Idea for an adult game site

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Out of curiosity has any game used the same method subs to subscribestar/patreon games operate, except it's bitcoin and can only do 1 time donations (no recurring pay).

Just release a game to the public (let them torrent it so you don't spend a penny on that front) and beg for donations. If it's a good game you get more donations. You'll get far less cashflow but it might still be commercially viable.

Maybe troll with it and -also- make a Patreon/Subsc page with very vanilla boring content that people use as a proxy to donate to for your content released elsewhere, just don't make it actionable by outing yourself in any way. They might still shut it down, but they'll have to change their terms of service for this new work-around, and depending on how secure you are with the "nudge nudge wink wink", they might fall over themselves doing so.
 

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Considering what kind of content will be uploaded, it's best to move in a country where the taboo content is allowed(legalised). When no one bats an eye on real stuff, they won't on fictional.
 

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in asia there is Alipay which is a payment
service in Asia using mobile devices and depending on the secondary provider you can fill it up with cash at any convenience store, malls, etc... DLSite started to use it. And since Alipay is from alibaba any pressure attempt at them would result in pissing of *gulp* Chinese government or complete ignorance.. good luck trying to pressured a company who is under by chinese government. all alipay related transaction are unreversible as payment is more of using phone and scan a QR code
Selling any adult content in China is illegal. I'm not saying people never do that, but there is no reason to believe alibaba is more nsfw-friendly than visa/mastercard.

China has their version of Patreon, afdian.com. It hosts zero adult content directly (some creators seem to be hosting on pixiv and make a fake page on afdian though), so it's far more stricter than patreon.
 

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The main question is, to find a payment processor that:
  1. Accept your content
  2. Have good enough payment plans
  3. Are accepted by the most people
  4. Don't let you down after the first issue that occurs
And as always, as the payment processor are located somewhere on the world and need to have (good enough) business relationship with the rest of the world, they:
  • Comply with the law that they are located
  • Comply with the law of the countries involved in the specific transaction
  • Mostly comply with the law (to some degree) of the rest of the world (otherwise their reputation or business will suffer in those countries)
And as Anne has written after Patreon has first delete some of the adult games (or change its rule - its a long time since then) they were people who had written that is time for a new more "adult" friendly page and here we are.
I doubt that we will see a valid Patreon alternative with kinks that are against the opinion of the payment processors and for sure not against the law(s). So either learn to live with it or...
 
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I don’t have all the answers or a team yet, just a vision and a bit of determination. But I know I’m not the only one thinking about this.
Mmmhmm.

I mean... good luck. You aren't the first person with this idea. At the end everyone bows down to the credit card companies because they control the money.

This will only work up to the point your site comes on their radar. Then it goes to hell fast.

Best of luck! :ROFLMAO:
 

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Mmmhmm.

I mean... good luck. You aren't the first person with this idea. At the end everyone bows down to the credit card companies because they control the money.

This will only work up to the point your site comes on their radar. Then it goes to hell fast.

Best of luck! :ROFLMAO:
It's either to make games for free and post them here or to sell them on Deep Dark Web.
 
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It's either to make games for free and post them here or to sell them on Deep Dark Web.
This is kind of where it's going. Most likely for free, and then ultimately not at all by major studios who want to make money from their ventures.

Its kind of sad and it won't stop here, they'll keep regulating until there is some sort of government intervention.
 

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Considering what kind of content will be uploaded, it's best to move in a country where the taboo content is allowed(legalised). When no one bats an eye on real stuff, they won't on fictional.
It would change nothing to the problem.

Instead of, "you can't do this here", it will be, "you can't propose this to our citizens". And when you'll discover that, country after country, you closed the access for most of your users, you'll change your mind and make your rules so you don't have to close the access.

If a place like F95Zone can exist, it's not just because it's hosted in a country where net neutrality is the rule. Before everything else, it's because there's no money involved. This make F95 in position to just brush the complaints he can receive.
But the instant there's financial transactions and you take your share on them, it's another story. If you don't comply, they'll not hesitate to held you accomplice of the crime; because legally it's what you'll be. And then it's not anymore, "stop doing this", it's, "welcome to your new home, don't mind the bars on the windows and the guards".
 

