Incest and Patreon from the start

[Deleted member 167032]

HI all (Mainly directed at devs who's games have incest)

My next game wil have incest and it's actually critical that I have it in the story. It's part of the story. Problem for me is to now change it for Patreon and still have it make sense using (the dreaded Landlady shit. I'll refrain from using Landlady and find some other name)

I spoke to Wurg about this and he's given me some great advice. It seems I'll have to write almost two stories at the same time?

For those dev and modders whom have done this, what is the best approach when starting a New game. Some advice that will cut down on unnecessary work when doing the incest patch and doing the non incest version?

I have been reading this also...




EDIT: On other thing is .. I can't exactly leave any code indicating to mom/sister/aunt that may suggest I am using it for incest purposes as patreon's clever fuckers may rip the code apart if they should suspect something right?
So ill have to make a separate patch from the get go?

 

[Perverteer]

For Sisterly Lust I had to implement the censoring of incest starting from the third version. So it refers to the characters as friends in the game when it isn't patched. That dynamic takes away all the taboo stuff of course, so those instances don't really make sense. In real life nobody would bat an eye when you confess to have impregnated a friend of yours.

My new project Tales From The Unending Void is more thoroughly thought out in many ways, including how to handle incest. In the vanilla version the sisters are actually childhood friends and the aunt is their mother. That will leave out some future scenes in the vanilla version, but that can't be helped. So in essence I'm writing two branches for those passages.

If you want to be absolutely safe you can use the code detailed in the thread you linked. Coding becomes much more complicated though, as you can't rely on simple variables (you need to have ways of addressing the same character from different points of view). As far as I know Patreon doesn't do code reviews and has never punished creators for having gated incest content in the codebase of the game (yet). Parental Love goes another route and actually provides a patch with the ripped-out sexual content dealing with Ada. That last route would be my choice if Patreon actually starts cracking down on hidden incest references in the code.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Thx for reply.

I am also thinking ill have to write two different version at the same time. For instance.

MC's father who's now his caretaker, his sister will look after MC for a while. Her daughters then later on MC will have a fling with. So i cant really have a 3 some with the daughters in vanilla version. This is the biggest part that worries me... I can get around the other stuff, writing wise i feel.

I can't giveaway anything relating to the story as i know it's unique but incest / harem is integral part of the story.

When you wrote from 3 version.. did you write the story with vanilla foremost in mind and then add incest .. or write with incest in mind and add vannilla part? I am trying to find which frame of mind i have to have when writing.

For Sisterly Lust I had to implement the censoring of incest starting from the third version. So it refers to the characters as friends in the game when it isn't patched. That dynamic takes away all the taboo stuff of course, so those instances don't really make sense. In real life nobody would bat an eye when you confess to have impregnated a friend of yours.

My new project Tales From The Unending Void is more thoroughly thought out in many ways, including how to handle incest. In the vanilla version the sisters are actually childhood friends and the aunt is their mother. That will leave out some future scenes in the vanilla version, but that can't be helped. So in essence I'm writing two branches for those passages.

If you want to be absolutely safe you can use the code detailed in the thread you linked. Coding becomes much more complicated though, as you can't rely on simple variables (you need to have ways of addressing the same character from different points of view). As far as I know Patreon doesn't do code reviews and has never punished creators for having gated incest content in the codebase of the game (yet). Parental Love goes another route and actually provides a patch with the ripped-out sexual content dealing with Ada. That last route would be my choice if Patreon actually starts cracking down on hidden incest references in the code.

 

[Perverteer]

When you wrote from 3 version.. did you write the story with vanilla foremost in mind and then add incest .. or write with incest in mind and add vannilla part? I am trying to find which frame of mind i have to have when writing.

I write from the incest perspective first, still do when I write the story for TFTUV. The vanilla part is something not many players will see, so it plays second fiddle.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Thx exactly what i wanted to know...

 

[deepandsilent3dx]

On other thing is .. I can't exactly leave any code indicating to mom/sister/aunt that may suggest I am using it for incest purposes as patreon's clever fuckers may rip the code apart if they should suspect something right?

No one from Patreon will look into source code of your game. There's an urban legend.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I spoke to Wurg about this and he's given me some great advice. It seems I'll have to write almost two stories at the same time?

Yes you'll have. A landlady and a mother don't have the same reasons to be reluctant at the idea to have sex with the MC. Therefore the two must have a different background, and some dialog lines will have to differ more than just replacing "mom" by "landlady".

I have been reading this also...

Which is the most complete thread on the subject.

For those dev and modders whom have done this, what is the best approach when starting a New game. Some advice that will cut down on unnecessary work when doing the incest patch and doing the non incest version?

Mix all the different way to patch.

