I’m having trouble finding a way to make money from my work.

[Kartikiks]

Hello. I’d like to briefly introduce myself. I consider myself a “poor nobody” – I’ve had issues in my relationships with loved ones for most of my life. I create rather specific content and I’m wondering if there’s a way to make money from it.

Firstly, I make quite a few (well-regarded) tools for sites like Civitai – I’ve got some really interesting tools and a 2D style.

Secondly, on a site called JanitorAI, I have quite a few bots. - they are also very popular.

I’m now wondering where and how I could host all of this in order to earn money – I was thinking about something like Patronite. The problem is, I’m worried my content might not be accepted there.

I am looking for advice for place where i could raise money/patrons like in patronite and where i could link bots or my work work. I want to share evrything for free ayway. I was just asked few times if i can be followed somwhere and few guys asked for way to make a tip.

I'am into 2d works and mom/son fetish..... i never had any affection towards my real mother, its just a kink. Problem is its almost evrywhere forbidden. I want to freely express myself and even 200/300$ would be alot. And i see guys with way, way worst stuff than what i make making 10/15 times that. If anyone would have any idea or advice i would be happy to hear.

My idea for that is i would link evrything i do there and guys that would tip would be able to ask me there to make some for them. That's it. Like weekly vote or something.

 

[woody554]

patreon forbids both incest and ai tools focused on generating sexual imagery. most platforms do.

 

[Kartikiks]

i know - and i don't want to spam ai images.... i make tools for it. And i think i make realy decent stuff. But i cant find a way to profit aut of it. i would want to spend more time on it (i like doing it) but i don't want to engage in commissions or stuff like that. I would be happy if somone who would want would be able to tip me, no pressure, no premium content. But its hard to find something like that. I would be thankfull for any idea.

 

[Crimson Delight Games]

i know - and i don't want to spam ai images.... i make tools for it. And i think i make realy decent stuff. But i cant find a way to profit aut of it.

Would you consider making a short game (visual novel) to show off your work? You can monetize it on Steam, they allow incest content I think.

 

[Noah Neim]

Secondly, on a site called JanitorAI, I have quite a few bots. - they are also very popular.

You would 100% need to ask your audience of people, I've yet to see anyone actuall monetize their bot making because it's genuinely poor work in general, I consider all cards with defintions below 1.5k instantly thrown out, and janitor doesn't have multiple greetins or lore books so I don't use it often.


I'm not too familiar with your other skill sets so no specific advice but.
You need to provide tangible benefits to the people you're trying to sell, don't be pushy when you try to advertise, if you have discord, put it in your bio and that's it, same as anywhere else, put it in a visible spot, offer benefits, prove your ability, and deliver.
Patreon does have guidelines, but plenty of porn game devs use it and make bank (seriously, look at patreon trackers).
Good luck, be ready to have your content stolen, most likely from us too, since this is a pirating platform.

 

[Count Morado]

Patreon does have guidelines, but plenty of porn game devs use it and make bank (seriously, look at patreon trackers).

This is not true.

While there are 8800 adult game creators on Patreon - only a minority of them "make bank"
In fact, of those 8800, there are over 2000 who don't even have 1 paid subsriber.
Of the 6800-ish that have at least 1 paid subscriber or just started in the past year - about 4000 of them bring in less than $100 USD per month.
Even those who have had a patreon creator page for 4 years or longer and at least 1 paid subscriber - about 50% of them don't get above that $100 USD per month
That's not bank. That's not even minimum wage.
Only about 450 or so of the 8800 bring in more than $2000 USD per month.

But then I guess it depends if you were talking about real money or a piggy bank.

 

[Kartikiks]

Would you consider making a short game (visual novel) to show off your work? You can monetize it on Steam, they allow incest content I think.

Hey, just to make things clear. I’m not some extreme fetishist... it doesn’t have to be explicitly mom/son; it’s enough if people can guess what’s going on. I’m not attracted to my own mother or anything like that... I know it sounds strange, but for me it’s mainly about not being able to subconsciously process the idea that any woman could be interested in me for a reason other than pity. That’s why most of the content I create involves older women. As for the Mom/Son fetish itself, I don’t think it’s extremely vulgar in my work.


I don’t have enough programming knowledge to make a game like that quickly. But I could definitely do it if I spent some time on it later—I’ll think about it. I wonder if, for example, I created this type of content and didn’t post it on Patronite directly, but just included a link saying something like, “If anyone enjoys this, you can support me on Patronite for $3,” would that risk getting me banned from Patronite if the content itself didn’t break any guidelines?