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It would change nothing to the problem.

Instead of, "you can't do this here", it will be, "you can't propose this to our citizens". And when you'll discover that, country after country, you closed the access for most of your users, you'll change your mind and make your rules so you don't have to close the access.

If a place like F95Zone can exist, it's not just because it's hosted in a country where net neutrality is the rule. Before everything else, it's because there's no money involved. This make F95 in position to just brush the complaints he can receive.
But the instant there's financial transactions and you take your share on them, it's another story. If you don't comply, they'll not hesitate to held you accomplice of the crime; because legally it's what you'll be. And then it's not anymore, "stop doing this", it's, "welcome to your new home, don't mind the bars on the windows and the guards".
I understand and appreciate the legal reality you're pointing out, especially around financial transactions and international compliance. You're absolutely right that once money is involved, scrutiny increases. But I don't think it's the end of the road, and I don’t believe jail is the inevitable outcome for hosting adult games with controversial themes.

Platforms like F95Zone do operate largely without censorship because they're not financially involved, yes. But even they rely on donations and affiliate links, so there is money involved, just not in the same transparent or taxable way. What I'm exploring is how to walk that line transparently, perhaps through crypto, jurisdictional protections, and carefully structured terms of service that protect both devs and the platform.

The key difference between this and Steam or Patreon is that I'm not trying to police morality. I'm not here to say “you can’t post this,” I'm here to give devs a space where audiences decide what succeeds, not corporate lawyers or payment processors.

Yes, it will require some legal creativity. Yes, some countries may block it, and we may need to geofence them. But the idea that devs who want to host NC, hypnosis, slave, blackmail, or other edgy content must forever be exiled to the shadows, that’s what I'm challenging, because I fear it will only get worse.

I'm not aiming to break laws, I'm aiming to build a new home within the law, tailored for adult creators, where tags like lesbian, gay, vanilla, NTR, drug, beast, and everything else can coexist, without censorship from platforms trying to maintain a “family friendly” image and enabling creative freedom, where fiction is fiction.
 
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Sure, but laws will aim to break you :(

I don't think F95 is "without money involved" though. It has ads here and there. I highly doubt they put this banner on because they're ideologically AI supporters:

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I think if there is a Content Policy (Legal Clarity over Censorship) available within the platform.

We're not trying to police morals, but must draw a legal line:
  • Strictly prohibit real illegal content (CSAM, revenge porn, actual rape videos, etc.)
  • But allow fictional, fantasy-based content with clearly labeled tags and age verification.
  • Make all participants in visual media 18+ models (rendered or real).
  • Include consent disclaimers (e.g., “all scenes are fictional, all characters are 18+, etc.”)

And I think for jurisdiction and hosting purposes, it needs:
  • Privacy- and adult-friendly web hosting, like Offshore VPS (Netherlands, Switzerland, Iceland, or Estonia .
  • A business base in a country with a more liberal stance on adult fiction — like Estonia, Czechia, or even the UK (if transparent and registered right).
  • Register the platform under a legitimate corporate entity, so we can take payments and appear serious to providers.
 

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But I don't think it's the end of the road, and I don’t believe jail is the inevitable outcome for hosting adult games with controversial themes.
No, jail is the outcome if hosting illegal shit, as you can read it here.
What I'm exploring is how to walk that line transparently, perhaps through crypto, jurisdictional protections, and carefully structured terms of service that protect both devs and the platform.
And I was in the believe you wanted to do the next Patreon or Steam. If so, you want to have a platform for a majority of peoples and many people don't use crypto and many people don't want to use a shady site with questionable reputation.
I'm not here to say “you can’t post this,” I'm here to give devs a space where audiences decide what succeeds, not corporate lawyers or payment processors.
So, you let any content on it? 3, 2, 1, knock knock.
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I'm not aiming to break laws, I'm aiming to build a new home within the law, tailored for adult creators, where tags like lesbian, gay, vanilla, NTR, drug, beast, and everything else can coexist, without censorship from platforms trying to maintain a “family friendly” image and enabling creative freedom, where fiction is fiction.
You can already do that with the same payment processors:

