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Suncatcher42

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Yall know what missing? Some good ol girl-on-girl action
Would love to see 1 more female character or female enemy, or maybe a whole female prison section as DLC
The combat system is currently set up with the assumption that every enemy has a penis, so adding a generic enemy type without one would require a lot more code. It's possible as part of a DLC, but seems unlikely when there are so many things they could do without less work. There are two things I think could be done with minimal effort though. First is to just allow female visitors at the reception desk to kiss and grope karryn like the men do. Second is adding a futa enemy type.

If the devs did want to do a whole ambitious additional level as a DLC adventure, I would be totally in favor of the women's prison expansion.

I have been letting karryn get PISS drunk and I cant get this 2nd option to appear. Im so mad. Like I Keep all her desires low and she still doesn't get the bent over scene. I know you can obtain it through cock desire reaching a certain amount but I want this special title lmao. I don't think I have ever had it so Im so fucking curious.
It takes more alcohol than you would expect, enough to add a full five seconds to every action you take and multiply your fatigue gain rate by 5. There are a total of four stages, Sober, Tipsy, Drunk, and Dead Drunk. Her facial expression changes and actions start taking more time and stamina when she's just tipsy, and if she ever has desires high enough to allow penetration then the gangbang scene will start early if she's even just tipsy, but to start the ending scene without immediately going into a sex scene you need to get all the way to Dead Drunk.

I think that her alcohol level goes down slowly over time, and level of drunkenness is alcohol intake divided by stamina so if your stamina score is too high and you're just drinking watered beer you might never make it.
There are a few ways to increase how much she's drinking.

First is to buy the edicts that increase the variety of drinks available, because a sip of whiskey is worth four times as much as a sip of ale. The values are listed in the RemtairyKarrynWaitress.js file as 5 for pale ale, 6 for dark ale, 10 for vodka, 13 for tequila, 15 for gold rum, 18 for overproof rum, and 20 for whiskey, so you can prioritize orders accordingly. (Water is listed as 1 for some reason, and amusingly semen has a value of 2.)

Second is to increase the probability of being offered a sip at any given moment; if you're already as stripped as you can be, then the random selection of prisoner actions can't have them trying to strip you and they never try to convince you to flash them, so the chance of other activities goes up. Likewise you want to keep most of your desires too low for them to grope you, except perhaps for mouth desire, because if a prisoner with a drink in front of them kisses karryn they will slip a dose of their drink into her mouth in the process. If you have any spare time, you want to hang out at the tables of people with strong drinks in front of them, so they have more opportunities to make you offers (or kiss you).

You can also straight up kick people out if they order water, to increase the number of customers that will be having real drinks.

Oh, and I believe the trigger for gaining the title is simply reaching the Dead Drunk state a certain number of times, not specifically getting the non-sexual ending scene, so I think it's okay if you end up losing control and fucking everybody after you get bent over the table chugging endless beer for tips. But if you trigger than gangbang scene early it interrupts you while you're not drunk enough, and nobody wants to watch you chug booze when you could be chugging cum.

Or, if you want to cheat, you could open up that .js file in notepad++ and add a zero or two after the value of each drink.
 

Krude

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To expand on what Suncatcher said (I have spent way too much time combing through the game's code, probably more than actually playing it)

- 4 states of drunk is right: sober, tipsy, drunk and dead drunk. These happen when your alcohol value (not visible in-game) reaches a certain % value of your maximum stamina, so more stamina means you can drink more. These get reached for alcohol per stamina at 20% (Tipsy), 40% (drunk) and 70% (dead drunk).

- The alcohol value per drink isn't fixed and the calculation kinda complicated. It depends on how big of a sip the person takes and there's a modifier on every sip that takes into account the drinker's stamina and endurance as well as the stam / endurance of every other person present, and is different depending on whether Karryn or an inmate drinks. Maybe to simulate the impact of drinking in front of an audience or in a larger gathering?
Anyways. No, water does not add to your alcohol. It's actual water, not Grand Blue Dreaming water.
(Fun fact: when an enemy drinks, they not only take alcohol damage, they also take stamina damage, so they are easier to beat in a brawl)

- Despite claiming the opposite, Karryn will always take two sips of a drink when offered (for comparison, the ales start with 8 sips" and the smaller glasses with 4), unless there's only one left in the glass. When she's saying "OK, but just a tiny sip" she'll chug half of that vodka glass.

