Is this considered corruption?

[Mimir's Lab]

Long story short, I'm making a game and I'm unsure if it should be tagged with corruption. I don't exactly know where the lines are drawn when it comes to corruption; I just assume corruption is taking a more prudish person and reducing their resistance to the pleasures of the flesh through whatever means is appropriate. The issue is that the games I've seen tagged with corruption seems to suggest something much more hard-core in nature, the means through drugs, mind control, or rape, and the extent to which they become corrupted is extreme (learning to like exhibitionism, gang bangs, etc.). I'm making a much more vanilla game where a friend tries to convince a prudish girl that being sexually active is okay and throughout the story, the girl becomes more open to her femininity but not to the extent that she'd fuck anybody (but her SO) anywhere. The only problem is... that the guy she's being convinced to fuck is her roommate .

Now considering that throughout the course of the "corruption", the girl never goes from nun to street whore (more like nun to girl next door who's probably a freak in bed), is this still considered corruption or is it not hard-core enough to warrant the tag? Bear in mind that turning the girl more sexually active is a major part of the story.

 

[Avaron1974]

I don't think that falls under corruption, that's kinda how it goes IRL.

We all start off as innocent kids then as we hear our friends talk we open up to the idea of sex and pretty soon we're looking for sexual escapades.

 

[desmosome]

not

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

I think I'd consider that corruption only if the friend purposely manipulates the girl for selfish reasons. Otherwise, it sounds like a pretty normal interaction.

 

[Diconica]

That is still corruption technically. Corruption is simply a behavioral change brought on by another person rather than the characters own will.

I'll try to keep this brief.
Corruption is the colloquial term for a subset of behavior modification.
So if you really want to learn about corruption research behavior modification.
You probably will be more interested in what I have to say in yellow below.

There are multiple forms / methods of behavior modification. Just going to list a few I can remember
You have incremental methods were you slowly get someone used to it over time.
You have carrot and stick methods like you use for training your pets. This one can be to various levels of severity in the stick.
Drugs - used to make the mind more pliable or willing, this can be as simple as alcohol or weed to harder drugs.
Hypnosis - plant suggestion
Environmental adaption - person adapts to survive new environment

Magic - Used to explain a lot in games in books.

Your best bet for the story you are trying to write is using incrementalism and maybe a bit of chemical plying.
If the male character uses what is seems to be like accidental exposures to break her down to start with.
Lets say he rents a movie to watch for the two of them but he swaps the movie in it out for a porn movie instead. That way it looks like the previous person who rented it returned the wrong movie. He doesn't get blamed but there is a short period of exposure.

Talks her into go to the beach and there happens to be a beauty competition going on that weekend. Gives her the opportunity to see other women exposed and men's reaction to it.

Supposed mail delivered to the wrong address (porn mag)...

Then move to his and her exposure... Accidentally walking in on one another...
Go from sorry I forgot to lock the door ... to it's no big deal we are both adults...

Once you have the character used to seeing it and talking about it you want to move them into the exploration stage.
Where you start enticing them to experiment in their own way.
Masturbation, making out, getting fondled, getting fingered, cunnilingus...

You could then through in a night were she gets drunk and takes it a step further...
The next day she rationalizes it as that she wanted it to happen...

 

[TheHighSpire]

I think it would still count. I like the definition that Diconica has:

That is still corruption technically. Corruption is simply a behavioral change brought on by another person rather than the characters own will.

I also want to touch upon the various examples you made and say: Corruption doesn't have to be hardcore. There is also an issue with how it is portrayed in most games. It usually goes through various levels, which is fine. The problem is that it is often very linear. For instance:
level:
1. You like to have sex
2. You are willing to do it anally
3. Showing your boobs at the bar is alright
4. Glory holes are amazing, no condoms plz!
5. Whew, that horse, I want it to bone me.

