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Azulaisbae

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How'd you reach Fair Poison? Maybe I'm too far along in my saves to go there before its intended unlock but I can't find a way there

And yeah the story triggers are quite iffy. I dunno how exactly Teary organizes them (probably a case by case basis tied to each of the maps), but there were scenes that triggered without matching story progress (Path dreams for one) in previous versions that eventually got fixed, there's still some now like Dominic's dorm room story cutscene.
You have always been able to enter fair poison as far as i can remember. The road might have been blocked but there was always a way up by just cleverly walking around it in the upper left corner of the map. I first found out about that place like 2 ish updates ago.
 

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Kingdom Hearts backstories in a shellnut:
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By the way, I found a note related to the Vanias and Ugly Chloa in Maven's suite.
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the Vanias' "Human properties" I assume refers to the woods and maybe the groundskeeper's building Dominic mentions.
Yeah this part isnt too clear for me. Like the Gastastate college and Vania link is just too blurry right now. Like is the gastastate college just close to their properties or does the college somehow have ties to the Vania's? Even then the Niht cult themself arent a singular force with a singular goal. We know that there is a powerstruggle between the principals faction and the miss Cho faction. So who knows. Maby since we know that Alan works for miss Cho it could be that they are wary of the Vania's since they arent alligned with that faction. Maby only principal Deverou is in their good graces.
 

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You have always been able to enter fair poison as far as i can remember. The road might have been blocked but there was always a way up by just cleverly walking around it in the upper left corner of the map. I first found out about that place like 2 ish updates ago.
... I feel like such a fool. Now that I've taken this path I remember I've been through the bloody place way back when and completely forgot about it. (and the fact that the Witch of Blue Skies' ghost travels towards the dense woods to the south of Fair Poison)
Well then. Knowing we can obtain the blessing before even the first battle, this can be a game changer with build crafting and early game grinds. No longer do we have to play it safe, but we can leverage a temporary god mode to be more reckless with attacking and scoring higher-value rewards faster.


You've probably got a good point with how the Nihtlings view Noo as well; dubious power scaling aside, Noo doesn't treat her badge as just a luxury, but more of a necessity, meaning she is likely more vulnerable than she lets on. That the Night Walkers believe they can handle succubi on Noo's level is probably what lead Trent's crew to misjudge Dilan's prowess to begin with, since at a glance he only just managed to tackle opponents of Noo's caliber less than a month ago and couldn't have grown by leaps and bounds in the time since, compared to your average demi, succubus, or mage.
 

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Powerscaling in this game is quite weird. Since with the exception of Enna, Sereneta and Peng. None of the bosses we fight use their full power. Almost all of them take it easy on Dilan (think for example on the powershowcase at the Enna vs Vhidna fight that we barley saw)
We canonically defeat an actual ascending goddess while shrunk to the size of an ant in this update. Granted that we had help but our help was like, mentally handicapped.
I think at this point it's canon that Dilan only loses fights because he's horny and immortal so he doesn't really give a shit.

In regards to the Vania-Gatastaste connection, idk if you two saw this but you can talk to Hobbs about the college's past in the female teachers' dorms. She mentions that the college was built on land that was sold to the first principal by somebody who lives on "a spooky manor deeper in the forest" (paraphrasing) - but the woods still belong to that person.
Presumably, by every other hint we've seen, this is suppoused to be the Vanias or somebody connected to them. In that case the ritual site also belongs to them.
 

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We canonically defeat an actual ascending goddess while shrunk to the size of an ant in this update. Granted that we had help but our help was like, mentally handicapped.
I think at this point it's canon that Dilan only loses fights because he's horny and immortal so he doesn't really give a shit.

In regards to the Vania-Gatastaste connection, idk if you two saw this but you can talk to Hobbs about the college's past in the female teachers' dorms. She mentions that the college was built on land that was sold to the first principal by somebody who lives on "a spooky manor deeper in the forest" (paraphrasing) - but the woods still belong to that person.
Presumably, by every other hint we've seen, this is suppoused to be the Vanias or somebody connected to them. In that case the ritual site also belongs to them.
I have not read about that piece of lore. (might have read it long ago but i cant remember that). This explains the Vania/College connection so well. So the Vania's own the ritual site wich makes sense because the sign infront of the gate says its "private property". This also explains how Maven got intel on the ritual happening on the Vania properties while not mentioning the gastate college. Wich pretty much means the forest around the school has to be Vania owned. This also makes the Alan emails make sense. The advise on checking the ritual site portal but not entering the forest too far because the Vania might be involved now feels less random.

