Others Kings Fall [v0.2.7.10d] [Bastard Games]

[Elyngas]

The Rixxa stuff was out of order but it's fixed going forward. Let me know if you find other issues.

I will, thanks a lot

 

[Elyngas]

Hi, I just found 2 secret boxes in Kerning City, but the Tinkerer said there was a third box, which isn't mentioned in the quest log, so I was wondering if it was implemented yet? If it is, could I get a hint about its location, I looked everywhere I could think of in Kerning, but found nothing :/

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Hi, I just found 2 secret boxes in Kerning City, but the Tinkerer said there was a third box, which isn't mentioned in the quest log, so I was wondering if it was implemented yet? If it is, could I get a hint about its location, I looked everywhere I could think of in Kerning, but found nothing :/

That last one is turned off because it's in Kerning Square and my Tinkerer Storyline needs some heavy escalation right afterwards. It'll hopefully be turn on before the end of 2024

 

[Thedarkdragon007]

I have some questions about the scrolls that go on the medals (Scrolling Chance, Item Invuln., and Harvesting),:

-Do the Scrolling Chance scrolls stack with each other? (could i theoretically put on 9 scrolls, and have a 100% success rate with all scrolls, or would I just be wasting 8 of those scrolls)

-Can I put all 3 of the medal scroll effects on, or is it just one at a time?

-What does the harvesting scrolls' "+10 harvesting hits to a weapon" mean exactly? I'm assuming, from how it sounds, that it means it will work for harvesting for 10 hits on ore/plants before I'd need another, is that right?

-Regarding the "Effect void if medal removed", does that just mean I lose the effect until I re-equip the medal (I.E, stashing my gear before using a Passing potion, then throwing it back on in the next run), or would i have to put new scrolls on the medal to get the effects again?

Also, on a topic not related to the medals, are we able to use the Battle Coins from the threshold drops yet? I've made it as far as Ellinia since they were introduced, so it may just be that I'm impatient and havent gotten far enough yet to unlock their shop.

In terms of Issues, i noticed a couple possible ones:

When i got the quest to Unlock Darkness Potion 2s the other day, I got incredibly unlucy and, from the 6 threshold drops from (royal)fairies, I didn't get any all-cure potions at all until the final box drop. I didn't see any other way to get the potions from the library, so unless there's another way to get them i don't know of, that could be a quest that can just softlock due to bad RNG.

When i was catching up on Valerie's questline, at one point it said to come back once MC and Asune have sex, but let me trigger the next quest anyway, despite that not happening yet. I don't have a save to show it off this time, since I used a passing potion since then to both grab more achievement coins and get another chance at the shoulderpad from the endless maple box.

 

[baka]

you can "scroll" the "medal scrolls" on any "medal" u have and even the same one.
here example of these 3 scrolls and a bunch of times and as u see it stack.
- invulnerability, is what it sound, when u use the dark scroll on anything, and the medal has this, and u "fail" to scroll. this effect will protect your item from being destroyed. it will use "1" try. but as I wrote, only when it fails. if u successfully scrolled the item, it will not subtract the tries.
- chances. this will always be used each time u scroll a "non-100%" scroll. it will increase the chance by 10%. so a 60% scroll will be 70% and so on. it will use "1" try each time.
- harvesting, will use your own weapon when u harvest ores/plants. that way u can be on a map and kill monsters while u also harvest stuff. since normally it will limit your attack to 1 damage. each time u attack an ore/plant, "1" point is reduced.

all these effects only works when the medal is equipped. so if u don't want to waste the tries, u remove the medal.

- Battle Coins, we have yet to create a shop for that. just keep the coins until that time. it will not be any spectacular shop since u get those coins from weak monsters. but expect potions and low level equips.

- the fairy drop the "box of cures" as "achievement" drop. so, after 100,500,1000 kills u get 1 box. and it will get better depending on the threshold. but I see what u mean, that item is hard to get. maybe its time to add all-cures somewhere else, maybe this battle coin-shop? so theres more sources to get it not just the fairies. so I will look into this and talk to Haseo.

the last question I let Haseo answer.

