Others Kings Fall [v 0.2.7.7d] [Bastard Games]

[baka]

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portable-shop error heres the fix.

 

[doomngloom]

So, no bugs to report right now, just a couple Qs for whoever wants to answer.
I just unlocked the class book quest, and it mentioned something about magician and pirate giving more for canes and cannons(respectively)? Can someone clarify/expand on what that means?

Second, I know that sometime after the class books you can get soul books, but, are you limited to only the soul book that matches the class book you got, or can you do different ones?

And third, the cane/cannon mastery quest. Is it like the first domain visit, where you have to complete the questline before you can go back to normal areas? Or could you leave and come back in the middle due to it being in the main map rather than a map-less zone?

 

[baka]

job book gives the respective soul book.
for now u have tier 1/2 only. meaning, theres no much gain to pick a job other than magician. the mage job gives u INT/LUK and thats nice to improve damage. in tier 3, we will now start with job-specific skill and that should even out the power.
a pirate should handle the cannon better. we will see what kind of skills u get. tier 4 will not be job-specific. u get skills that affect everything and also area-damage attacks. but tier 3 skills will be your "main" attack skills.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

I couldn't continue rixxa's quest, (up to the sunrise dew) I feel like I'm way past the point (got home base and went to Ellina)

Fixed.

So, no bugs to report right now, just a couple Qs for whoever wants to answer.
I just unlocked the class book quest, and it mentioned something about magician and pirate giving more for canes and cannons(respectively)? Can someone clarify/expand on what that means?

Second, I know that sometime after the class books you can get soul books, but, are you limited to only the soul book that matches the class book you got, or can you do different ones?

And third, the cane/cannon mastery quest. Is it like the first domain visit, where you have to complete the questline before you can go back to normal areas? Or could you leave and come back in the middle due to it being in the main map rather than a map-less zone?

1. Job Classes have exclusive Gear JUST for that class. For Mage and Pirate, you have a larger pool of Gear to pull from for Cane's and Cannon's respectively.

2. You are limited to what you've already chosen and this is mainly because we don't want players to choose a Class that does the opposite of what you're building towards. Choosing Pirate as a Main Class and Mage as a secondary won't help you as both Cannon's and Cane's use vastly different Stat Pools. We felt this was safer.

3. It's the 2nd visit once you actually unlock The Cannon Class option.

 

[doomngloom]

Ok, those responses were interesting, and good to keep in mind, thank you. But, ah,

3. It's the 2nd visit once you actually unlock The Cannon Class option.

I wasn't asking when the stuff unlocks, I just made the choice(cane) and did the first domain trial, and I was mainly asking what the actual questline was like before I did it. Not really looking for spoilers, just, the intro thing said it involved going to perion to handle something, so I was asking if we were locked in there until the quest is done, like we were locked in the domain the very first time until we completed that questline and got to go home. Or can we go in and out of perion mid-quest and complete the quest at our leisure as we can with most other quests.

Also, while I'm thinking about it, the lith harbor gacha gives return scrolls for a number of locations, including the nautilus, ellinia, perion, kerning, and sleepywood, all well before you actually unlock any of those locations. So what happens if you try to use those return scrolls to visit those locations before you unlock them normally? I haven't tried it because I don't want to bork my game due to everything being auto-saved instead of manual saves.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Ok, those responses were interesting, and good to keep in mind, thank you. But, ah,

I wasn't asking when the stuff unlocks, I just made the choice(cane) and did the first domain trial, and I was mainly asking what the actual questline was like before I did it. Not really looking for spoilers, just, the intro thing said it involved going to perion to handle something, so I was asking if we were locked in there until the quest is done, like we were locked in the domain the very first time until we completed that questline and got to go home. Or can we go in and out of perion mid-quest and complete the quest at our leisure as we can with most other quests.

Also, while I'm thinking about it, the lith harbor gacha gives return scrolls for a number of locations, including the nautilus, ellinia, perion, kerning, and sleepywood, all well before you actually unlock any of those locations. So what happens if you try to use those return scrolls to visit those locations before you unlock them normally? I haven't tried it because I don't want to bork my game due to everything being auto-saved instead of manual saves.

Ah. And no. The game rarely forces you to be stuck somewhere and have no way of leaving it. Even when doing the Mastery Quest, you can leave and do something else if you wish. I think there's only like... 4+ times in the entire game that you're locked in a location and have to complete it before you're allowed to leave and go back to the Open World.

As for the Return Scrolls, they will fail if you've never been there before. The Map Icon needs to be lit in a location for a Return Scroll to be able to take you there.

