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Peng scenes finally fixed? Thank goodness.
I always thought that she was bugged but some people managed to get all her scenes to trigger so I was confused.
I always thought that she was bugged but some people managed to get all her scenes to trigger so I was confused.
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I almost fully agree with this theory. But a little thing i would like to add is that i think that Dilan wasnt able to resist Bonnie/Katja's influence that well since we have seen him repeatedly enter hotel vania in a trance like state and even lose control of his body on times. IIRC from one of the Hum events he places a seal on your mind wich stabilizes the energy in your body and prevents the body takeover shenigans for a while untill walter pops a blood bullet straight through your skull at the exact place where Hum placed the seal. Just before Hum places that seal we get a "flashback" about katja in the own path so my guess is that katja was almost ready to take over Dilan's body but Hum specifically prevented it and then that dimwit of a Walter accidently ruins the whole thing allowing a full takeover. If you look in the mirror after that event you can even see Katja take over for a little bit and say : "that is you Dilan" while smiling into the mirror.
in the warm path Bonnie has let Dilan wake up next to her multiple times. Probably rewiring his body and soul from the outside. And only being able to make that final adjustment after the seal gets broken. Allowing her to control him. Bonnie is probably quite crafty. If you win against her you take a bit of her essence and if you lose she takes some of yours. Allowing a connection to form between the two.
So to me it looks kind of like this. Cold path : Katja full takeover. (i still have to play it when it gets fixed and have only looked at other people their comments and ingame images etc) Warm path : Bonnie takeover. My own path: A variation on the katja path but with some more focus on your own essence and will (specifically nalid i think).
Whatever path you take, some outside force is trying to wrestle for dominance in your body and be the controlling host for whatever plan they have. Katja will probably have some revenge plan they wanna commit. Maby she wants revenge against Svelva or even fight against bonnie. It could be that Bonnie is just Katjas original body but filled with some kind of different soul by Svelva's doing since Katja and Bonnie clearly are 2 different people but look oh so very similar. Bonnie i genuinely have no clue what her reason for wanting to take over another soul agglomorate is. Maby making a bodyhop to a new identity? Your guess is as good as mine.
The real bit of lore that i cant wrap my head around yet is how did Katja insert her essence in Dilans being? Since we have seen her influence Dilan from wayyyy back at the Ayleen update and probably even before the katalist ritual by Vaila. She probably has some kind of past with Dilan. Or has had her essence trapped in that gem that dilan has in his inventory that he and i quote "found in the attic years ago"
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I think i might have done something wrong then since Dilan doesnt recognize him as the ferryman for me. So you probably have to do something before getting there to trigger that specific event? Since i did exactly that interact with the corpse then the book and then the corpse again.
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There's also the hella weird "Prison of Futility" segment where you also end up in Hotel Vania. There's definitely something that draws him there in his subconscious.
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There is definently something off about the hotel itself in the first place. Its been built in a sketchy way. Like according to the news papers at sereneta's place its funding for the project has been backed by the queen of succubi herself. This means the place is a point of interest for one of the most powerful non deities we know. Margo is the first of her line to own a hotel. Margo's room is really off putting with the fact that you cant move past a certain door. Just like how it used to be with the principal aka some mind control compulsion stuff. Also Hum has a specific interest in the hotel and is under a watchfull eye by margo and her "butler" who according to Hum we might have encounterd already. (maby thats the identity of the "person". events) But yeah future updates will probably delve into this plot more.
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Wasn't he the merchant that was there next to Guard Grog?
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You might've already did the event then. I just loaded a save at the start and used mtool to go to it. It worked. I might've been wrong about the book too, as this time I just interacted with the corpse and it worked.
Yes. My bad, I said the ferryman but I was a bit tired. He is (was) the merchant near the ferryman.
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Feels weird replying to myself but wanted to add a little more.
I wonder if the underilined name (_____) is actually a hint to who they are, 5 letter name, or it's just supposed to be read as blank.
That chick also appears under the Mortorium (did I spell that right?) in a place called something like "_____'s Shrine". So at the very least she's definitely meant to be *somebody* and not just a one-off creepy encounter.
Maybe the files have her somewhere, too lazy to check.
The labyrinth has a bunch of ghosts speaking Japanese but IIRC they don't say anything important.
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It's East of Fair Poison if you wanna check, go south from there and then into the cemetery.
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Hmm. When I go south from Fair Poison it says the trees are too dense and there is no reason to go.
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Ah, I didn't see the vines that let you cross the water. Damn that's pretty hidden.
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Wait until nighttime. Go to the front of the school where you first arrive and turn left, then go down the stairs in the bottom left corner. You should be able to find it.
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I find the idea of Bonnie and Katja being different people hard to support to be honest, since the two started showing up in Dilan's life in tandem. Them being one and the same would also be the most straightforward way of explaining how Katja's essence ended up inside Dilan, as well as how her growing influence led to him grasping Frost magic in particular. Plus, Bonnie disappears after Verl came knocking, mirroring Katja's behavior. Regardless, Dilan clearly was unable to fully resist her takeover, and it'd probably progressed quite far even before Walter's intervention, if the cutscenes of Dilan's empty bed were anything to go by.
Ever since 0.098, it seems the 3 paths have converged and now show that despite the differences in scenes, they were all meant to produce the same conclusion: that Katja succeeds in commandeering Dilan's body, and something of Walter's gets taken into Dilan's being. Across the Own and Cold paths up to current events, different characters speak to Dilan and reveal varying hints, but no party truly exerts control over him, simply observing and commentating. After Verl's banishment, Nalid states that he has been working with Katja for a while now, going after Pearls with Dilan, implying little difference between the paths (or just Cold/Own at the very least).
I'm all for the theory that Katja has a shared history with Dilan (especially with the Cold path dreams in mind), but her presence only started manifesting after Bonnie's essence was harvested; what happened at Ayleen's was most likely Nalid's work. The yellow glow isn't limited to Katja, but the detail that most strongly links Nalid to the event is how he is the only one to hum the "familiar tune" Dilan heard during his first essence meditation at Noo's.
Beyond the hotel, the Vanias seem suspicious overall. In one of Maven's informant's letters, it's suggested that either Gatastate or the Sentinel Tower is Vania property, potentially tying them to Noo and the Nihtlings.
The very same, he happened to also be an Uprising agent in the main story.