- Whiskey is the drink with the highest alcohol amount and lizardmen fucking love whiskey. Every inmate has a randomly generated favorite drink which they're more likely to order than others (and Nerds' favorite drink is water 33% of the time, so kick those fuckers out). But when you get whiskey on the menu, oh boy, do the lizardmen go apeshit for that, two times out of three it's their favorite drink. So if you want to get drunk, load up on whiskeys and loiter around lizardmen.

- Certain enemy types are more likely to ask you to drink if you selected a favorable solution to their "problem": Thugs will ask more often if you opted for no thug labor, lizardmen will ask when you took the Free Drinks edict and orcs will share when you implemented their accessibility edict. (Conversely, if you selected their "slutty" solution, most enemy types are more likely to harass you.)

- To get the title: despite the variable indicating you need to get dead drunk, you only need to get normal drunk (flushed face, three seconds extra on every action) ten times to get the title. Probably because getting dead drunk is kinda hard. So if you just want the title, drink until her face is flushed, then you can stop accepting drinks or do whatever.

- Speaking of time required for actions: Having the experienced waitress title reduces time by 1 second, and actually using it by another 2 seconds. But there's a lot that can increase it: being aroused, being wet and being horny all increase the time by 1 second each. Then being tipsy is +1, being drunk is +3 and dead drunk is +5. So if you're sumbling around dead drunk, being all horny and wet, you're looking at an additional 8 seconds on every action.

- not so fun fact: haven't checked the new version yet, but in 1.0.1k at least, the Bar Enforcer title seems to be bugged (properly throwing out X amount of people). I dunno why, but the counter doesn't increase when kicking out sleeping people like it should. So don't try to grind that until it's fixed.
 
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madchef

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Empress Ending is disappointing though, you save all your virginity till the end only to find out that you can't even fuck him. :cautious:
Wasn't that what you wanted though by denying Karryn having sex? The reward fits the playstyle just perfect. Don't tell me you made all this pure effort to see a random princely figure who only appears in the game's intro deflower a woman with boobs larger than her head.
 

Krude

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Shouldn't that be overproof rum?
Logically i guess it should, but both of the last unlock drinks are slight downgrades alcohol-wise to the previous unlocks. Overproof sits between whiskey and gold rum in alcohol value, and tequila is right in the middle between vodka and gold rum.

edit: maybe they're serving some scottish Single Malt whiskey with 92% ABV in this dinky-ass prison, idk
 
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Yukihirou

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Logically i guess it should, but both of the last unlock drinks are slight downgrades alcohol-wise to the previous unlocks. Overproof sits between whiskey and gold rum in alcohol value, and tequila is right in the middle between vodka and gold rum.

edit: maybe they're serving some scottish Single Malt whiskey with 92% ABV in this dinky-ass prison, idk
Real question here, can you mod in Oolong tea for this minigame ?
And a side question:
What is the best way to raise endurance without raising other stats as well (Charm/Dex), I am in favor of drinking to raise End, but shit always ends up giving me extra charm points after the job.
 

RedAISkye

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Wasn't that what you wanted though by denying Karryn having sex?
Well, unlike the nobody prisoners, Karryn herself has shown her love for the "princely figure" and since she got so excited over the marriage proposal, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a sex scene between them after they've married.

The reward fits the playstyle just perfect.
Good for you if you think it's "perfect" but I don't see a rushed ending as "perfect", my standards aren't that low.
An overall great game doesn't exempt it from negative criticisms.
 
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madchef

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maybe they're serving some scottish Single Malt whiskey with 92% ABV in this dinky-ass prison, idk
That would be quite unusual, as Scotch whiskies are usually 40%-46% ABV. 90%+ is neutral rectified spirits territory and no one does these better than Poles, just ask Wojtek the drunk Guard.
 

Krude

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That would be quite unusual, as Scotch whiskies are usually 40%-46% ABV. 90%+ is neutral rectified spirits territory and no one does these better than Poles, just ask Wojtek the drunk Guard.
You can get a bottle of Bruichladdich X4+3 whiskey with over 90% but it'll probably run you over a hundred bucks.
 

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Well, unlike the nobody prisoners, Karryn herself has shown her love for the "princely figure" and since she got so excited over the marriage proposal, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a sex scene between them after they've married.


