all a bit one sided.

Here's the thing, if I was to do something and get on Patreon then i'd hide how much I was making. That's between me, my wife and the tax man, no one else needs to know.

They generally show how many patrons they have so that's an idea on how it's doing but even if you did see how much it's making that isn't a sign of quality.

I've seen games making very little that were great. Ethan's Legacy, Dana, Inanna are all great stories with decent scenes and characters that don't make a great deal.

Showing how much money they are earning means nothing.
 
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Gomly1980 said:
Those are all good reasons why you would want to see it but not a good reason for the developer to show.
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and there is a good reason for a company to threaten with even Firing for people sharing how much they are making .
You need to understand a basic economic fact that a both side of transaction have different Interests , and it's obviously beneficial for some pateron to hide the info of how much they are making from public .
i for instance Think that incase has the best pornographic art online , but the patreon is financially doing fine . I would rather support lesser quality artist who are making less that 1 k per month .
 
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Gomly1980 said:
Still none of your business how much they make.
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My business is in the health of the project as a potential donor. If you want my money, I have to know my money isn't going to be wasted on a project that's doomed to fail. Whether or not the project is making enough money to survive will be a major determining factor in my decision (among other factors obviously).
It's not about "I want to know how much is in his bank account just for the hell of it." It's more about "Should I give my own money and trust to a dev who's withholding the most basic of financial information about the project I want to support from his own donors?" That's what the transparency issue is about. I don't want to take away his right withhold that information. It's ultimately up to him to decide, just like it's up to me to decide whether to put my trust in that dev.
You can keep reiterating what you would do with your patreon, but I'm just answering the question you asked.
 
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supanova999 said:
My business is in the health of the project as a potential donor. If you want my money, I have to know my money isn't going to be wasted on a project that's doomed to fail. Whether or not the project is making enough money to survive will be a major determining factor in my decision (among other factors obviously).
It's not about "I want to know how much is in his bank account just for the hell of it." It's more about "Should I give my own money and trust to a dev who's withholding the most basic of financial information about the project I want to support from his own donors?" That's what the transparency issue is about. I don't want to take away his right withhold that information. It's ultimately up to him to decide, just like it's up to me to decide whether to put my trust in that dev.
You can keep reiterating what you would do with your patreon, but I'm just answering the question you asked.
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pcg50 said:
and there is a good reason for a company to threaten with even Firing for people sharing how much they are making .
You need to understand a basic economic fact that a both side of transaction have different Interests , and it's obviously beneficial for some pateron to hide the info of how much they are making from public .
i for instance Think that incase has the best pornographic art online , but the patreon is financially doing fine . I would rather support lesser quality artist who are making less that 1 k per month .
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Gomly1980 said:
Those are all good reasons why you would want to see it but not a good reason for the developer to show.

That's my problem here, all i'm seeing is why we need to see how much they are making not why the dev should show how much he's making, it's all a bit one sided.

Here's the thing, if I was to do something and get on Patreon then i'd hide how much I was making. That's between me, my wife and the tax man, no one else needs to know.

They generally show how many patrons they have so that's an idea on how it's doing but even if you did see how much it's making that isn't a sign of quality.

I've seen games making very little that were great. Ethan's Legacy, Dana, Inanna are all great stories with decent scenes and characters that don't make a great deal.

Showing how much money they are earning means nothing.
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Hey all! I appreciate the conversation but I think we have steered off topic from icstors work. At this point I think it would be better to move to PM or start a new thread on the topic.

Thanks guys
 
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My advice, before leaving, slap their face first. Some people just became too comfort and forget their ideal. I want backers not just support their finance, but also support them as developer. Icstor have gave us a good fap before, it's only our obligation to slap their face and whip their arse to straighten their origin self, a passionate developer of incestuous games.
 
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Thrownaway13 said:
You think his passion is gone? I partiality agree with you.
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No, I thought of the witch hunt that Patreon lead since two days against too obvious adult content. It's more a time to make low profile than anything else, especially when all your content is supposed to go against the rules.
 
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