is 2023 the year of ntr?

[Pamphlet]

Who gives a damn about the confected battle between NTR and harem? I'm still waiting for the year of linux on the desktop*.

*It isn't.

 

[woody554]

ntr generally has a ~10% popularity in polls. so no, it's not gonna be the fotm. ever.

 

[Jaike]

Those tags are not well marked

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Plenty of VN don't have some of those lesser tags. Cheating is not as much clear on female protagonist VN than they are on Male Harem game. Those 4 examples among a lot of them are just the easier one I found in 5 minutes.

That it's undercounted, okay I can accept that, but do you really believe that the total is more than seven times too low? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

the Anti-NTR crew don't seem to care she's getting dicked by everyone. This makes me think those people either don't play FeMC VN or it's really all about perception.

That's because the most vocal NTR haters are all hardcore self-inserters. The same principle that leads them to become upset and personally offended when their waifu gets near a dick that isn't theirs is also the reason they wouldn't touch a female MC game. "Why would I want to play as a woman? I'm not gay, bro."

 

[Revo]

I notice an increase a female protaganist and gay games.
I think it is just a case of developers looking for a new market that doesnt have a billion competation yet.

I think the next wave will be vannila romance harem.
My reasoning: Pervertion will have become so normal that having a relationship will be the new taboo.
As in the idea of having a person you love and care for will be consider wierd in a world where friends with benifits and easy woman are the norm.
But being perverts we wont settle for just one woman.
So we will see an increase of stories around seducing multiple woman and making there lives better in our harem.
No incest, No mind break, No corruption, etc.
Just pure undulerated love.
Now excuees me while i puke.

I can probably see that, but at the same time I believe vanilla romance wont be the next wave. You estated yourself and I'll paraphrase "we are to perverted that normal aren't worth getting off" and normal vanilla won't be seen as taboo but rather boring on the long run. If anyhting, I think people are just going to find new fetishes and probably give it a weird name lol

Any good ones out?

Ntr or vanilla? On my opinion some on the games I mentioned when I created this post might be worth checking out.

Everytime...

I'm still waiting for big brother 2077 to come out where v is mc mom and johnny is the next erik

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You realise that, except your second point for fetishes that don't have a hatedom and your third point for fetishes that aren't big in Japan, this could also apply for a lot of stuff that's kinkier than "horny MC wants to have vanilla sex with a lot of people"? Even then...


... a lot of fans of those games do think just that.

I expected a lot of ntr enjoyers saying "dah, is that even a question?" or try to make fun of me, so I appreciate the link and your opinion

Let's look at the stats:

There's about 13k games archived here (30 per page * 447 pages)
325 pages if you remove abandonned/onhold (ongoing+ completed)
Netorare tag = 979 (33 pages)
747 if you count ongoing+ completed only
This is less than 10% of the full archive
If you factor only the last 6 months 11/25 pages of Netorare tagged ongoing/completed have been updated since then.
On general archive 101 pages out of 325 have been updated since the last 6 months.

So overall I would agree with you roughly 42% of all NTR games on this site have been active for the last 6 months while overall games ratio is around 30%.

So while NTR itself may not gain a lot of ground compared to the overall medium, it is more active in the grand scheme of things.

This might be just my opinion, but some of the ongoing games haven't been updated for months if not years, so I wouldn't hold the 747 pages of ongoing (exculding complete) games(was looking for examples, but couldn't find any that was popular enough to be mention) as a fact. Same thing applies as onhold games since there are some devs that say they'll update if anything happen once they hold their patreon, but just vanish or start working on a different game (ex. My virgin wife, milf pursuit, school, love, and friends, and season of loss). Also, some of the games might be completed, but because the dev ask or did something, those games have yet to be updated.

I have also seen an increase in female protagonist. In a way it could be viewed as a way to bypass the NTR tag. Female protagonist VN and Games tend to forego the idea that of Netorare as you control the woman who make the decision instead of MC whose action my divert the woman toward toward another man.

Virtually all Female protagonist game have clear cheating toward FeMC's initial love interest (she is almost always either married or fianced or in long term relationship at the start) But for some reason because the VN start with YOU ARE THE WOMAN the Anti-NTR crew don't seem to care she's getting dicked by everyone. This makes me think those people either don't play FeMC VN or it's really all about perception.

I myself do not project myself into the MC of Any VN so I don't feel the jealousy NTR seem to build in their mind. I just think having a story about a character able to fuck up and either win or lose based on player action is more fun and interesting than the one cock to rule them all Harem style that has absolutely no challenge and the only choice is creampie or facial.

It surprise me that people prefer to play as the female, rather than both or the male pov. It feels as if they are in denial and don't want to see the guy (cuck) being ntr or they like to have a direct control of the "choices" they get as the female... hard to say on my opinion, but I think the term is netorase? or netorare... can't remember/

From latest updates.

female protagonist: 4256
female protagonist, cheating: 289

female protagonist, excluding male protagonist: 3425
female protagonist, cheating, excluding male protagonist: 191

Didn't even need to check to know you were wildly wrong. Looks like this is really all about your perception.

But yes, most people who dislike NTR don't play any games with a female protagonist.