But that is not really how anything works, right? Yeah, sure you can corrupt and push a person in a certain direction, but does that really mean that they would be a-okay with just getting fucked at the local bar by random people. Or that they because of those experiences would go into bestiality? Not really. Corruption therefor often becomes pretty ridiculous in most cases.

The biggest misunderstanding is probably that just because you become sexually active you also become corrupted. That is not the case. Neither is it the case that just because you like exhibitionism you must also automatically like to have sex with everybody you see.

I understand that it mechanically in a game must work through various steps. It's just not an unproblematic view of it.


TLDR: Corruption as perceived in most games are not unproblematic. If your MC is influenced by another person to change, then it is corruption.

 

[desmosome]

Were talking about the fetish, not some colloquial definition of it. It needs one of two things - malicious/selfish intent by the corruptor or descent into the hardcore (exhibitionism, bdsm, mind break, bimbofication, prostitution, etc).

You can't just use a broad definition like "change in behavior." Would a sheltered Christian virgin exploring her sexuality with her boyfriend be corruption without the above 2 criteria? No.

 

[Canto Forte]

Can we use the description for this site, pretty please?

• Corruption [Corrupting someone's mind robbing them of their purity/innocence.]

This is the forced unconscionable element that makes it a kink - robbing them of their innocence.
They have to have it for starters ... they need to believe strongly in it ... it needs to be robbed...
Robbery needs violent force inducted onto someone to forcefully and unappologetically dispoe of their purity.

You woul have this if you have Mc go down on her while she is asleep, while she is intoxicated (alcohool,drugs,sleeping pills)
It is also true if he manhandles her, like rips off her wardrobe and forces himself upon her, mentally dominating her,
to the point he goes hard into her but she has no strength left to resist his advances / power / domination.

The trick is .. do you actually portray a dom - sub fetish? If she acts like his slave / whore by blackmail or violence,
I would say it is corruption, because you are using a real kink - shaming, mind break, bimbofication, prostitution

Now let us see what this means:

Prostitution is when he tells her fkk this or that guy and she does while he collects money.
Mind break is when he uses violence, blackmail, tying her up, chaining her, locking her up, depraving her of sleep,
of food, of human interaction, of light, then going down on her and thus making her corrupt by his own force,
she gets to accept his foul play because of no other option.

This is not a trick, where a prostitute or a nimpho just gets tricked into fkking Mc or some other dude.

This is about using actual kinks to force someone to submit to doing stuff they despise and would never do
of their own free will - if she never fkked before and you break her (not convincing her) by going over her will,
then it is corruption.

 

[Alcahest]

Why is the question of the corruption tag to your game an issue to you? Just make your game and let the rest sort itself out when the game is out, unless this is about NOT wanting a corruption tag because you are worried about Patreon.

 

[Mimir's Lab]

Why is the question of the corruption tag to your game an issue to you? Just make your game and let the rest sort itself out when the game is out, unless this is about NOT wanting a corruption tag because you are worried about Patreon.

Some people are pretty anal about having content show up in a game that are not tagged properly. I'd rather avoid those comments if possible. The other part is curiosity; I never quite understood what the corruption tag entails, but now I think it's much clearer to me. As for the Patreon thing, is corruption a ban-able offense?

 

[Diconica]

I think it would still count. I like the definition that Diconica has:



I also want to touch upon the various examples you made and say: Corruption doesn't have to be hardcore. There is also an issue with how it is portrayed in most games. It usually goes through various levels, which is fine. The problem is that it is often very linear. For instance:
level:
1. You like to have sex
2. You are willing to do it anally
3. Showing your boobs at the bar is alright
4. Glory holes are amazing, no condoms plz!
5. Whew, that horse, I want it to bone me.

But that is not really how anything works, right? Yeah, sure you can corrupt and push a person in a certain direction, but does that really mean that they would be a-okay with just getting fucked at the local bar by random people. Or that they because of those experiences would go into bestiality? Not really. Corruption therefor often becomes pretty ridiculous in most cases.