For the in-dialog name, go for a direct renaming of the Character object :
script.rpy

init python:
   # It have to be in an init block and not with /define/ because of the patch
   landlady = Character( "Landlady" )

patch.rpy

init 100 python:
    landlady.name = "Mom"

For the dialog lines, use the config.say_menu_text_filter when it's a small change in the dialog.
patch.rpy

init python:

    hardChanged = {
        "Of course I can't ! When she asked me to take care of you, your mother trusted me to teach you the right values. I'm sure that having sex with you is part of this.": "Of course I can't ! I'm your mother ! Do you really thing that it's natural for a mother to have sex with her son ?",
        "blablabla": "bliblibli"
         }

    def smtf( text ):
        return hardChanged[text] if text in hardChanged else text

    #  Tell Ren'py to use our function as callback.
    config.say_menu_text_filter = smtf

But prefer config.label_overrides when you've to change more than a line, of if you have to remove/add lines.
patch.rpy

init python:
    config.label_overrides["firstBJ"] = "firstBJ_incest"

label firstBG_incest:
    landlady "My son, you have to understand that what we will do is not natural."
    mc "Have you changed your mind ?"
    landlady "Of course not, but before we start, I want to be sure that you understand what it imply."
    landlady "Once I'll put my lips on your dick, we will not be anymore a mother and her son. We will be something else, something more."
    [...]
    jump whatever
# or, depending of how you'll do it
#   return

Split your game as much as possible right from the start, to make it easier for you to use one or the other method, and make it less obvious that you split because there's a patch that will benefit from this.

And that's more or less all that have to be said.

 

[Droid Productions]

Why not just admit defeat and go SubscribeStar from the beginning? If you're in it for the incest, why screw around. This thread is already all the proof of wrongthink anyone will need. When it comes to Incest, Do, or do not.. there is no landlady..

 

[Deleted member 167032]

RTP is already on SubscribeStar and not much coming from that platform... But I'll think about it thx

Why not just admit defeat and go SubscribeStar from the beginning? If you're in it for the incest, why screw around. This thread is already all the proof of wrongthink anyone will need. When it comes to Incest, Do, or do not.. there is no landlady..

 

[woody554]

anybody have tips for making your renpy game more easily patchable in the landlady/roommate/friend context? what kind of practices to follow, or more importantly what to avoid? what are the things that give the patch writer gray hair and unnecessary amount of manual fixing?

I'm thinking along the lines of having set of pronoun variables with commented alternatives:

define m = Character("Mom") # switch to 'Karen' for no-cest, used by her children/roommates
define karen = Character("Karen") # mom's name, used by her sister/neighbour

default mom = "mom" # switch to 'friend' as in "Is your [mom] gonna be there?"
default son = "son" # switch to 'friend' as above

default yourmom = "your mom" # 'your friend'
default mymom = "my mom" # 'Karen'
...and similarly for any specific uses where blindly replacing 'mom' with 'friend' won't work.


the idea is to keep the variables in one place and contextually descriptive so you can still write dialogue like "I can't believe [mymom] just gave me a handjob!" and it'll work with 'Karen' just as well out of the box.

obviously it requires being mindful of the ways you can use 'mom' in text so it still works with 'Karen' or 'landlady' or whatever you're replacing it with, but most of those differences can be written around of when you KNOW it needs to double as 'Karen' or whatever. it will restrict your expressions somewhat, but if you REALLY need something more you can create a new variable for it. although of course the smaller your set of pronoun variables are the easier it is to manage.

this must be something people have tried already. is there some problem with the approach I'm not thinking of?

 

[lancelotdulak]

This might not help. But most fetishes arent about that fetish. ACTUAL incest or even the desire to do it is pretty rare in our society, but in vn games it's pretty big. That's because it's not about incest. And the games w incest where "young boy comes home from college to live w sister and mom!" .. who instantly turn into straight up hookers.. isnt popular. Those games fail over and over. It's about a: forbidden.. everyone wants what they cant have b: "signs of actual lust" .. ie you meet some guys gf/wife.. and youre a good guy.. and you two have that instant attraction.. you 'know' its real. Whereas a male and female meet they may fake it. ETC etcetc etc. "Tentacle porn" isnt about wanting to see alien monsters rape japanese teens.. its about corruption/seduction ie bringing out the 'dirty lusty' side of miss innocent or whatever. MOST fetishes arent about what people think they are. I know this because i studied it for a living purveying adult content. Celebrity fetishes are generally about "this celeb is this person in my head". BDSM is mostly about safety i think. The 'master' has no emotional risk because they completely control their subby. The subby takes no risk because the master pays hyperattention to them so theyre not taking emotional risk etc. This isnt 100% true but for most it is. In adult "Amateur" is Huge to the point that adult companies produce "amateur" content.. that of course isnt. Thats because as a rule people dont want to watch a girl they just saw take 15 dudes a donkey and a baseball bat in another porn where shes miss innocent... they dont want to watch a sexrobot whos literally bored while someone shoves a log up her anus. They want to see a woman who actually experiences Lust. In other words you can change the fetish around by using the same core attractions. Room for Rent does this. Theyre using the same core desires as incest, cuckold, cheating etc fetishes. "Heres someone whos very hot, forbidden on multiple levels." ie if they seek sex with mc it's actual lust. Compare that to all the games with better models and gameplay out there that make $0 because every female in the game dresses like a hooker and immediately BEGS mc to have sex with them.. boring as hell. The game Corruption has horrific art but it's a seduction (ie corruption) game and is very good. It doesnt actually need the word incest in it. Big Brother is about seduction. It doesnt actually need the word incest in it.. it would just need the premise rewritten so that its forbidden in other ways for the characters to have sex. So that theres something to overcome.