Some of the games are mislabeled, I know some games have the label of ntr, doesn't involved a person of interest, or is just a one night stand situation; rather than, I'm fallen for x person/dick and I can't stop thinking about it

If only... but It won't be me who complains if that's true

Not going to lie, part of me (not gay lol) wants an interesting gay game where your relationship matters and if you are "enemies" you can have hate sex or force him to have sex with you. if you are in friendly or romantic terms you can explore fetishes or be fuck buddies (I know there is a game being developed like that, but is too early to judge it). Oh yea, and corrupting a guy to become a trap, but that wish will never happened

 

[Revo]

That's because the most vocal NTR haters are all hardcore self-inserters. The same principle that leads them to become upset and personally offended when their waifu gets near a dick that isn't theirs is also the reason they wouldn't touch a female MC game. "Why would I want to play as a woman? I'm not gay, bro."

funny you say this since I don't like the idea of play as female (log horizon sort of gave me a fear of playig female characters lol), but I'm willing to play gay games for some reason xD

 

[Rafster]

Not going to lie, part of me (not gay lol) wants an interesting gay game where your relationship matters and if you are "enemies" you can have hate sex or force him to have sex with you. if you are in friendly or romantic terms you can explore fetishes or be fuck buddies (I know there is a game being developed like that, but is too early to judge it). Oh yea, and corrupting a guy to become a trap, but that wish will never happened

It's not the first time I read about this, I think I had a player that wanted something like this. I never thought about it, the concept of having "Hate sex" with a sworn enemy sounds hot, or even transforming him slowly into a LI... I'd give it a think for my game

 

[Revo]

It's not the first time I read about this, I think I had a player that wanted something like this. I never thought about it, the concept of having "Hate sex" with a sworn enemy sounds hot, or even transforming him slowly into a LI... I'd give it a think for my game

I got the hate sex idea from this game [VN] - [Ren'Py] - Lust Odyssey [v0.13] [Xperiment] | F95zone
the transforming into a LI sounds interesting reminds me to that short comic where the hero marries the demon lord and have a kid together as she think about killing him, but what I was referring is having a male protagonist sissify another dude (there was one I forgot the name of it) rather than the player being sissfy

 

[4xx4]

Cuckoldry is foul tbh, I'll tell you what 2023 will be it will be the year of AI generated content. Once some Japanese dev figures out how to generate more than just backgrounds, the game's on as far as people making new games from scratch not including hentai content.

 

[hakarlman]

I think the number of horribly, terribly, designed NTR games is going up. They're getting collectively shittier. Devs are getting lazier and more incompetent.

Now a days, the only reason I come to this website is to play games, but not to enjoy them, but to make notes on how incredibly shitty they are, and try not to make the same mistakes with my game.

I tried this game called Mother NTR training, and the stupid fuck face dev is using sound effects with the watermarks still in them:

*** Birds chirping, background ambient noise, then out of no where, "preview"... "preview".... *** I'm just, holy shit, this is a whole new level of lazy incompetence.

SO IMO, the NTR games are getting worse and worse, the devs are getting stupider, not smarter.

This is the only industry where there is no innovation or improvement, just degradation, stagnation and exponentially growing incompetence. So by 2025, the average porn game developer IQ will probably drop from 98 to say 92, and it will just get worse.

98% of you developers are incompetent, you're shit. GFY.

 

[Meaning Less]

I tried this game called Mother NTR training, and the stupid fuck face dev is using sound effects with the watermarks still in them:

*** Birds chirping, background ambient noise, then out of no where, "preview"... "preview".... *** I'm just, holy shit, this is a whole new level of lazy incompetence.

You have the weirdest pendatic rants over the most uninportant design elements that have nothing to do with what you are talking about... What is the relation of sfx and ntr?

Pluis, it is a game underdevelopment, not completed. Placeholder content is not the end of the world, and most games don't even have sound effects.

Meanwhile you used as an example a game with original artwork, which is already what 90%+ devs can't do, whack priorities.

 

[hakarlman]

You have the weirdest pendatic rants over the most uninportant design elements that have nothing to do with what you are talking about... What is the relation of sfx and ntr?

To clarify, I believe 2023 is going to be the year of the worst NTR games, of the lowest possible quality, due to massive developer incompetence, and it will get worse as time passes.

Pluis, it is a game underdevelopment, not completed. Placeholder content is not the end of the world, and most games don't even have sound effects.

The sound effect with watermark in it destroyed the game for me and any hope of me ever subbing to his patreon. That game makes so many catastrophic, rudimentary mistakes that could've been easily rectified had he done a little bit of research into proper writing technique.

Meanwhile you used as an example a game with original artwork, which is already what 90%+ devs can't do, whack priorities.

I agree with you here.

 

[nonotme101]

not to be a smart ass buy dose anybody know of any good ntr games

 

[Meaning Less]

not to be a smart ass buy dose anybody know of any good ntr games

Just look into the recommendation section of the forum if you want recommendations.

Try here for netorare, and here for netorase.

 

[tanstaafl]

I wouldn't say there's a major uptick in ntr at all. There's always been a healthy amount of them, some of them even good. I think most people just tend to blow things they don't like out of proportion. There may be a random few months where mostly ntr games come out and then a few months of almost none. This usually isn't even due to trends, but just how it falls out with developers schedules and game releases.