The biggest misunderstanding is probably that just because you become sexually active you also become corrupted. That is not the case. Neither is it the case that just because you like exhibitionism you must also automatically like to have sex with everybody you see.

I understand that it mechanically in a game must work through various steps. It's just not an unproblematic view of it.


TLDR: Corruption as perceived in most games are not unproblematic. If your MC is influenced by another person to change, then it is corruption.

You are correct in real life those are basically individual paths and highly dependent on the individual as to if they are willing or ever would be willing to do so.

 

[Diconica]

Can we use the description for this site, pretty please?

• Corruption [Corrupting someone's mind robbing them of their purity/innocence.]

This is the forced unconscionable element that makes it a kink - robbing them of their innocence.
They have to have it for starters ... they need to believe strongly in it ... it needs to be robbed...
Robbery needs violent force inducted onto someone to forcefully and unappologetically dispoe of their purity.

You woul have this if you have Mc go down on her while she is asleep, while she is intoxicated (alcohool,drugs,sleeping pills)
It is also true if he manhandles her, like rips off her wardrobe and forces himself upon her, mentally dominating her,
to the point he goes hard into her but she has no strength left to resist his advances / power / domination.

The trick is .. do you actually portray a dom - sub fetish? If she acts like his slave / whore by blackmail or violence,
I would say it is corruption, because you are using a real kink - shaming, mind break, bimbofication, prostitution

Now let us see what this means:

Prostitution is when he tells her fkk this or that guy and she does while he collects money.
Mind break is when he uses violence, blackmail, tying her up, chaining her, locking her up, depraving her of sleep,
of food, of human interaction, of light, then going down on her and thus making her corrupt by his own force,
she gets to accept his foul play because of no other option.

This is not a trick, where a prostitute or a nimpho just gets tricked into fkking Mc or some other dude.

This is about using actual kinks to force someone to submit to doing stuff they despise and would never do
of their own free will - if she never fkked before and you break her (not convincing her) by going over her will,
then it is corruption.

Eh, no.
If you take something from someone and they don't know it you aren't changing their mind and behavior.
When they say robbing them of their innocence they mean removing the innocent behavior and replacing it with a more lewd behavior or willingness to do that.

Drugging someone, taking them a sleep, or forcing them falls under rape it has its own tag.

 

[Alcahest]

As for the Patreon thing, is corruption a ban-able offense?

I think the potential issue with corruption is if it borders on non-consensual sex.

 

[Diconica]

I think the potential issue with corruption is if it borders on non-consensual sex.

It can but it depends on the method used to achieve the corruption.
Corruption is simply the change of mental state from not accepting something to accepting it.

If you use a method that slowly over time makes the person see the actions as simply more acceptable it isn't.

However, use a method that uses force and carrot and stick training and you it would very much be no consensual.

Technically casting a spell on someone or using a chemical to alter their state would fall under non-consensual. It would be effectively the same as using a date rape drug on someone.

But some might even argue that having your mind or view point altered even by incremental steps into accepting something by repeated exposure might be considered non-consensual given the individual didn't go out seeking those changes themselves or those exposures.

Tying someone up in your basement and forcing them to do what you want or not feeding them or whipping them and so on would definitely fall in the non-consensual area.

 

[Canto Forte]

Ok .. so banter, insults, groping, rubbing, flirting, bad jokes, embarassing wardrobe malfunctions, peeking,
manscaping on her, going commando on her, playing overt sexual intended tricks on her, bullying,
aggressive tone, aggressive behavior, spreading the word she is a slut / easy, arranging gang bangs for her
without her knowledge, find her dates and make them see her as a sexual object / sex addict,
put her up for dates with aggressive / bullying / mischevous dudes, pay prostitutes to approach her
and perform sexual acts on her, arrange wet t-shirt contests where she happens to be around, book her shows
in strip joints, private parties, get her into swinger conventions, get her into porn conventions.