It mostly depend on the fees they implement and usually they are a lot higher for adult content than for most others.
  • Make all participants in visual media 18+ models (rendered or real).
  • Include consent disclaimers (e.g., “all scenes are fictional, all characters are 18+, etc.”)
And consent disclaimers have limited power, otherwise all fictional characters would always be old enough adults and the court couldn't do much...
...Well, simple question, do you believe that this one Australian games dev have put an "18+ and fictional" disclaimer into his game or not?
Then why, if those disclaimer have so much power, does he need to go to jail?

Also a game dev from Russia who do an gay or lesbian game will, for sure, risk jail, regardless of the platform he use, cause Russian is homophobic. And it is the same for other topic/theme with other nations...
And do not believe that dark web and crypto will help you there (much).
 
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The key difference between this and Steam or Patreon is that I'm not trying to police morality. I'm not here to say “you can’t post this,” I'm here to give devs a space where audiences decide what succeeds, not corporate lawyers or payment processors.
This is what every platform wants to do. And then they understand rules, regulations, lawyers contact them, authority involvement, and payment processors come at you.

Just because you want to not police something won't still make you liable for what people put up and you take payments from.

If you go only crypto your page will probably be DOA before it even picks up. I dont think crypto is at a position with the general public where you'll be able to cover hosting fees and other costs you'd need to pay after you also go through the trouble of converting that back into normal money again. The people who work for you probably won't want to be paid in crypto, they'll want recognized fiat currency for their region.
 

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A business base in a country with a more liberal stance on adult fiction
Yeah, this (and having an attorney who understands that country's related laws) would be the key.

I don't even know if such a country exists though. I am not an expert, but my gut instinct is that even high school anime girls would rule out like 90% of countries worldwide. And if we are talking actual "loli" here, your choices are... uh, only Japan? But then you'll need to do mosaic censorship...
 

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Sidenote but some of your comments are eerily familiar to how Ross Ulbricht wanted to run his marketplace - . Yes the content differ in legality but you both share the same vision and approach. Food for thought maybe.
In fact the more I think about it, putting the site on TOR is probably the best option because everyone benefits from the increased privacy and lack of censorship. You already have the crypto barrier, why not add this second one that'll actually solve a bunch of your problems at the same time? If a user is willing to learn how to use and buy crypto, they will learn how to install the TOR browser.

What i'd suggest before you sink money into this, or solicit other people for money is by starting very, very small and;
1. Buy a domain, setup a subdomain for each developer to point to 2.
2. Buy a $5 VPS for each developer you can entice onboard and on each one install ( ) and hook it up to the developers wallets. (big problem here is they need to trust you as you have wallet access too but you had that problem originally anyway)
3. Charge nothing and wait 2 or 3 months. (at most this entire thing should cost $100)

By now you'll know just how many people are willing to use crypto and you'll have saved yourself thousands in costs and hundreds of hours of work & development. Not to mention, you won't have the local police kicking in your door.
 

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It's kind of funny because Kagura Games has been doing this for a while now and no one even mentions them. I think that shows just how difficult this really is.

I feel like you're focusing all your efforts on the vendor side of this and forgetting about the customer side. I'm pretty sure every other adult games focused storefront failed because they couldn't attract and maintain paying customers, not because of the infra like you said. I have no evidence of this but i remember many attempts to do the same thing even before Patreon existed.
 

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But I don't think it's the end of the road, and I don’t believe jail is the inevitable outcome for hosting adult games with controversial themes.
Someone buy a game involving bestiality, while it's illegal in his country to buy such content.
Your platform proposed him to buy the game, you are guilty of incentive to commit a crime.
You take your share on the transaction, you are guilty of concealment since that money come from a crime.

It's not more complicated than this.