Right now, what I’m doing is just a form of expression, but a lot of people have told me that the chatbots I make, or especially the tools I share on Civitai, are good enough that they ask if I take commissions or if I can do something for them. The problem is, the payment there comes in points on the site, which I can’t even exchange for a piece of bread. I don’t want to force myself to do anything—I want to keep treating this as a form of expression and fun. But if I had at least some minimal financial support, I could devote a bit more time to it without feeling guilty.


On Civitai, I haven’t written anything about my preferences, but on the chatbot site, under every other post involving a “stepmom” bot, there are people telling me to kill myself. So I’m not sure how to deal with that. One person I helped with tools for a game told me I should set up a Patronite with “softer” content.

 

[Kartikiks]

You would 100% need to ask your audience of people, I've yet to see anyone actuall monetize their bot making because it's genuinely poor work in general, I consider all cards with defintions below 1.5k instantly thrown out, and janitor doesn't have multiple greetins or lore books so I don't use it often.


I'm not too familiar with your other skill sets so no specific advice but.
You need to provide tangible benefits to the people you're trying to sell, don't be pushy when you try to advertise, if you have discord, put it in your bio and that's it, same as anywhere else, put it in a visible spot, offer benefits, prove your ability, and deliver.
Patreon does have guidelines, but plenty of porn game devs use it and make bank (seriously, look at patreon trackers).
Good luck, be ready to have your content stolen, most likely from us too, since this is a pirating platform.

I don’t have any problem with someone “stealing” my work—I just think the quality is pretty good. It’s enough for me if, from time to time, someone leaves me a tip because they like what I do. I’m not even sure I’d restrict the content in any way. I think it would be more fair if the people who support me could simply vote or request the next piece of content to better suit their preferences. I don’t want to turn myself into a porn factory or create tools that aren’t really for me.

 

[Crimson Delight Games]

I don’t have enough programming knowledge to make a game like that quickly. But I could definitely do it if I spent some time on it later—I’ll think about it.

RenPy's pretty easy to get a handle on, you could probably wrangle it over a single weekend... then put together a demo with your assets and whatever story you personally find fun to play. Start monetizing your content that way, might be the quickest path to getting a revenue stream. Just keep in mind game dev is more work than fun, it gets really grindy at times.

 

[obibobi]

This is not true.

While there are 8800 adult game creators on Patreon - only a minority of them "make bank"
In fact, of those 8800, there are over 2000 who don't even have 1 paid subsriber.
Of the 6800-ish that have at least 1 paid subscriber or just started in the past year - about 4000 of them bring in less than $100 USD per month.
Even those who have had a patreon creator page for 4 years or longer and at least 1 paid subscriber - about 50% of them don't get above that $100 USD per month
That's not bank. That's not even minimum wage.
Only about 450 or so of the 8800 bring in more than $2000 USD per month.

But then I guess it depends if you were talking about real money or a piggy bank.

Why did you post these stats, as if all 8800 of these devs are worth defending when out of that 75%, even 1 subscriber is more than many of them deserve, most of the games on this site are nowhere close to playable or enjoyable.

Not to dissuade people from supporting devs who put the work in, I would see more of it, take your money from Darkcookie or CyanCapsule and find Devs who put the effort in but people make full games for Steam, games that are considered good and will still not make a profit.

The real question is how many devs release a decent Adult game with effort and fail to make a profit? I guess the answer there is subjective but it would smaller than 8800.

 

[Count Morado]

Why did you post these stats, as if all 8800 of these devs are worth defending

First, I'm not defending anyone. If a person gets so triggered from the data and facts that they cannot see simply stating data is not defending but offering information... the problem isn't the developers. It's the person in their mirror.

most of the games on this site are nowhere close to playable or enjoyable.

That's an opinion. I wasn't stating opinions in the post I shared. I stated data and facts.

While I agree there may be identifiable games that aren't "playable" compared to a completed game - know that you are comparing apples to oranges. Players who get most of the games off this site and from platforms like Patreon and Subscribestar are getting games in development and they should keep that in mind while measuring their dicks against that and, even then, they'd still come up short.

As for enjoyable - that is another opinion. What is enjoyable to you or me... what is not enjoyable to you or me... are our personal preferences and we should not be using our personal preferences to be speaking for even a measurable number of the over 8 million users who have used this site. We can speak for what we each enjoy or not enjoy and quote what certain others have said. That's it.

Not to dissuade people from supporting devs who put the work in, I would see more of it, take your money from Darkcookie or CyanCapsule and find Devs who put the effort in but people make full games for Steam, games that are considered good and will still not make a profit.

And again, this is your opinion. My post was not an opinion post. It was a data and information post of facts.

Some people do what you would like them to do - and I say people can do with their money as they see fit, whether I agree with their choices or not.