This is a really nice piece of information that i did not know yet.

But yeah as for the fairy queen. You are right that Dilan has gotten to a really strong level. But even then i felt like peng was wayyy harder though she should not be that much stronger than a demi goddess even though she was a weapon for the resistance.
 
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... I feel like such a fool. Now that I've taken this path I remember I've been through the bloody place way back when and completely forgot about it. (and the fact that the Witch of Blue Skies' ghost travels towards the dense woods to the south of Fair Poison)
Well then. Knowing we can obtain the blessing before even the first battle, this can be a game changer with build crafting and early game grinds. No longer do we have to play it safe, but we can leverage a temporary god mode to be more reckless with attacking and scoring higher-value rewards faster.


You've probably got a good point with how the Nihtlings view Noo as well; dubious power scaling aside, Noo doesn't treat her badge as just a luxury, but more of a necessity, meaning she is likely more vulnerable than she lets on. That the Night Walkers believe they can handle succubi on Noo's level is probably what lead Trent's crew to misjudge Dilan's prowess to begin with, since at a glance he only just managed to tackle opponents of Noo's caliber less than a month ago and couldn't have grown by leaps and bounds in the time since, compared to your average demi, succubus, or mage.
How do we know that the witch of the blue sky (shes either a zombie or a ghost. Well atleast some kind of undead) went south? I tought the only mention of her was in the event in the house north of Vaila's house. I have not seen her anywhere else yet.

But yeah to get back to the point of Noo's badge. She straight up tells Dilan that her powers are sealed. Wich pretty much means shes much weaker than in her prime and could probably be killed by a s+ class nightwalker or just any of the other succubi chancelors.

I also feel like the Niht cult doesnt have a proper streamlined communication with all members. For example Alex did not know 20 years passed. Trent has been warning the cult of Dilan's danger while the higher ups are not really taking him too serious. Walter underestimated Dilan even after Trent told him not to. Alan has not told the higher ups about Dilan's trip to the mines (maby in the more recent update he did but we havent seen him break his word yet)
 

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I think at this point it's canon that Dilan only loses fights because he's horny and immortal so he doesn't really give a shit.
I think the reason Dilan keeps losing is cuz he is a little bitch with no ambition, at least what it feels like to me is that Dilan simply doesn't try hard enough.
 
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I think the reason Dilan keeps losing is cuz he is a little bitch with no ambition, at least what it feels like to me is that Dilan simply doesn't try hard enough.
Kinda? One of the main problems is that Dilan has had 0 good teachers so far. Vaila has not taught him anything about his new powers. We never even had our first improvement (as the game calls it) yet. Noo has only taught Dilan how to meditate on essence's. So can we really expect an average student to perform magic feats with no proper guidance on magic itself. Just look at how easy Katja can decapitate Trent. Dilan already has the power to do stuff he just needs to lock in and get more skilled at using what he already has.
 
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For example Alex did not know 20 years passed. Trent has been warning the cult of Dilan's danger while the higher ups are not really taking him too serious. Walter underestimated Dilan even after Trent told him not to. Alan has not told the higher ups about Dilan's trip to the mines
I read it as:
1) Alex is kept in isolation on purpose due to not being aligned with the niht cult, she agreed to be there for a year, but realized that she'd been there for 20 years, so then she wanted to get out.
2) The Principal had been protecting Dilan
3) Trent himself kinda realized it was a mistake to send walter to do the job
4) The higher ups probably know already, but again: Dilan is protected
 

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Kinda? One of the main problems is that Dilan has had 0 good teachers so far. Vaila has not taught him anything about his new powers. We never even had our first improvement (as the game calls it) yet. Noo has only taught Dilan how to meditate on essence's. So can we really expect an average student to perform magic feats with no proper guidance on magic itself. Just look at how easy Katja can decapitate Trent. Dilan already has the power to do stuff he just needs to lock in and get more skilled at using what he already has.
We need a mentor ngl (John, he is the goat he is gonna mentor us)
 
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I read it as:
1) Alex is kept in isolation on purpose due to not being aligned with the niht cult, she agreed to be there for a year, but realized that she'd been there for 20 years, so then she wanted to get out.
2) The Principal had been protecting Dilan
3) Trent himself kinda realized it was a mistake to send walter to do the job
4) The higher ups probably know already, but again: Dilan is protected
I do agree with most of it but they do seem kind of overconfident in their power wich might make their actions lax. The occult club members walk around quite freely. The school did not even know about the noo summoning ritual. The higher ups did not know that Dilan teleported to the 4th mines (they think it is Noo) so they dont know too much about katalists. So overall their security and grip on their territory could use some work.
 

