Others Kings Fall [v 0.2.7.7d] [Bastard Games]

[bobdillan]

The drop-rates are in some desperate need of rebalancing.

On low.. it is just abysmal, which makes it worse for quests despite the supposed buff to drops on quests. (which is barely notice-able)

With the slider being locked to patrons only you sometimes have to kill hundreds of mobs cause RNG says "Fuck you"

e.g. currently doing the quest for lolico pants and chest, also the quest for wooden sword. I have killed around 2-3 hundred MuruMuru (which was annoying in of itself since they are spread out, so are slow to kill even on highest spawn rate).
The quests require one of each item.
From that 2-3 hundred I have gotten this:
50-60 murumuru balls (can't give exact since i had some from the previous culling quest).
2 wooden swords.
3 lolico pants (I actually have 4, because of the previous 150 I killed for quest)
0 lolico Armor (this one really doesn't want to drop).

So in around 350-450 (the amount i have just killed plus the 150 from cull quest both of which I had the lolico quest on for), I have gotten 0 lolico armor.

If the low droprate is really needed to be kept (which I personally don't get why it is so drastically low tbh, by the time you can kill them decently fast, the armor and weapons they drop aren't useful anymore), then I suggest a escalating odds system for quest items. this basically mean the chance to get the item increases after each kill until it reaches 100% chance (assuming one is extremely unlucky for it to even get to 100).

Basically while on quest, the game would check if the item has dropped after killing that mob, and if not it will increase the chance each kill until the item drops resetting to base chance. (repeating for items you need multiple of).

One other thing, this low droprate, really makes boses kinda pointless... since they drop barely anything, so best just skipping them and coming back later to afk with a autoclicker or something when you can kill them decently fast.

I assume the way to play isn't intended to be using an auto clicker on a high speed (that is low enough to dodge the detection), and afk the boses.
But with how the droprates are and being unable to change them unless you pay for that ability... kinda forces the player to do so.

p.s. I know there is an easy mode and that may or may not allow you to skip such things, but that doesn't fix the actual problem when playing normally.

 

[baka]

this can be fixed differently. like allowing a npc to sell u stuff or exchange shop having the item u need.
will talk to Haseo about it.

 

[tunpisit]

Yours is now fixed as well

thx u and again i'm stuck again.
pia and maria quest.

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[bobdillan]

that quest should be "updated" so u dont need the puppets. we will fix it next build.
so, I will see with Haseo if we can create a "npc" that will give the puppets for free (with a small patch) until next update
u should not spend that much time for a mission.

Was this ever fixed? cause am playing v0.2.6.0 and there is still a quest for those green puppets, but they aren't on the bestiary.

And have killed over 125 (doing another quest while having this one as well) and not one has dropped.

 

[Froster0]

Hello, about "Hammering detected" "feature", I have been getting the message often and randomly.

I didn't tamper with the game nor did I use any auto click/key software and these occurrences became more apparent after I updated to 0.2.6. I can't really recreate it as, again, it seems almost random but it did look like it happened mostly(if not only) with keyboard inputs specifically when moving.
The purpose of this comment is feedback, i hope it helps bring light to a possible problem.

 

[baka]

its updated. check thread for new .exe
the hammering is too sensible, better to use another method.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

on the duo, are there two different corruption routes (one for MC only and one for shared), or just the shared/NTR/whatever only?

No. One is required where they splinter off and fuck either Sid or The Old Men of Henesys. They have Bonus Scenes where they basically fuck the other girls partner for group sex but it's not going to end up being a seperate route and works just as a way to reward players if they chose Corruption for both.

The drop-rates are in some desperate need of rebalancing.

On low.. it is just abysmal, which makes it worse for quests despite the supposed buff to drops on quests. (which is barely notice-able)

With the slider being locked to patrons only you sometimes have to kill hundreds of mobs cause RNG says "Fuck you"

e.g. currently doing the quest for lolico pants and chest, also the quest for wooden sword. I have killed around 2-3 hundred MuruMuru (which was annoying in of itself since they are spread out, so are slow to kill even on highest spawn rate).
The quests require one of each item.
From that 2-3 hundred I have gotten this:
50-60 murumuru balls (can't give exact since i had some from the previous culling quest).
2 wooden swords.
3 lolico pants (I actually have 4, because of the previous 150 I killed for quest)
0 lolico Armor (this one really doesn't want to drop).

So in around 350-450 (the amount i have just killed plus the 150 from cull quest both of which I had the lolico quest on for), I have gotten 0 lolico armor.

If the low droprate is really needed to be kept (which I personally don't get why it is so drastically low tbh, by the time you can kill them decently fast, the armor and weapons they drop aren't useful anymore), then I suggest a escalating odds system for quest items. this basically mean the chance to get the item increases after each kill until it reaches 100% chance (assuming one is extremely unlucky for it to even get to 100).