Good for you if you think it's "perfect" but I don't see a rushed ending as "perfect", my standards aren't that low.
An overall great game doesn't exempt it from negative criticisms.
Haven't it occurred to you that the summary, anticlimactic ending of the pure run serves a purpose? The extended ending with plenty of sex is called the 'Happy Ending' and that name has also been given for a reason. The devs are telling the players again that they're playing an XXX game, not a silly beat them up romance simulator featuring an ambitious secretary with a hypergamic crush on a characterless royal son. They've given more love and care to Tonkin and Kavika the 69th lv Thug than this generic fair-haired prince, who is even less than an NPC, just an absent dude writing congratulatory letters delivered by his courier. A chaste kiss on the cheek is all that should be expected if you intend to play a porn game like it's Double Dragon with big-tittied protagonist. The original Double Dragon ends with a kiss and a hug, if I remember correctly. In this game, Double Dragon Lady should be a title awarded for getting spitroasted by Lizzardmen 10+ times.
 

madchef

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You can get a bottle of Bruichladdich X4+3 whiskey with over 90% but it'll probably run you over a hundred bucks.
That's still only 63.5 % Vol. Polmos Spiritus Rektyfikowany is 95% ABV (it's virtually impossible to obtain purer alcohol) and will set you back only PLN 56.90, which as of today's RoE is around USD 14.05. Karryn's corrupted accountants have not done their research properly.
 

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Haven't it occurred to you that the summary, anticlimactic ending of the pure run serves a purpose? The extended ending with plenty of sex is called the 'Happy Ending' and that name has also been given for a reason. The devs are telling the players again that they're playing an XXX game, not a silly beat them up romance simulator featuring an ambitious secretary with a hypergamic crush on a characterless royal son. They've given more love and care to Tonkin and Kavika the 69th lv Thug than this generic fair-haired prince, who is even less than an NPC, just an absent dude writing congratulatory letters delivered by his courier. A chaste kiss on the cheek is all that should be expected if you intend to play a porn game like it's Double Dragon with big-tittied protagonist. The original Double Dragon ends with a kiss and a hug, if I remember correctly. In this game, Double Dragon Lady should be a title awarded for getting spitroasted by Lizzardmen 10+ times.
Happy Ending is just as Anticlimatic as the Empress Ending, so dunno what you are talking about.
 

Krude

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That's still only 63.5 % Vol. Polmos Spiritus Rektyfikowany is 95% ABV (it's virtually impossible to obtain purer alcohol) and will set you back only PLN 56.90, which as of today's RoE is around USD 14.05. Karryn's corrupted accountants have not done their research properly.
Just checked and while the X4 does come off the distillery at about 92%, either a good portion evaporates during the 3 years of aging or it gets diluted a bit before it's actually sold.

Either way, if you really wanted to dissolve your throat you'd have to get some bolivian Cocoroco at 96%, but i'm pretty sure that stuff is illegal in a number of countries so you might not be able to get it.
 

RedAISkye

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The devs are telling the players again that they're playing an XXX game, not a silly beat them up romance simulator
If you actually played the game, you'd know that there are lot of things catered around having different playstyles other than just full on slut mode to the game. So, no, this isn't your generic porn game where it's all sex or nothing.

Again, if you're happy with the the lack of content on higher floors and think the rushed ending is "perfect", cool, you do you mate. But, unlike you, I have standards which doesn't drop low just because it's a "porn game". This game is more than that and the devs can definitely improve a lot on the already great foundation they've built.

Also, that's a false analogy, you're comparing a game full of sexual content with a game that isn't meant to have any sexual content. So while it would be unreasonable to expect more than a kiss & hug in DD, the same doesn't apply for KP so it's perfectly reasonable to expect sex with the fair-haired prince.
 
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NekoPi

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To expand on what Suncatcher said (I have spent way too much time combing through the game's code, probably more than actually playing it)

- 4 states of drunk is right: sobler, tipsy, drunk and dread drunk. These happen when your alcohol value (not visible in-game) reaches a certain % value of your maximum stamina, so more stamina means you can drink more. These get reached for alcohol per stamina at 20% (Tipsy), 40% (drunk) and 70% (dead drunk).

- The alcohol value per drink isn't fixed and the calculation kinda complicated. It depends on how big of a sip the person takes and there's a modifier on every sip that takes into account the drinker's stamina and endurance as well as the stam / endurance of every other person present, and is different depending on whether Karryn or an inmate drinks. Maybe to simulate the impact of drinking in front of an audience or in a larger gathering?
Anyways. No, water does not add to your alcohol. It's actual water, not Grand Blue Dreaming water.
(Fun fact: when an enemy drinks, they not only take alcohol damage, they also take stamina damage, so they are easier to beat in a brawl)

- Despite claiming the opposite, Karryn will always take two sips of a drink when offered (for comparison, the ales start with 8 sips" and the smaller glasses with 4), unless there's only one left in the glass. When she's saying "OK, but just a tiny sip" she'll chug half of that vodka glass.