Of course, you'll not be sent to jail right from the start.
At first you'll receive a proper letter presenting you the facts, and asking you to stop immediately.
If you don't comply, you'll receive a notification telling you that your company will be prosecuted. This open the gate to negotiation, offering you the possibility to just have to pay an expensive fine.
If you decline the negotiation, you'll be sentenced to a more expensive fine.
If you still haven't complied after all this, next time you'll receive the notification without prior warning, you'll not have the possibility to negotiate, and the sentence will not be limited to a fine.

Obviously, there's a parade to this, going all dark.
No company operating the platform, hiding the identity of everyone involved in the platform, working solely with crypto, relying on an account opened in a tax heaven for everything related to the platform, and hosting in a country that will not put the site down. With this, you can operate your platform, it will never be put down, and the chance that someone find a name are low...
But "low" doesn't mean "none-existent". Your platform will be suspicious as fuck, you'll have the police forces from all countries looking at it. Soon or later you'll make an error and they'll know who you are. And when they'll do, don't believe that you'll avoid jail, nor that you'll be there for less than a decade. You turned your platform into a mafia operation, you'll be sentenced like the head of a mafia organization.


The key difference between this and Steam or Patreon is that I'm not trying to police morality. I'm not here to say “you can’t post this,” I'm here to give devs a space where audiences decide what succeeds, not corporate lawyers or payment processors.
It isn't, and have never been, a question of [whatever] trying to enforce its sense of morality.

What kind of morality is Patreon enforcing by banning none consensual sex and letting strong BDSM content exist as long as the consent is clearly expressed? Both are morally reprehensible in the same way in moral crusaders eyes.
Same for incest. What is the logic in banning it in the name of morality and letting cheating games exist?

No, from the starts its a question of people trying to enforce the Law. And it's why even SubscribeStar, despite its initial stance, finally complied. You can resist face to a moral crusade, but will always come a time when you've to comply face to the Law.


But the idea that devs who want to host NC, hypnosis, slave, blackmail, or other edgy content must forever be exiled to the shadows, that’s what I'm challenging, because I fear it will only get worse.
Seven years that Patreon have its loli/bestiality/none concensual/incest ban.
Seven years that I hear people say your "I feat it will only get worse".
Seven years that nothing have been added to the list.
It's the opposite that happened since, seven years ago you couldn't sell adult games on Steam.

As I said above, it's just the enforcement of the Law, nothing else. Now, does this enforcement the goes too far? Probably in part.

But, as I said in another thread, with devs like who, among other charges, owned real life p*d*shit content, or pers0nas who sexually assaults way too many underage girls, is it surprising that authorities starts to be afraid? They are a minority among adult games developers, the black sheep that no one want, but they exist and it's enough to cast suspicion on all the others.
Enough for the authorities to look at a game involving loli, or rape, and wonder if the author express a pure fantasy, or if he talk about something that he do in real life.
Enough too for the authorities to wonder if the game is just a game, or if it also serve to gather persons sharing the same real life practice.
In the end, enough for the authorities to want to prevent those particular games to exist.

Of course, even them aren't dumb enough to think that it will make the problem disappear. But if a game serve to gather persons sharing the same real life practice, how many people will turn what was only a fantasy into a real life practice, thanks to the new friends they made?
"Few", I totally agree on this. But even if it's just 0.1% of them, it's already 0.1% too many. Even if it's just one, it's one too many p*d*shit or rapist, and who know how many future victims...
Even if it's a p*d*shit who stay on westy side, and only look at real life content without assaulting people, this real life content don't come from nowhere. There's underage girls and boys who are assaulted to produce them. One more viewer will not, by itself, create more victims, but it will keep the market running. And as long as the market is running, there will be new victims.


I'm not aiming to break laws, I'm aiming to build a new home within the law, tailored for adult creators, where tags like lesbian, gay, vanilla, NTR, drug, beast, and everything else can coexist, without censorship from platforms trying to maintain a “family friendly” image and enabling creative freedom, where fiction is fiction.
Obviously, 99,9% of us are totally innocent; perverts, but harmless ones. And it's what you are seeing, what you are focusing on, because it's what you are.