 

[Thedarkdragon007]

ah, so the Scrolling Chance and Invuln scrolls basically add "charges" of the effect to the medal. A small part of me was hoping they'd be permanent upgrades, but that would definitely be way too overpowered. Thanks for clearing all that up for me!

 

[Elyngas]

That last one is turned off because it's in Kerning Square and my Tinkerer Storyline needs some heavy escalation right afterwards. It'll hopefully be turn on before the end of 2024

Alright, thanks, I'll stop looking then

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

When i got the quest to Unlock Darkness Potion 2s the other day, I got incredibly unlucy and, from the 6 threshold drops from (royal)fairies, I didn't get any all-cure potions at all until the final box drop. I didn't see any other way to get the potions from the library, so unless there's another way to get them i don't know of, that could be a quest that can just softlock due to bad RNG.

When i was catching up on Valerie's questline, at one point it said to come back once MC and Asune have sex, but let me trigger the next quest anyway, despite that not happening yet. I don't have a save to show it off this time, since I used a passing potion since then to both grab more achievement coins and get another chance at the shoulderpad from the endless maple box.

We added a new minigame and we can add All Cure Potions to that pool if it'll help. We'll try and discuss something else after we release to Patrons later today.

And gotcha. I'll fix that Valerie thing today. Thanks!

 

[Elyngas]

Hey, I just got the new version, and I am seeing 'Camilla's First Love' in my log, but since I choose the Lady Path with her, I was a bit worried that the update put me on her girlfriend path regardless. If it's normal to do this quest, I'm worried over nothing, but if it's her Girlfriend Path, is it possible to change it? Also, I looked all over Henesys, and I can't find Cassandra to further her Quest, maybe I am just looking in the wrong place :/ Anyway, since I am not going to be able to answer for a few hours, I'll attach my save here in case it is needed
I'll try the Celestial Cages later =D

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Hey, I just got the new version, and I am seeing 'Camilla's First Love' in my log, but since I choose the Lady Path with her, I was a bit worried that the update put me on her girlfriend path regardless. If it's normal to do this quest, I'm worried over nothing, but if it's her Girlfriend Path, is it possible to change it? Also, I looked all over Henesys, and I can't find Cassandra to further her Quest, maybe I am just looking in the wrong place :/ Anyway, since I am not going to be able to answer for a few hours, I'll attach my save here in case it is needed
I'll try the Celestial Cages later =D

Both of these were fixed after today's Patron/Subscribestar release. Public is next Friday so you'll see auto fixes to both

Also, the Tracker only Reads. It cannot and will not change anything in the game and simply ticks options on or off if they're on the Guide

 

[Elyngas]

Both of these were fixed after today's Patron/Subscribestar release. Public is next Friday so you'll see auto fixes to both

Also, the Tracker only Reads. It cannot and will not change anything in the game and simply ticks options on or off if they're on the Guide

Yeah, sorry, I meant I'm a Patreon, I got the version released today probably should have posted directly there, my bad :/
I managed to solve the Camilla thing, just had to complete the girlfriend quest already started for it to go back to the lady path But now, I'm doing her quest 'Working for Family and Love' and upon arriving near Perion, her 2nd part 'With Company' doesn't trigger, I had the previous conversation 'Discussing Issues', and the one when I arrived in the town itself 'In High Spirit', but not 'With Company'. It appears unavailable in the Quest Log and I checked my previous conversations, and it didn't happen :/
But I still can't find Cassandra for her 3rd part 'A Spooky Student', I'm supposed to find her in Hennesys, but after looking all over, even inside other's homes, still can't find her :/ the only hint I have is to look for her somehere in Hennesys
Also, I figured out what was causing the lightbulb in Amherst that I mentioned a few days ago, it was my investments in Sid's shop, didn't know I was supposed to collect that from the hatch outside his home, I must have missed that info somehow

