Neriel

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I could tear apart your entire post of how stupid your take is but I will settle for that one.

To submit is to yield to or accept will of another person. There is not one scene in this game where Karryn is shown to have her own initial sexual agency.
So by your Logic are you telling me, in the Happy Ending Wedding Scene, in which Karryn takes all the Prisoners to her room and is telling them to make her scream in Pleasure that the Emperor might hear them, that the Prisoners are submitting to Karryn because they are accepting the will of Karryn? (which btw also she shows her own sexual agency but whatever, we ignore facts here apparently)

Also funny sidenote

Sexual dominance is about being in control all time every time, not succumbing to desires.
It is all the men and non-human males who want her this or that way and will do all it takes to make her submit to their desires.
So, if the males are satisfying their Desire, it is Dominance but if Karryn is satisfying her Desire it is succumbing? Funny how you switch it based on Gender. Dunno if I would call it being in control if you stand there masturbating and ask a female, that she please do x for you but you go ahead and call it whatever you want.
 
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RedAISkye

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If I were to be generous, I'd say that the argument the other person is making is that if Karryn at some point begins to initate sex, then it's only because she was repeatedly coerced and eventually corrupted into wanting it by the inmates. I don't agree with that thinkng in the slightest though.
That is literally what happens though which is the reason Karryn has got different sets of dialogues depending on how much she has been corrupted.

Take Under the Witch as an example for what female domination actually looks like.
 
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Neriel

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Take Under the Witch as an example for what female domination actually looks like.
And now tell me where that kind of Male Domination is happening in this game or better said show me where this is happening as stated everywhere in this game.

Also, I find it funny, that you move the Goal Post to such an extreme. Nobody argued, that this game has a lot of/is only about female Domination content. Just that this game is not about MC being submissive and that it has instead a lot of different kinks.

That is literally what happens though
No its not. Coerced means, that she is forced to do it. Nobody is forcing her.
 
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Anyone found out how to make the new version of the goth mod work? Been losing my head over it and couldn't make it work, mo2 just keep telling me "no valid game data".
 
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Purple_Heart

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At first, inmates psychologically force her to do things, it is not a physical force.
They basically corrupt her to the point she starts "allowing" things to happen.
But before corruption happens, she has no choice on the matter. Therefore, it is forced on her.
Her dialogue(s) before turning into a slut confirms this. You can clearly see she is disgusted by the things she sees. But after some time she becomes corrupted, she even questions why is she letting things to happen(this is her own dialogue). After that point she basically turns into a slut, becomes either masochist or sadist depending on player's playstyle.
 

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At first, inmates psychologically force her to do things, it is not a physical force.
They basically corrupt her to the point she starts "allowing" things to happen.
But before corruption happens, she has no choice on the matter. Therefore, it is forced on her.
Her dialogue(s) before turning into a slut confirms this. You can clearly see she is disgusted by the things she sees. But after some time she becomes corrupted, she even questions why is she letting things to happen(this is her own dialogue). After that point she basically turns into a slut, becomes either masochist or sadist depending on player's playstyle.
Right and this is exactly why I like the game because the corruption is initially forced on her and therefore can be interpreted as rape. Even the initial splash screen of the game says that she at first isn't interested in the debauchery, and in the intro scene with the emperor it is clear that she has an infatuation with him and is also extremely displeased when the job of warden is thrust upon her.

The only small issue I see that could support an opposite argument are the initial choice of the "dormant desire" and the obvious gain of the passives, both of which may imply a predisposition to being a slut or dominatrix. But even then, predisposition is unconscious and if it were not instilled by her living in the prison, had she not taken the warden job she would still be a proper and prim secretary who eventually would marry the emperor and be a vanilla wife.

You can have your own head-cannon for sure and I can see both sides of the argument, but the one where the corruption it is forced on her has much more supporting evidence in the game itself, whether intentionally designed or not.
 

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hi everyone I'm trying to get a full save for karryns prison or a somewhat well played one because mine crashes and i lose all my stuff constantly would love the help
Uploaded by another, its not full edict points, but starts the new game + with free mode and a happy lust just about 95 I think not extreme. so dialogue is a bit different from high lust.
 
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View attachment 2271475 File 5 is before the final fight and she has 300 slut lvl while being a virgin, file 6 is in freemode and shes still a virgin. I wanted to get her to slut lvl 400 while being a virgin but i got lazy. I used ccmod while playing so idk if anyone will have issues if they played w/o that mod.
Yo I'm searching for one with all eddict points 999 or whatever with low lust, and virgin and also free mode, you got one?
 

Shizusan

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At first, inmates psychologically force her to do things, it is not a physical force.
They basically corrupt her to the point she starts "allowing" things to happen.
But before corruption happens, she has no choice on the matter. Therefore, it is forced on her.
Her dialogue(s) before turning into a slut confirms this. You can clearly see she is disgusted by the things she sees. But after some time she becomes corrupted, she even questions why is she letting things to happen(this is her own dialogue). After that point she basically turns into a slut, becomes either masochist or sadist depending on player's playstyle.
Yeah, that's true. I kind of wish you can control corruption and lust without new game+ I don't think there is a way to lower them because dialogue and emotions also voices are different when she has higher lust and corruption.
 
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DickMaster

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So, uh i am probably going to be told to bugger off or something, but i am still going to ask if someone has a link for the Sushikun's multipack that doesn't involve the usage of discord? (i can't for the life of me access discord for whatever reason)
 
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Bawunga

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That is literally what happens though which is the reason Karryn has got different sets of dialogues depending on how much she has been corrupted.
That's a bit like saying that because someone else forces me to watch a television show that at first I don't like but eventually see the appeal of that I've somehow been brainwashed into liking it.

Karryn still has agency throughout, she likes what she likes because she likes it. Additionally, she was always curious about dicks and had a secret slut side before she even entered the prison, she just didn't know it. That's what the whole secret desire thing at the start is about.
 

RedAISkye

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That's a bit like saying that because someone else forces me to watch a television show that at first I don't like but eventually see the appeal of that I've somehow been brainwashed into liking it.

Karryn still has agency throughout, she likes what she likes because she likes it. Additionally, she was always curious about dicks and had a secret slut side before she even entered the prison, she just didn't know it.
Never claimed Karryn is "brainwashed" into liking anything. (Surely she has the "agency" after being beaten to a pulp and harassed sexually to the point where she's completely fatigued of doing anything.)

The point was that she is slowly corrupted into doing sexual things without her consent.

It's irrelevant if at the end, she happens to love it because of the fact that things were forced upon her from the beginning which is not the same as if she were to be the one exploring those areas herself, let alone if she were the one forcing it onto others.

"Karryn never directly and verbally said 'NO' so, it's not sexual assault even if she showed her disgust towards it. Also, she liked it in the end so, it is all fine!" -:4Head:
 
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