It's also what I am, but I've seen the other side. In the past I (very modestly) contributed to fight it. And, believe me, the day you see for the first time a girl that probably wasn't older than 5 with a dick forced in her mouth, you want that no other girl have to live this.

And it's also what the authorities want, that no other girl have to live this. It's why they don't care about the 99,9% of us, why they don't care about the innocent collateral damage that we are. What they care about is the real possible victims, and they try, with the means at their disposal, to protect them.
And if this mean preventing harmless perverts to make, or play, games for which they already know that a tiny portion hide real life crimes, for them, but also for me and a majority of world, it's a small price to pay.
We can live without our virtual loli porn games. We can live without our virtual none consensual sex games. Not playing them will change absolutely nothing in our life. But the victims, whatever of p*d*shit, or of rapist, it's different. The ones that have the chance to still be alive after this, and with p*d*shit they aren't this many, will never ever be the same...


TL;DR:
You want to legally create and operate something that, by its nature and because of an extrem minority, will always be seen as illegal.
It shouldn't be seen that way, I totally agree on this. But as long as there's victims, it will be.
 
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Someone buy a game involving bestiality, while it's illegal in his country to buy such content.
Your platform proposed him to buy the game, you are guilty of incentive to commit a crime.
You take your share on the transaction, you are guilty of concealment since that money come from a crime.

It's not more complicated than this.

Of course, you'll not be sent to jail right from the start.
At first you'll receive a proper letter presenting you the facts, and asking you to stop immediately.
If you don't comply, you'll receive a notification telling you that your company will be prosecuted. This open the gate to negotiation, offering you the possibility to just have to pay an expensive fine.
If you decline the negotiation, you'll be sentenced to a more expensive fine.
If you still haven't complied after all this, next time you'll receive the notification without prior warning, you'll not have the possibility to negotiate, and the sentence will not be limited to a fine.

Obviously, there's a parade to this, going all dark.
No company operating the platform, hiding the identity of everyone involved in the platform, working solely with crypto, relying on an account opened in a tax heaven for everything related to the platform, and hosting in a country that will not put the site down. With this, you can operate your platform, it will never be put down, and the chance that someone find a name are low...
But "low" doesn't mean "none-existent". Your platform will be suspicious as fuck, you'll have the police forces from all countries looking at it. Soon or later you'll make an error and they'll know who you are. And when they'll do, don't believe that you'll avoid jail, nor that you'll be there for less than a decade. You turned your platform into a mafia operation, you'll be sentenced like the head of a mafia organization.




It isn't, and have never been, a question of [whatever] trying to enforce its sense of morality.

What kind of morality is Patreon enforcing by banning none consensual sex and letting strong BDSM content exist as long as the consent is clearly expressed? Both are morally reprehensible in the same way in moral crusaders eyes.
Same for incest. What is the logic in banning it in the name of morality and letting cheating games exist?

No, from the starts its a question of people trying to enforce the Law. And it's why even SubscribeStar, despite its initial stance, finally complied. You can resist face to a moral crusade, but will always come a time when you've to comply face to the Law.




Seven years that Patreon have its loli/bestiality/none concensual/incest ban.
Seven years that I hear people say your "I feat it will only get worse".
Seven years that nothing have been added to the list.
It's the opposite that happened since, seven years ago you couldn't sell adult games on Steam.

As I said above, it's just the enforcement of the Law, nothing else. Now, does this enforcement the goes too far? Probably in part.

But, as I said in another thread, with devs like who, among other charges, owned real life p*d*shit content, or pers0nas who sexually assaults way too many underage girls, is it surprising that authorities starts to be afraid? They are a minority among adult games developers, the black sheep that no one want, but they exist and it's enough to cast suspicion on all the others.
Enough for the authorities to look at a game involving loli, or rape, and wonder if the author express a pure fantasy, or if he talk about something that he do in real life.
Enough too for the authorities to wonder if the game is just a game, or if it also serve to gather persons sharing the same real life practice.
In the end, enough for the authorities to want to prevent those particular games to exist.