 

[doomngloom]

Ah. And no. The game rarely forces you to be stuck somewhere and have no way of leaving it. Even when doing the Mastery Quest, you can leave and do something else if you wish. I think there's only like... 4+ times in the entire game that you're locked in a location and have to complete it before you're allowed to leave and go back to the Open World.

As for the Return Scrolls, they will fail if you've never been there before. The Map Icon needs to be lit in a location for a Return Scroll to be able to take you there.

Ok, yeah, that mastery quest was a lot quicker and simpler than I had expected (and perion less city-like than I had expected), and involved manually going back and forth between perion and normal areas. That intro to the mastery quests had me expecting something a bit longer and more serious, makes me rather annoyed at them, lol.

Good to know, and I should have expected that if there were an issue with using the scrolls early, you guys would have found out and fixed it already, you do pretty good work.

One tiny, mostly ignorable possible bug for you atm. The shops sell various pet treats you can eat for increased speed in towns, which is neat and really useful. But apparently they don't consider mushroomtown to be a town? When I go back to put things in/take things out of my stash, or do quests there, the speed for dry treats and such don't seem to apply. More general speed buffs, like speed pots? yeah, they apply anywhere, including there, but not the town-only ones. Not a big deal, as mushroomtown is so small, and if it's intentional, it's fine, it's just a little odd.
Though thinking about it, I suppose it is due to the frogs, and particularly the bigger frog that can show up. Ah well.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Ok, yeah, that mastery quest was a lot quicker and simpler than I had expected (and perion less city-like than I had expected), and involved manually going back and forth between perion and normal areas. That intro to the mastery quests had me expecting something a bit longer and more serious, makes me rather annoyed at them, lol.

Good to know, and I should have expected that if there were an issue with using the scrolls early, you guys would have found out and fixed it already, you do pretty good work.

One tiny, mostly ignorable possible bug for you atm. The shops sell various pet treats you can eat for increased speed in towns, which is neat and really useful. But apparently they don't consider mushroomtown to be a town? When I go back to put things in/take things out of my stash, or do quests there, the speed for dry treats and such don't seem to apply. More general speed buffs, like speed pots? yeah, they apply anywhere, including there, but not the town-only ones. Not a big deal, as mushroomtown is so small, and if it's intentional, it's fine, it's just a little odd.
Though thinking about it, I suppose it is due to the frogs, and particularly the bigger frog that can show up. Ah well.

I think baka can see if he might change that as new players would deal with Frogs where as older players would just use it to come and go. We'll see if there's an option there but at least you unlock another Stash later on in the story

 

[baka]

the new update is out version 2.6.2c
it will fix a bunch of bugs + some bugs fixed by Haseo for the story

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if u don't want to download the whole thing, u can use the patch
the patch should only be used with the vanilla 2.6.2 version or any a,b1-5 updates. do not extract together with the 2.6.2c

 

[doomngloom]

Ok, now for me to ask for actual spoilers.
Just got to Camila's choice to either give her space or let a friend talk to her, lover path, but while the romance choice txt in the games help folder talks about the possible outcomes of romancing her, I can't find any data on which choice leads to which outcome.
Which, I suppose, is realistic, you don't generally have guides to how to romance real people, but you also don't have to get to fight giant jumping mushrooms in real life either thank goodness.
This is a fantasy, so can someone help me have my fantasy of knowing what I'm doing?

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Ok, now for me to ask for actual spoilers.
Just got to Camila's choice to either give her space or let a friend talk to her, lover path, but while the romance choice txt in the games help folder talks about the possible outcomes of romancing her, I can't find any data on which choice leads to which outcome.
Which, I suppose, is realistic, you don't generally have guides to how to romance real people, but you also don't have to get to fight giant jumping mushrooms in real life either thank goodness.
This is a fantasy, so can someone help me have my fantasy of knowing what I'm doing?

Giving her advice leads to you breaking up and starting up Camila's Proper Lady Route where she becomes less innocent and such and more empowered. (BUT, the game will allow you a panic button after the next couple of Story Missions where you can see if Camila regrets breaking up and this will either loop you back around to the Girlfriend Route OR continue her Lady Route)

Let The Friend basically doesn't give her any chance to think about her choice so she stays with you

 

[Periah250]

so if your in the recollection zone checking out previous scenes if you click quickly through a scene to go check another scene out or exit a scene and enter a new scene too quickly it will hard crash the game with some kind of memory error.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

so if your in the recollection zone checking out previous scenes if you click quickly through a scene to go check another scene out or exit a scene and enter a new scene too quickly it will hard crash the game with some kind of memory error.