I have never paid for a game found on this site.
I have never subscribed to a creator on this site.
I have never donated to a creator on this site.

I have taken everything I have played on this site without any remuneration, compensation, donation, contribution to the creators. And I do not think any person, including myself, has the right to tell someone else what they should do with their own money - especially when I am not even dropping a penny on said content.

The real question is how many devs release a decent Adult game with effort and fail to make a profit? I guess the answer there is subjective but it would smaller than 8800.

Um, duh? If 8800 is the total number of all the adult game developers, then the number of them who, in your opinion, put in the "effort" you think required for a "decent Adult game" would be smaller than 8800. And the number who make a profit would be even smaller than that.

If of the 8800 adult game developers on Patreon, 2000 with at least a year on Patreon do not even have 1 paid subscriber and another 4000 earn less than $100 USD per month... Whether a developer has released "a decent Adult game with effort" or not - it is highly likely that less than 1/3rd of them have made a profit.

That was the WHOLE POINT of my post - to provide facts, data, and information - REFUTING THE OPINION of the person I replied to when they said "plenty of porn game devs use it and make bank."

The FACTS do not support that. In FACT, plenty of porn game devs use Patreon and don't make jack or shit. No matter if they put out a "decent Adult game" that I might find (or you might find) "enjoyable."

And before you ask - I pulled the data that Graphtreon makes available and analyzed it in December. Just like I did the year before that and the year before that. I attached the data to my analysis for others if they wished to work the data over, as well - so I'm not hiding anything in that analysis.

Funny thing is - in the end, we both agree that many developers are not making a profit ("good" and "bad" - whatever your opinion ). But you decided to accuse me of defending "bad" developers and thus clouded your perception, obfuscating your vision of our agreement on the facts.

Edited to fix the link.​

 

[woody554]

“If anyone enjoys this, you can support me on Patronite for $3,” would that risk getting me banned from Patronite if the content itself didn’t break any guidelines?

not if the content doesn't break the pareon rules, of course. but they do see where the traffic to their page comes from and if it's your bannable content they (if you're very lucky) ask you to remove the link, or just ban your account then and there.

 

[Kartikiks]

not if the content doesn't break the pareon rules, of course. but they do see where the traffic to their page comes from and if it's your bannable content they (if you're very lucky) ask you to remove the link, or just ban your account then and there.

i did try to understand their terms of service. I cant see anywhere anything abaut banning somone for links autside their service. i cant post or have links anywhere on my channel - but thats it. at least from what i can understand

 

[Anita Deek]

Get an actual job.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

i did try to understand their terms of service. I cant see anywhere anything abaut banning somone for links autside their service. i cant post or have links anywhere on my channel - but thats it. at least from what i can understand

Trust me, they do indeed do just that. I've personally seen the evidence of patreon doing it to various devs.

 

[Kartikiks]

Get an actual job.

Well. Think I'd rather make incest games and generate petabytes of AI porn - But thanks for the advice.

 

[Count Morado]

i did try to understand their terms of service. I cant see anywhere anything abaut banning somone for links autside their service. i cant post or have links anywhere on my channel - but thats it. at least from what i can understand

morphnet can help: https://f95zone.to/post/14379706

Well. Think I'd rather make incest games and generate petabytes of AI porn - But thanks for the advice.

You're are many more times more likely to be able to pay bills, eat, and have a roof over your head if you work at a traditional job and create what you want to create as a side-gig.

 

[morphnet]

i did try to understand their terms of service. I cant see anywhere anything abaut banning somone for links autside their service. i cant post or have links anywhere on my channel - but thats it. at least from what i can understand

Count Morado is right, it's in their terms of use found here

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Kartikiks]

Count Morado is right, it's in their terms of use found here

You must be registered to see the links

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i see that. But they have to prove its me? if i does something and place my link to my patreon and write something like "im fun of that guy artwork, i use them here, if you want you can suppoort him" they can just assume its me ? - it's wierd. I gues its grey area soo they can just ban who they want and don't care.

 

[morphnet]

i see that. But they have to prove its me? if i does something and place my link to my patreon and write something like "im fun of that guy artwork, i use them here, if you want you can suppoort him" they can just assume its me ? - it's wierd. I gues its grey area soo they can just ban who they want and don't care.

That is not how it works. They don't just ban who they want. They ban people who break their rules, by signing up people accept the rules and agree to follow them. After they find a problem they contact you and give you a chance to fix it.

It's not a good idea to jump to conclusions or make assumptions. If you are serious about wanting to make a living you need to follow the rules and also take the time to make sure you understand the terms that will apply to you.

Also it is unfair to say they don't care when you haven't even had dealings with them yet. They do care, they care about their business and about the creators that use their service.