Eh, no.
If you take something from someone and they don't know it you aren't changing their mind and behavior.
When they say robbing them of their innocence they mean removing the innocent behavior and replacing it with a more lewd behavior or willingness to do that.

Drugging someone, taking them a sleep, or forcing them falls under rape it has its own tag.

I think the potential issue with corruption is if it borders on non-consensual sex.

Tying someone up in your basement and forcing them to do what you want or not feeding them or whipping them and so on would definitely fall in the non-consensual area.

Would all or most or some of the above be the norm for corruption?

 

[Etheric]

Some people are pretty anal about having content show up in a game that are not tagged properly. I'd rather avoid those comments if possible. The other part is curiosity; I never quite understood what the corruption tag entails, but now I think it's much clearer to me. As for the Patreon thing, is corruption a ban-able offense?

I understand this.
So about the game, the tag itself is not wrong for the context but people that would look for corruption probably seek something more hardcore so I would consider avoid using it.

 

[Diconica]

I think the part he is worried about with patreon comes from

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"We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish creations, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish creations that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex."

As I pointed out before there are different methods for corruption.
Breaking would clearly be a violation of the terms.
Breaking ~ Breaking the persons will. That always involves force or abuse.

However, other methods would be more or less acceptable.
I'll go through and try and list them out and issues.

You could have a discussion with someone and convince them the is no reason to be so prudish or that it is unnatural or healthy for them. While it wont get rave reviews it will most likely will pass censorship.
However, if the character was to say they didn't want to hear it any long and the other character continued to press the issue that might fit under a form of sexual harassment. Then patreon looks at the context of it. If you are having a player repeatedly do this against the wishes of the character who's behavior you are wanting to change it could be questionable.
That said Glamour is still on patreon and does this at the start. I think you can find others that do so.

Incremental or gradual behavior modification via environment ~ You expose the person to various stuff seemingly accidentally and then work your way up. Research Into Affection , Cohabitation and are on patreon.

Withholding ~ this is withholding affection usually only works with people who have dependency issues. Can't say I even seen any stories written on this aspect. Maybe, something you could use where a childhood friend or sibling has become dependent on the other. The sibling aspect would violate patreon's no incest rule.

Chemical ~ Drugs, Alcohol, or Serums.
It is going to be very dependent on how you use them. If they are used in a manor as to only get the person to open up or accept a nature of behavior they have you will probably get away with it. However, use it as a date rape drug and you might not.
Lab rats 2 is an example of serums being use and still on patreon. It more uses the drug to change the persons perception of what they will accept.

Magic ~ Is similar in nature to Chemical in that it could be used several ways.
There are many like the Ring of Lust on patreon. You can click the mind control link and find a lot of them.
That said Harem Collector is an example of what is on patreon the use of magic slave collars is used in the story.

You can find plenty of examples of what is acceptable on patreon. However, if you look closely you can find plenty that have been on there for some time that clearly violate the rules. Lets say they don't exactly enforce the rules equally or maybe they only enforce the rules when someone complains about something. I'm not sure which is more true.

 

[bsjfan69]

I don't think there needs to be anything forceful about it. Look at Witch Trainer for example, the classic corruption game, there's nothing nonconsensual about the process. There's even tamer examples like GGGB. To me corruption is simply another way of saying "moral degeneration" (gone sexual) which is how the Japanese call it. Nothing to do with consent.

I do think that corruption needs to involve changing how a person thinks or behaves in general, not towards just one specific person. Too many games tagged as corruption nowadays that are just "oh I didn't like this guy at first but then I did" that's not corruption that's just dating.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

To corrupt, in the consensual sense, is to "lead unto temptation", to lure someone down a dark path to decadence and debauchery, a state of indifference to shame, morality, inhibition or consequence. Purely the pursuit of new pleasures and new thrills is what drives the corrupted.
Getting the shy girl to finally put out is probably not exactly corruption in the sense that the tag intends.