Of course, even them aren't dumb enough to think that it will make the problem disappear. But if a game serve to gather persons sharing the same real life practice, how many people will turn what was only a fantasy into a real life practice, thanks to the new friends they made?
"Few", I totally agree on this. But even if it's just 0.1% of them, it's already 0.1% too many. Even if it's just one, it's one too many p*d*shit or rapist, and who know how many future victims...
Even if it's a p*d*shit who stay on westy side, and only look at real life content without assaulting people, this real life content don't come from nowhere. There's underage girls and boys who are assaulted to produce them. One more viewer will not, by itself, create more victims, but it will keep the market running. And as long as the market is running, there will be new victims.




Obviously, 99,9% of us are totally innocent; perverts, but harmless ones. And it's what you are seeing, what you are focusing on, because it's what you are.

It's also what I am, but I've seen the other side. In the past I (very modestly) contributed to fight it. And, believe me, the day you see for the first time a girl that probably wasn't older than 5 with a dick forced in her mouth, you want that no other girl have to live this.

And it's also what the authorities want, that no other girl have to live this. It's why they don't care about the 99,9% of us, why they don't care about the innocent collateral damage that we are. What they care about is the real possible victims, and they try, with the means at their disposal, to protect them.
And if this mean preventing harmless perverts to make, or play, games for which they already know that a tiny portion hide real life crimes, for them, but also for me and a majority of world, it's a small price to pay.
We can live without our virtual loli porn games. We can live without our virtual none consensual sex games. Not playing them will change absolutely nothing in our life. But the victims, whatever of p*d*shit, or of rapist, it's different. The ones that have the chance to still be alive after this, and with p*d*shit they aren't this many, will never ever be the same...


TL;DR:
You want to legally create and operate something that, by its nature and because of an extrem minority, will always be seen as illegal.
It shouldn't be seen that way, I totally agree on this. But as long as there's victims, it will be.
After reading all of this, this can scary people into even wanting to make questionable games let alone buy them. Props to those who mess with this shit. Thanks for information. Idk why people are so insistent on this. I have only seen Devs and people who want taboo and hardcore content complain. Other Devs are perfectly happy with their content and have their audience. That is until even wholesome nsfw vanilla is banned.
 

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Someone buy a game involving bestiality, while it's illegal in his country to buy such content.
Your platform proposed him to buy the game, you are guilty of incentive to commit a crime.
You take your share on the transaction, you are guilty of concealment since that money come from a crime.

It's not more complicated than this.

Of course, you'll not be sent to jail right from the start.
At first you'll receive a proper letter presenting you the facts, and asking you to stop immediately.
If you don't comply, you'll receive a notification telling you that your company will be prosecuted. This open the gate to negotiation, offering you the possibility to just have to pay an expensive fine.
If you decline the negotiation, you'll be sentenced to a more expensive fine.
If you still haven't complied after all this, next time you'll receive the notification without prior warning, you'll not have the possibility to negotiate, and the sentence will not be limited to a fine.
It completely depends on which country you are in and which country's authority is prosecuting you. However, very generally speaking, these kinds of situations result in region lock instead of jail time.

A lot of games on DLSite are illegal in other countries. But DLSite's staff are not sent to jail (yet). Actually, a lot countries in the world has made porn 100% illegal. It might surprise you, but in Korea even vanilla porn is illegal. Yes, the south one. But as far as I know no PornHub employees are currently inside Korean cells.
 

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Your examples fail.

A lot of games on DLSite are illegal in other countries. But DLSite's staff are not sent to jail (yet).
DLSite blocks access to certain content based upon the IP address used to access the site.

But as far as I know no PornHub employees are currently inside Korean cells.
PornHub is geolocked from being viewed by people with Korean IP addresses.

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If people where the content is illegal access using VPN, they are violating the law - not DLSite or PornHub.