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How do we know that the witch of the blue sky (shes either a zombie or a ghost. Well atleast some kind of undead) went south? I tought the only mention of her was in the event in the house north of Vaila's house. I have not seen her anywhere else yet.

But yeah to get back to the point of Noo's badge. She straight up tells Dilan that her powers are sealed. Wich pretty much means shes much weaker than in her prime and could probably be killed by a s+ class nightwalker or just any of the other succubi chancelors.

I also feel like the Niht cult doesnt have a proper streamlined communication with all members. For example Alex did not know 20 years passed. Trent has been warning the cult of Dilan's danger while the higher ups are not really taking him too serious. Walter underestimated Dilan even after Trent told him not to. Alan has not told the higher ups about Dilan's trip to the mines (maby in the more recent update he did but we havent seen him break his word yet)
My bad, I double checked the sprites and the ghost that briefly appears moving towards the south of Fair Poison is someone other than the Witch of Blue Skies. She does bear some resemblance to the figure who shows up in _____'s Shrine and the Prison of Futility, though.
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The Nihtlings are without a doubt a fractured organization, probably owing to pushback from members like Allan. Then there's agents like Trent who apparently care more about looking out for their own than realizing Deverou's plans, going so far as to try eliminating a VIP brought on by the principal. There's nothing solid on the level of intel the Nihtlings share, but Deverou might be privy to more specifics compared to the subordinates. Hell, she (and Cho, maybe) might just actually know what a Katalist is, considering what Julia said about them needing a "catalyst" for Niht. There was no other entity around at the time who could fulfill those requirements, not if Cho wasn't referring to Julia or a summoned succubus, so it might've been a misheard homonym.
 
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Anyone got a save to the latest boss ? , someone share a save plz
iPlug

Here's some of mine at different stages

0.098 content starts at 14 (during the day, prior to triggering dialogue with Vaila) or 15 (dialogue complete, ready to head west).

Index:
3 - Hotel Vania boss start, can make path choice after winning
7/10 - Optional Bonnie sub route
12 - Third Ritual (Enna) start
14/15 - Missing Spy
21 - Rootpit boss fight
22 - Rootpit boss cleared, ready for Fair Poison
23 - Letterman arrives, Verl's segment begins
28 - Rebuilt stats, Peng in-progress
31 - All content cleared, can revisit Blossom Hive/Luswig Tower

There's two Darkened Violets in some saves after clearing Queen Blossom, one with only Magical Hybrid enhancements and another with "endgame" Biting Bluegraver upgrades (comes at massive Def/MDef cost), equip them as you see fit

edit: Saves from 12 onwards are done on the Cold path
 
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In regards to the Vania-Gatastaste connection, idk if you two saw this but you can talk to Hobbs about the college's past in the female teachers' dorms. She mentions that the college was built on land that was sold to the first principal by somebody who lives on "a spooky manor deeper in the forest" (paraphrasing) - but the woods still belong to that person.
Presumably, by every other hint we've seen, this is suppoused to be the Vanias or somebody connected to them. In that case the ritual site also belongs to them.
...Maybe that's what it was. I thought Dom said something about it early on, but I could've misremembered.

But...I don't think the portal itself was made by the Vanias.Wouldn't it have been phrased differently than "...the Ritual occurred in the Vanias' human properties"? That makes it sound like that portal was made by an outside entity, and I also don't think Dom would know enough to build it; just enough to summon using it. :unsure:


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My bad, I double checked the sprites and the ghost that briefly appears moving towards the south of Fair Poison is someone other than the Witch of Blue Skies. She does bear some resemblance to the figure who shows up in _____'s Shrine and the Prison of Futility, though.

The Nihtlings are without a doubt a fractured organization, probably owing to pushback from members like Allan. Then there's agents like Trent who apparently care more about looking out for their own than realizing Deverou's plans, going so far as to try eliminating a VIP brought on by the principal. There's nothing solid on the level of intel the Nihtlings share, but Deverou might be privy to more specifics compared to the subordinates. Hell, she (and Cho, maybe) might just actually know what a Katalist is, considering what Julia said about them needing a "catalyst" for Niht. There was no other entity around at the time who could fulfill those requirements, not if Cho wasn't referring to Julia or a summoned succubus, so it might've been a misheard homonym.
Julia isn't the only one that mentions "catalyst", there are some spirits at the tower entrance that also mention that.
 
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...Maybe that's what it was. I thought Dom said something about it early on, but I could've misremembered.

