You can avoid Thugs on the First Floor as long as you want. They only spawn in specific rooms.
for edicts: depends. do u want your karryn to be a slut or a pure warrior? we have both physical and sexual dmg in this game and technically each one has its own ending. I suggest searching the thread for "build", "slut", "pure" or "dex". u get a lot of recommendations. the options are quite diverse.
People asking for 100% saves/gallery are different from people asking for gameplay cheats.
The biggest games in history people do gameplay cheats. So no, it doesn't mean anything. There are just people, that want to change the game to their liking. Nothing wrong with that but to act like this game is somehow unique in that is just dumb. This doesn't mean you cannot point out things, this game does wrong but cheats does not equal something. Especially if it comes with points that are just wrong in the first place. Not even to mention, that this here is a extremly small sample size of the playerbase.
Well, no shit, there are things that make the game tedious or annoying so people want to change that which is the reason most people look to cheat in stuff like edicts/gold. OP was talking about those people, not the people who look for cheats that are purely for fun and not to avoid grind or decrease difficulty.
You're being very fallacious here as OP never claimed cheats alone proves something but that they support their argument when backed by many other points as well.
That's just your opinion but they're not "wrong" just because you disagree with them.
You really went with Gold and Edicts as an Example? Isn't that the perfect example of "This is a Porn Game, I just don't want to deal with managing the Prison"? So I at least disagree completly with the example you provided here. Again are parts of the Game tedious or annoying? Sure. Is some information without reason hidden? Sure.
Again, it doesn't support anything. The far majority never asks about anything. They download it, play it and move on.
If somebody says something that is not correct, how is that my opinion? If I am telling you as an extreme example: "Hey you need to fight in the bar from the very start!" Would you not say that this is just wrong to do so? So that is the same reason why, when somebody says, when you fight Thugs on the first floor early, then I am going to point out that is just wrong to do so, since you can avoid them easy until you are Level 12.
No, it's more of a, I enjoy the gameplay but I don't want to grind and spend hours just to gain a little of something.
Actually, a lot of information are hidden but you're heavily downplaying it.
Yeah, maybe because they can use the search function to look for the cheats or saves they want unlike some other people?
Since you added that right after "cheats does not equal something", I thought you were referring it to that part of OP's point as "wrong".
Yeah but that's not an information that is clearly known by the player from the start, just like you're not aware that it's a trap to go all round build. You get to know about certain facts of the game through a lot of experience and some others only by digging through game files. So, you can't really blame them for that.
Removing the entire Managment System via Cheating, has nothing to do with grind. And let's not pretend, that we had people asking for 100% Saves with Gallery but the game doesn't have one.
A lot? Not really. A lot of information you can gain via just talking with a lot of NPCs or Tooltips. But again, I have criticized the game, for hiding information without a good reason. So dunno how I am downplaying it.
Maybe. I hardly doubt that but we can go in circles here.
I am sorry for the confusion then. My bad.
I don't blame anybody. I did not blame them I just pointed out, that you can avoid fighting Thugs on the First Floor as long as you want. That doesn't change the fact, that they were wrong with it. Ok wrong is the probably the wrong word but dunno how to say it better. Aren't aware of the fact that you can avoid Thugs? Maybe I should say it like that. Again, I don't blame them. Also, let's pull a little back on the information part. A Player doesn't need to know everything. Should he get more, than the game is giving? Yes. But it also should not handhold you. Learning stuff should also be part of the experience. Even though I agree, having to look at code to understand certain aspects of the game is dumb.
i might be misunderstanding this, i'm a bit dumb most days, but there have been many people asking for "full saves" and that doesn't exist due to all the different builds that can be done. Many people have also asked for a "full save that unlocks the cg gallery" and well, there is no cg gallery. again sorry if i am misunderstanding.
Well I think it has more do to with the fact that English is not my native language, so sometimes it can be hard to understand what I mean. But yes, there is not a Gallery. The closest thing to a "full save" would be a Save in the Happy Ending mode or via Cheating unlocking everything. I was just pointing out, since there is not a usual unlock all Scenes save in this game, that people try to find other ways to get rid of other stuff (like managing the Prison) so that they can focus only on getting to the Sex stuff.
You're not removing the entire management system by just say increasing the amount you get per day or enough to buy some skills and stuff you want. By 100% saves, I meant full slut Karryn who can engage in all sex scenes that aren't available when you're just starting the game and you'd need to work your way towards it even if you're removing the management aspect of the game.
I'm not talking about the tooltips that help you learn about certain mechanics and stuff but actual statistical information.
Sure but again, their claim wasn't "must fight this bar enemy or lose", they only said "impossible to fight them at this point of the game". So, in that context, no, they're not "wrong".
I am sure, people only increase it a little bit and not giving themselfes limitless Edicts and money.
So we agree on that specific part. Still wouldn't call that a lot but probably just viewpoint.
Then let me say it this way. Because they did not know, that you can avoid Thugs on the first floor as long as you want, they made the beginning of their run much harder than it had to be. Therefor they made a Statement with fights on the first floor how impossible they are, that could have been easily avoided. Better?
Well, I don't when I'm actually playing the game just like a lot of people who cheat to simply lower difficulty/grind than to just cheese their way out with instant win button. Also, that was just one example, there are a lot of other cheats that don't involve the management system which still contributes to lowering difficulty/grind.I am sure, people only increase it a little bit and not giving themselfes limitless Edicts and money.
And you claimed that their statement was "wrong" which it isn't and avoiding the fight is an advice which is irrelevant to the point being made about the fight being impossible at the start so you're either forced to lose or completely avoid it which doesn't negate the point.
You missed the part, in which I said, that wrong was the wrong word and rephrased it but here you are focusing on it still. Good job.
Doesn't matter, the point was your statement regardless of whatever you want to call it is irrelevant to OP's actual point.
You are missing the point, in which OP was saying, that the run was insanly more difficult at the start because he could not deal with the Thugs.
Again, "making the run easier at start" was never the point here.