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Yeah, sorry, I meant I'm a Patreon, I got the version released today probably should have posted directly there, my bad :/
I managed to solve the Camilla thing, just had to complete the girlfriend quest already started for it to go back to the lady path But now, I'm doing her quest 'Working for Family and Love' and upon arriving near Perion, her 2nd part 'With Company' doesn't trigger, I had the previous conversation 'Discussing Issues', and the one when I arrived in the town itself 'In High Spirit', but not 'With Company'. It appears unavailable in the Quest Log and I checked my previous conversations, and it didn't happen :/
But I still can't find Cassandra for her 3rd part 'A Spooky Student', I'm supposed to find her in Hennesys, but after looking all over, even inside other's homes, still can't find her :/ the only hint I have is to look for her somehere in Hennesys
Also, I figured out what was causing the lightbulb in Amherst that I mentioned a few days ago, it was my investments in Sid's shop, didn't know I was supposed to collect that from the hatch outside his home, I must have missed that info somehow

No, yeah I fucked up with Cass and it'll for sure work going forward. Even used your save to make sure of it lol

As for Camila, I rebuilt her entire Quest Tracker from scratch. If this doesn't work, I'm blowing my brains out lmao. Hopefully it FINALLY sticks.

And yeah, I think everytime you get a new Investment, you are told how to collect it. I can't add it to the Tracker though since it's there every 24 hours and once you complete it once, it's gone anyways lol.

But if you can post your save for the Camila stuff, I'll check.

 

[Elyngas]

I'm doing the Celestial Cages questline, here are some thoughts :
For the Cage of Sounds, the images are a bit small, it's difficult to see what they represent :/
I didn't figure out the answer to the Cage of Pitfalls, so I had to randomly guess until I found the correct one, but I might just be dumb
For the Cage of Chimes, I couldn't hear anything with the game's music, so I had to guess once again, thankfully you don't need to restart if you fail that one, just keep guessing
For the Cage of Mathematics, the second part is incorrect, because 6/2(1+2)=9, not 1. If you want to get 1 as the answer, the question should have been 6/(2(2+1)) or 6/(2x3) or something like that
The Cage just after Nautilus Harbor doesn't need a key, it just asks if you have 0 keys. But the puzzle itself worked fine
The Cage of War was fun =D
For the Cage of Discovery, everything was fine, just need to guess until you find the right one
The Cage of Searching was fine, a bit annoying until you figure the trick but once you do, it's all good =D
Also, what does the Box of Coupons that you gain by completing the puzzles do? I keep looking at my inventory but I don't see anything new :/

 

[Elyngas]

No, yeah I fucked up with Cass and it'll for sure work going forward. Even used your save to make sure of it lol

As for Camila, I rebuilt her entire Quest Tracker from scratch. If this doesn't work, I'm blowing my brains out lmao. Hopefully it FINALLY sticks.

And yeah, I think everytime you get a new Investment, you are told how to collect it. I can't add it to the Tracker though since it's there every 24 hours and once you complete it once, it's gone anyways lol.

But if you can post your save for the Camila stuff, I'll check.

As far as I can see, the Camilla issue was solved, I just have 2 quests for her in my Quest Log, but the conversations only refer to the Lady Path, so it could be just that the Quest Log isn't able to notice which Path is the correct one ^^ I have both 'Working for Family and Love' and 'A Lady and Best Friend', but both seems to follow most of the same events, with only variations due to the 2 Paths, which I think is why some parts stay greyed out for 'Working for Family and Love'
As for Cassandra, do you mean it'll work with the next patch you'll post or is it working with my current save ?
And here's my save, but as I said, I think the issue is just in Quest Log now, as the rest seems to proceed correctly, as far as I can tell, but you'll probably be able to determine if it's the case better than me