But...I don't think the portal itself was made by the Vanias.Wouldn't it have been phrased differently than "...the Ritual occurred in the Vanias' human properties"? That makes it sound like that portal was made by an outside entity, and I also don't think Dom would know enough to build it; just enough to summon using it. :unsure:




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Julia isn't the only one that mentions "catalyst", there are some spirits at the tower entrance that also mention that.
I think with the human properties they mainly just mean that the Vania's own stuff in the human realm aka ugly chloa. Since we know they have properties in different places. They own stuff in the other chloa . The "humans" over there are called demi's. To me it mainly just sounds like they want to specify in wich area something happend. I feel like in this specific case we should just make the easiest connection instead of making the story even more complicated.
 
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Azulaisbae

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My bad, I double checked the sprites and the ghost that briefly appears moving towards the south of Fair Poison is someone other than the Witch of Blue Skies. She does bear some resemblance to the figure who shows up in _____'s Shrine and the Prison of Futility, though.
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The Nihtlings are without a doubt a fractured organization, probably owing to pushback from members like Allan. Then there's agents like Trent who apparently care more about looking out for their own than realizing Deverou's plans, going so far as to try eliminating a VIP brought on by the principal. There's nothing solid on the level of intel the Nihtlings share, but Deverou might be privy to more specifics compared to the subordinates. Hell, she (and Cho, maybe) might just actually know what a Katalist is, considering what Julia said about them needing a "catalyst" for Niht. There was no other entity around at the time who could fulfill those requirements, not if Cho wasn't referring to Julia or a summoned succubus, so it might've been a misheard homonym.
I dont think that witch is a deity at all. To me she looks just like how Doli looks. (i dont have a save off before that event so i cant get a proper screenshot but i have this) Screenshot 2025-06-16 101834.png
So yeah maby it just might be Doli doing something for Akuaki quickly?


As for the fractured niht cult. I agree with you. But i think the biggest fracture is probably the fight between miss Cho and Deverou.
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I feel like Deverou might have more knowledge of the other chloa and the Vania's but miss Cho might be much younger and less experienced than her. So this also can explain why Trent could just act on his own and attack someone in the protection of the principal.
 

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...Maybe that's what it was. I thought Dom said something about it early on, but I could've misremembered.

But...I don't think the portal itself was made by the Vanias.Wouldn't it have been phrased differently than "...the Ritual occurred in the Vanias' human properties"? That makes it sound like that portal was made by an outside entity, and I also don't think Dom would know enough to build it; just enough to summon using it. :unsure:
I can't remember who mentioned it, but isn't the portal pretty old? If so, it might've been so long ago that it was either already there when the Vanias acquired the land, or they set it up to have easy access between the Chloas but left it alone as time went by. Domi definitely was only learned enough to make a summons with it, otherwise he'd have been able to account for the connection to Noo's residence causing interference with his ritual.

In regards to the summons, there's a point of ambiguity I can't clear up: who is considered to have summoned Noo? Considering how both Domi and the sixth summoner were directing the rites, and doing it right on Vania property bordering on Gatastate, what is the world's general consensus of the situation?

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Given the Nihtlings' interest in monitoring Noo, them being the sixth summoner could mean they had already tried to curry favor with her (but she seems to have rejected them already, judging by her reaction upon being summoned). Plus, getting a non-affiliated magician essence signature, from someone as prestigious as a Von Slaught at that, probably meant throwing off the trail to cover up Gatastate's involvement.
 
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I can't remember who mentioned it, but isn't the portal pretty old? If so, it might've been so long ago that it was either already there when the Vanias acquired the land, or they set it up to have easy access between the Chloas but left it alone as time went by. Domi definitely was only learned enough to make a summons with it, otherwise he'd have been able to account for the connection to Noo's residence causing interference with his ritual.

In regards to the summons, there's a point of ambiguity I can't clear up: who is considered to have summoned Noo? Considering how both Domi and the sixth summoner were directing the rites, and doing it right on Vania property bordering on Gatastate, what is the world's general consensus of the situation?

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Given the Nihtlings' interest in monitoring Noo, them being the sixth summoner could mean they had already tried to curry favor with her (but she seems to have rejected them already, judging by her reaction upon being summoned). Plus, getting a non-affiliated magician, someone as prestigious as a Von Slaught at that, probably meant throwing off the trail to cover up Gatastate's involvement.
I think the monitoring is more something that happend after Dilan entered the 4th mine. I think so far we had a general consensus that the college was involved in the summoning of Noo. But what if it wasnt the college at all. Maby it was someone affiliated to the Vania's or another third party since those grounds arent exactly college property.
 
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