Basically while on quest, the game would check if the item has dropped after killing that mob, and if not it will increase the chance each kill until the item drops resetting to base chance. (repeating for items you need multiple of).

One other thing, this low droprate, really makes boses kinda pointless... since they drop barely anything, so best just skipping them and coming back later to afk with a autoclicker or something when you can kill them decently fast.

I assume the way to play isn't intended to be using an auto clicker on a high speed (that is low enough to dodge the detection), and afk the boses.
But with how the droprates are and being unable to change them unless you pay for that ability... kinda forces the player to do so.

p.s. I know there is an easy mode and that may or may not allow you to skip such things, but that doesn't fix the actual problem when playing normally.

I'll add a way to get the set seperatly but it won't be until the next update.

thx u and again i'm stuck again.
pia and maria quest.

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Neither is bugged. You need to hand Pia The Prime Minister Card Set by heading into Mushroom Castle and killing/collecting all the cards there.

For Orchid, you're missing a sex scene to give her more Affection. Check Kerning City to make sure you have them all.

Was this ever fixed? cause am playing v0.2.6.0 and there is still a quest for those green puppets, but they aren't on the bestiary.

And have killed over 125 (doing another quest while having this one as well) and not one has dropped.

This was fixed. The Green Puppets we're talking about are from Monster Cousins and they appear after you kill a certain type, a few dozen times. They have joke names and you'll know when they appear.

Hello, about "Hammering detected" "feature", I have been getting the message often and randomly.

I didn't tamper with the game nor did I use any auto click/key software and these occurrences became more apparent after I updated to 0.2.6. I can't really recreate it as, again, it seems almost random but it did look like it happened mostly(if not only) with keyboard inputs specifically when moving.
The purpose of this comment is feedback, i hope it helps bring light to a possible problem.

There's an exe 1-2 pages back. Download it and it should fix the isssue

 

[Kratos98]

Im having issues running the game. Every time i click Log, or Homepage in it gives me an error; Runtime Error '-2004352254 (88880302). I didnt have this issue when i played this game about a year ago. Any suggestions?

 

[Deleted member 492881]

how many ntr scenes? is it actually implemented or just losing girls

 

[bobdillan]

No. One is required where they splinter off and fuck either Sid or The Old Men of Henesys. They have Bonus Scenes where they basically fuck the other girls partner for group sex but it's not going to end up being a seperate route and works just as a way to reward players if they chose Corruption for both.

Hmmm, I believe I understand now, basically only specific corruption routes will be MC only, and use the doc to check.

Speaking of that doc... I spotted this:

Contradictory... since the fact of NTR/gangbang, means they weren't loyal :| (or is this some kind of jada picket smith "Loyalty" coming back isn't loyal basically, because the act of going out at all, is disloyal)

So I would suggest changing the wording, since it can't be both NTR/gangbang and incredibly loyal, those things be mutually exclusive. (If it means what i think it means, then "she always comes back despite seeing others" would be more fitting).

This was fixed. The Green Puppets we're talking about are from Monster Cousins and they appear after you kill a certain type, a few dozen times. They have joke names and you'll know when they appear.

ah.... from killing the green ones? (cause i have killed hundreds and haven't seemed to come across those cousins).

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Im having issues running the game. Every time i click Log, or Homepage in it gives me an error; Runtime Error '-2004352254 (88880302). I didnt have this issue when i played this game about a year ago. Any suggestions?

baka Will answer this one

how many ntr scenes? is it actually implemented or just losing girls

So there is a lot of NTR of the Hero stealing women from other men, Netorase where he shares the women with other men for political means, and there is one girl the Hero can lose entirely if you make certain decisions. If you want to lose the girl and watch what is done to her, find Rain and choose her Bad Crowd Route.

Hmmm, I believe I understand now, basically only specific corruption routes will be MC only, and use the doc to check.

Speaking of that doc... I spotted this:
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Contradictory... since the fact of NTR/gangbang, means they weren't loyal :| (or is this some kind of jada picket smith "Loyalty" coming back isn't loyal basically, because the act of going out at all, is disloyal)

So I would suggest changing the wording, since it can't be both NTR/gangbang and incredibly loyal, those things be mutually exclusive. (If it means what i think it means, then "she always comes back despite seeing others" would be more fitting).



ah.... from killing the green ones? (cause i have killed hundreds and haven't seemed to come across those cousins).

I meant it as remaining loyal that no matter how many men she fucks, she always goes running back to Hero but yeah I can touch up the writing a bit.

 

[Samknowsall]

where do you take maya out for her date during her love quest (maya for chief) questline? Got distracted with other things when that quest told me where to go and cant backtrack to see where it is in the log

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

where do you take maya out for her date during her love quest (maya for chief) questline? Got distracted with other things when that quest told me where to go and cant backtrack to see where it is in the log

I think you mean when Mina and the Hero go on a date. The date happens after the Hero returns from Maple Island when Lily is back in his life. You just have to speak to Maya in Henesys.