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

I'm doing the Celestial Cages questline, here are some thoughts :
For the Cage of Sounds, the images are a bit small, it's difficult to see what they represent :/
I didn't figure out the answer to the Cage of Pitfalls, so I had to randomly guess until I found the correct one, but I might just be dumb
For the Cage of Chimes, I couldn't hear anything with the game's music, so I had to guess once again, thankfully you don't need to restart if you fail that one, just keep guessing
For the Cage of Mathematics, the second part is incorrect, because 6/2(1+2)=9, not 1. If you want to get 1 as the answer, the question should have been 6/(2(2+1)) or 6/(2x3) or something like that
The Cage just after Nautilus Harbor doesn't need a key, it just asks if you have 0 keys. But the puzzle itself worked fine
The Cage of War was fun =D
For the Cage of Discovery, everything was fine, just need to guess until you find the right one
The Cage of Searching was fine, a bit annoying until you figure the trick but once you do, it's all good =D
Also, what does the Box of Coupons that you gain by completing the puzzles do? I keep looking at my inventory but I don't see anything new :/

So all The Cages work as represented and explained in game. There might be issues with you said, Sizing, but the mechanics work if you follow the Hints or Instructions.

As for the Math one, I added that precise equation to be a dick. It's the most failed formula in the history of Math so I made it 1 due to how often that side of it is taught vs the one you explained. Again, just to be a dick lmao

I'll check the others though and the one without a Key.

As for the Box, you'll see what you get in the bottom left of your game. Check any icons that are right around where you HP/MP are. They are all randomized either way

 

[Thedarkdragon007]

Not sure if any of these were fixed with the patron update, since no monies ATM, but just in case they weren't:

Is buying a medal from Spielgelmann with the Shiny maple coins supposed to actually take the coins, because I went to buy the Aran the Hero medal this morning, and it gave me the medal without taking any of the coins.

Also, I found another quest that seems to fire off too early. The game says to come back after "Friends in the World" to do "Oz's Graduation", but the game proceeded to let me do the graduation before I even left Maple Island (I had about 5M in the stash, so i could just afford to buy the house immediately).

I'll keep looking to see if i can find any more quests firing early, I'll start putting down any i find in a text file, so instead of posting as I find them, i can just Copy/paste the text for several misfired quests from the document in one quote here or something.

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

Not sure if any of these were fixed with the patron update, since no monies ATM, but just in case they weren't:

Is buying a medal from Spielgelmann with the Shiny maple coins supposed to actually take the coins, because I went to buy the Aran the Hero medal this morning, and it gave me the medal without taking any of the coins.

Also, I found another quest that seems to fire off too early. The game says to come back after "Friends in the World" to do "Oz's Graduation", but the game proceeded to let me do the graduation before I even left Maple Island (I had about 5M in the stash, so i could just afford to buy the house immediately).

I'll keep looking to see if i can find any more quests firing early, I'll start putting down any i find in a text file, so instead of posting as I find them, i can just Copy/paste the text for several misfired quests from the document in one quote here or something.

We can for sure these are fixed for Public. Thanks for bringing them up!

 

[Elyngas]

So all The Cages work as represented and explained in game. There might be issues with you said, Sizing, but the mechanics work if you follow the Hints or Instructions.

As for the Math one, I added that precise equation to be a dick. It's the most failed formula in the history of Math so I made it 1 due to how often that side of it is taught vs the one you explained. Again, just to be a dick lmao

I'll check the others though and the one without a Key.

As for the Box, you'll see what you get in the bottom left of your game. Check any icons that are right around where you HP/MP are. They are all randomized either way

Yeah they worked fine, I just couldn't figure out some of them
For the math one, didn't know about the failed formula Messing with people is fun, I can understand that =D Just wanted to make sure it was on purpose
So the coupon box is like the random dices? As in, temporary random effects? Damn, I missed that, I guess I'll have to wait for future Cages or when I'll decide to do an other playthrough

 

[Elyngas]

Hi, I found a bug in Maggie's Questline. During the quest 'The Brattiest Goddess', if you fail the puzzle, you can't try again. I dropped a new key to try the puzzle a second time, but every time I try talking to her, I always instantly get the message for failure, never giving me the option to try again. This is the only thing I see :

 

[HaseoOfDeath]

I'll start fixing these for Public