- Whiskey is the drink with the highest alcohol amount and lizardmen fucking love whiskey. Every inmate has a randomly generated favorite drink which they're more likely to order than others (and Nerds' favorite drink is water 33% of the time, so kick those fuckers out). But when you get whiskey on the menu, oh boy, do the lizardmen go apeshit for that, two times out of three it's their favorite drink. So if you want to get drunk, load up on whiskeys and loiter around lizardmen.

- Certain enemy types are more likely to ask you to drink if you selected a favorable solution to their "problem": Thugs will ask more often if you opted for no thug labor, lizardmen will ask when you took the Free Drinks edict and orcs will share when you implemented their accessibility edict. (Conversely, if you selected their "slutty" solution, most enemy types are more likely to harass you.)

- To get the title: despite the variable indicating you need to get dead drunk, you only need to get normal drunk (flushed face, three seconds extra on every action) ten times to get the title. Probably because getting dead drunk is kinda hard. So if you just want the title, drink until her face is flushed, then you can stop accepting drinks or do whatever.

- Speaking of time required for actions: Having the experienced waitress title reduces time by 1 second, and actually using it by another 2 seconds. But there's a lot that can increase it: being aroused, being wet and being horny all increase the time by 1 second each. Then being tipsy is +1, being drunk is +3 and dead drunk is +5. So if you're sumbling around dead drunk, being all horny and wet, you're looking at an additional 8 seconds on every action.

- not so fun fact: haven't checked the new version yet, but in 1.0.1k at least, the Bar Enforcer title seems to be bugged (properly throwing out X amount of people). I dunno why, but the counter doesn't increase when kicking out sleeping people like it should. So don't try to grind that until it's fixed.
Turns out, I got the title lmao. FREELOADING Drinker/Waitress I believe it is. Surprisingly the one title I had never gotten in my 6th playthroughs of the game as she has always been cock desired fucked VERY early (like tipsy early)
 

NekoPi

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Haven't it occurred to you that the summary, anticlimactic ending of the pure run serves a purpose? The extended ending with plenty of sex is called the 'Happy Ending' and that name has also been given for a reason. The devs are telling the players again that they're playing an XXX game, not a silly beat them up romance simulator featuring an ambitious secretary with a hypergamic crush on a characterless royal son. They've given more love and care to Tonkin and Kavika the 69th lv Thug than this generic fair-haired prince, who is even less than an NPC, just an absent dude writing congratulatory letters delivered by his courier. A chaste kiss on the cheek is all that should be expected if you intend to play a porn game like it's Double Dragon with big-tittied protagonist. The original Double Dragon ends with a kiss and a hug, if I remember correctly. In this game, Double Dragon Lady should be a title awarded for getting spitroasted by Lizzardmen 10+ times.
Did you pay attention to the game??? or the steam summary???
 
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NekoPi

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Wasn't that what you wanted though by denying Karryn having sex? The reward fits the playstyle just perfect. Don't tell me you made all this pure effort to see a random princely figure who only appears in the game's intro deflower a woman with boobs larger than her head.
No ending for BOTH routes is very sad. Definitely for the quality of this game. Her happy end is a reskin (which yea is fine but kinda lackluster, love the outfit tho). The True end deserved ATLEAST a CG of her and prince as that is her main goal from the start of the game (well to stay pure for him etc... you can tell she already loved him lol) both endings don't suck. but are very "Could have been done better".

Well, unlike the nobody prisoners, Karryn herself has shown her love for the "princely figure" and since she got so excited over the marriage proposal, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a sex scene between them after they've married.


Good for you if you think it's "perfect" but I don't see a rushed ending as "perfect", my standards aren't that low.
An overall great game doesn't exempt it from negative criticisms.
I agree with you, I do hope they atleast do an update for the ending of the empress route for a small CG. It's rewarding to give Karryn her True end but man, atleast give the player a CG or something
 

NekoPi

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On fucking PRIOSNER MODE TOO! TALK TO ME NICE!!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!!! No Sex, ALL combat. Man the game fucking CHUGGS around 30 waves!
No Sex, only Violence! man these were kinda hard/easy. I got a few tips if anyone wants to give it a go. lol
 
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