If you cannot find her, post your save.sav and I'll check

 

[hanami555]

anyone know where the first tinkerer box in southperry is?

 

[Samknowsall]

I think you mean when Mina and the Hero go on a date. The date happens after the Hero returns from Maple Island when Lily is back in his life. You just have to speak to Maya in Henesys.

If you cannot find her, post your save.sav and I'll check

yeah its says after mina's date, talk to maya. but cant get the quest to start again or im just looking in the wrong spot. Here's my save
nevermind, i had to give a bow to the tru (info) guy for some reason. that made the maya quest go on. thanks for offering to help though

 

[tunpisit]

For Orchid, you're missing a sex scene to give her more Affection. Check Kerning City to make sure you have them all.

I can't find her.
Can you tell me where it is?

 

[baka]

Im having issues running the game. Every time i click Log, or Homepage in it gives me an error; Runtime Error '-2004352254 (88880302). I didnt have this issue when i played this game about a year ago. Any suggestions?

if u can start the game and only the buttons gives error, it most be something with the sound-playback.
do u hear music/sound? do u use headphones?
(its a known issue, some system do let the "directsound" initialization pass, but when playing the sound, it crash, Im not sure how to fix this)

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

anyone know where the first tinkerer box in southperry is?

Check the corners of the Lighthouse

I can't find her.
Can you tell me where it is?

Try this save. See if she pops in Home Base

 

[bobdillan]

I meant it as remaining loyal that no matter how many men she fucks, she always goes running back to Hero but yeah I can touch up the writing a bit.

yeah, is what i thought you meant.

Touching it up would be good, cause loyalty means she is only a whore for MC, and no one else can touch her, cause she is loyal.

So there is a lot of NTR of the Hero stealing women from other men, Netorase where he shares the women with other men for political means, and there is one girl the Hero can lose entirely if you make certain decisions.

Thought I should mention, NTR(Netorare) is where the hero is stolen from.
When the hero does the stealing, it is Netori.

You may wish to update the tags in that file for the ones that are MC only corruption routes (i.e. routes where only MC touches the LI, you would want to have Netori listed on them, since hero isn't stolen from).
Although I assume most have both. (Asuna one sounds like everyone she is ever with gets NTR'd at some point, whether it be kirito or MC).


BTW I had a potential idea for the drop system you may like, it is semi-runescape inspired.

Basically you would have 2-3 drop categories, the "Main drop" i.e. a drop/drop table, that drops often. And Secondary/Tertiary drops. Ones that are more rare.
Each one rolling independently of the other. (before drop modifiers, doubling the amount or w/e, i.e. if you have a roll that gives a chance of multiple drops, it would roll each new table, basically, instead of rolling the same table, it would cause the main 3 tables to roll a second or third time, you could even implement it so that it must roll something on the two base tables, but not on the rare third table which is armor and such)

So basically, the player would always get a drop from the main table (Mero if nothing rolls), and have a chance at a 2nd and 3rd drop from the secondary table and Tertiary table respectively.

So they can get up to 3 drops before and chance modifiers and such.

I find this system would be more friendly on players (so non-relevant drops like secondary and tertiary don't replace the main drops of that monster).

You could also have the main drop table roll more than once for certain monsters (e.g. if you want a monster to be more rare total, say only have 4 of them in an area max, but don't want to make the drops that much harder to get, instead of buffing the drop-rate, you could just have them roll the table more than once, so main drop would say roll 2-4 times, secondary 2-3, and tertiary 1-2).

Here is an example for Ribbon Pig:
note: pulled numbers out of my ass for the DR.


Note: Meso would roll a Meso drop table for that region, assuming you want to limit how much meso drops per region instead of a universal meso table.

I would also suggest adding the drop-rate to the bestiary so players have a better idea of what to expect. (and maybe show boosted DR when on quests).

Another thing is a PITY system, where each kill the player goes without getting a specific item, the chance increases (you can cap it to, e.g. if base is 0.1%, pity increase to up to 5% for example, if you want to keep it rare, but also balance it so the player isn't getting too much of the same item but none of the other rare items).

With this you could also have it on Boss monsters, but in a way where certain tables roll more than once because it is a boss. E.g. main drop rolls 2-3 times (along with the boosted DR of things like the beast card because it is a boss).

Card you may even wish to put on it's own sole drop table, so it can only be rolled so many times itself. e.g. if you only want card table to roll once, unless a drop modifier scroll is used.

Don't know how the current system works, so took some assumptions here.

 

[bobdillan]

its updated. check thread for new .exe
the hammering is too sensible, better to use another method.

I think the current method, where it limits how many clicks are actually done, works quite well.

Although the skip button skipping all dialogue is kinda annoying :S (I use autoclicker for dialogue now XD )

That may have been fixed in the further updated .exe tho.