TLDR: you dont need incest in games because those games are almost never actually about incest.

 

[mihosh]

Other things that may be attractive about incest setting are that

1. MC is linked with "targets" by something other than sex.
2. Family is an hierarchy and MC climbs ranks in it from omega to alpha.

I was thinking what could give similar feeling (as well as feel of forbidden fruit and "true feelings" lancelotdulak mentioned), and best I could come with is some kind of feudal settings (which could be itself set in historic medieval, fantasy, space opera etc).

Imagine a noble house, most or all of it's male members killed in recent war. Therefore, only left nobles are a matriarch and her daughters. MC is starting a lowly servant, or vassal, or even an abused son-in-law and then climb the ranks (and beds) up.

Ironically, that's exactly the plot of the many many popular female-oriented novels and mangas/manhwas, but with female MC and way less sex.

 

[Deleted member 833325]

How about at the beginning shes introduced as an adoptive mother and, throughout the game shes addressed as Mom by MC?
and maybe as a patch, only the first few introduction screens are removed, so afterwards the player gets a full mom son feeling?

would Patreon accept that?

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

How about at the beginning shes introduced as an adoptive mother and, throughout the game shes addressed as Mom by MC?
and maybe as a patch, only the first few introduction screens are removed, so afterwards the player gets a full mom son feeling?

would Patreon accept that?

No, adoptive is still taboo.

 

[anne O'nymous]

would Patreon accept that?

To complete I'm not Thea Lundgren answer, Patreon don't take incest as a sexual relationship between people sharing the same blood, but as a sexual relationship between people living as a family.

Therefore, MC's best friend mother being like a second mother for him is good ; he don't live with her. But MC's foster family, adoptive family, and step family fall under their incest ban.
Technically, it should be the same for an often used setting where the MC live with his landlady family since a really young age ; having lived most of his youth with them, they are now like his family. But I'll not be the one who'll ask Patreon if this setting is valid or not.

 

[Deleted member 833325]

To complete I'm not Thea Lundgren answer, Patreon don't take incest as a sexual relationship between people sharing the same blood, but as a sexual relationship between people living as a family.

Therefore, MC's best friend mother being like a second mother for him is good ; he don't live with her. But MC's foster family, adoptive family, and step family fall under their incest ban.
Technically, it should be the same for an often used setting where the MC live with his landlady family since a really young age ; having lived most of his youth with them, they are now like his family. But I'll not be the one who'll ask Patreon if this setting is valid or not.

Got it thanx!

 

[previouslyunusedname]

RTP is already on SubscribeStar and not much coming from that platform

Maybe because your Patreon supporters don't see a benefit to subscribing to a new site when they can support you through one they're already on?

MOST fetishes arent about what people think they are. I know this because i studied it for a living purveying adult content.

Does "studied" mean "performed double blind experiments on a random sample of the population"? Or is it more like "read it and it sounded true"? When you ask for advice on how to do something, do you appreciate people telling you that you don't actually want to do that thing?

 

[Velsomnia]

All of this is why I decided that my current game is going onto Subscribestar, im not dancing around my bestiality, incest, and sexual violence all week whenever they decide to raise a fuss about something new.

 

[imaajfpstnfo]

Hi! First post on this site.
I'm also working on a game that features all kinds of content that isn't allowed anywhere (unlicensed characters, underage, incest), all of which is absolutely integral to the story, so I can't just make a mod that gets rid of that.
How likely is it that not mentioning the game on patreon and just keeping patreon as a general support platform is going to get me out of hot water?
I've read of examples where people got removed even for just linking TO their patreon from a place that has the forbidden content. Have others been successful in getting funding if they kept their patreon entirely separate from their work?

 

[Droid Productions]

Hi! First post on this site.
I'm also working on a game that features all kinds of content that isn't allowed anywhere (unlicensed characters, underage, incest), all of which is absolutely integral to the story, so I can't just make a mod that gets rid of that.
How likely is it that not mentioning the game on patreon and just keeping patreon as a general support platform is going to get me out of hot water?
I've read of examples where people got removed even for just linking TO their patreon from a place that has the forbidden content. Have others been successful in getting funding if they kept their patreon entirely separate from their work?

Underage, Patreon is really the least of your problem. You'll get kicked off any platforms (including this one), any hosts linking your content will purge you at even a hint of it, and if you're unlucky you may have a visit from the local police.

So don't do that.