I think that's the Hammering Detection. It's basically making sure you're not clicking too fast that the pages collide with each other

 

[doomngloom]

Huh, I was thinking I was hitting actual memory issues, since I do have some issues with memory even outside of the game. And I mostly got the random crashes due to pictures, either the cg(not just standing character pics) that pop up in dialogue, or looking through quests.
I did make a list of the error messages that popped up when it crashes, since I got a few different ones, so I'll post those now. Didn't really pay attention to the numbers on most of them since there were like 15-20 digits, I think.

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[whitecode]

About Oz's buying the house, does buying the house full (marriage route) locks out of Cecily contents? What of Violets?

 

[baka]

I have been trying to recreate memory issues. but I can't. the game works perfectly for me.
so I have been trying to guess, what can it be, why do people get memory issues?
is it some kind of GPU limitation? the game asking too much?
do u get the same issue if u use "software" mode? thats something that can be tested.
(but u need to be sure about a crash, like: if I do this and this = crash, and u try the same but using software)
if its a hardware issue, it means theres something about the GPU internal memory.
I use a "buffer" method, that means pictures gets stored in a "list" where they get removed after a bit if not used again.
this to speed up rendering. but if theres some kind of limitation maybe I need to refresh that list "faster" so that u can load more.
but I need to be sure. because Im not 100% and I can't recreate it myself.
its easy to fix bugs when I also get it. but very hard when I don't get it myself.
so, if doomngloom and Periah250 can try it and give me feedback I can look into it. maybe do what I wrote make a refresh of the buffer-memory sooner.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

About Oz's buying the house, does buying the house full (marriage route) locks out of Cecily contents? What of Violets?

Not entirely. You will get new Cecily and Oz scenes but they have different themes behind them.

Maid Route: Cecily becomes sexually dominated until she grows feelings for the Hero
Marriage Route: Oz begins to notice that her mother has a crush and mutually helps her into following those feelings.

Regardless, you will have scenes and threesomes with both Routes, just different storylines and fetishes. Cecily will do anal in Maid before she does so in Marriage for example.

 

[bibol2110]

Hey fellas been a long time since i last played the game (chapter 1 of kerning just released back then) so i thought i'll hop back in and check out the new content. However i hit an annoying roadblock right at the start. I got 2.6.2 version, everything worked as was said in game (with gameplay tips etc), but just one little tiny ANNOYING thing. Renka doesnt spawn for me I must have grinded like 3h in real time for her to spawn in the advertised spot

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, i have killed almost 4k stumps and still no sight of her. Is she blocked behind some quest? Main storyline? The quest tracker just said Lvl 9. I progressed to just starting henesys/no Rien done yet, but im lvl 58 (with safety medal for supposed easy time). Can some1 help explain to me how to spawn her? I unlocked wanderers in Lith Harbor already, and killed Little Dragon or Flying Dragon a few times, w/e his name is ;p Just in case i got a problem in files, i'll attack the save file. I honestly dont want any boost or anything, just checking what's wrong
PS. Sorry for the wall of text, im kinda aggitated -.-

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Hey fellas been a long time since i last played the game (chapter 1 of kerning just released back then) so i thought i'll hop back in and check out the new content. However i hit an annoying roadblock right at the start. I got 2.6.2 version, everything worked as was said in game (with gameplay tips etc), but just one little tiny ANNOYING thing. Renka doesnt spawn for me I must have grinded like 3h in real time for her to spawn in the advertised spot

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, i have killed almost 4k stumps and still no sight of her. Is she blocked behind some quest? Main storyline? The quest tracker just said Lvl 9. I progressed to just starting henesys/no Rien done yet, but im lvl 58 (with safety medal for supposed easy time). Can some1 help explain to me how to spawn her? I unlocked wanderers in Lith Harbor already, and killed Little Dragon or Flying Dragon a few times, w/e his name is ;p Just in case i got a problem in files, i'll attack the save file. I honestly dont want any boost or anything, just checking what's wrong
PS. Sorry for the wall of text, im kinda aggitated -.-

We're looking through the code because it seems your fresh save is auto leveling Renka even though you have yet to actually interact with her.

Once we figure it out, we'll ask you for your current save and we can apply a fix. At least you can focus on other contet for the mean time.

 

[baka]

u right, something is not working. its the "medal of safety" that made her not spawn.
will fix it tomorrow and release a .exe
So ignore her for now. do her quests tomorrow.