Others Last Man + Countdown DLC [v4.37] [Vortex Cannon Ent.]

[vortexcannon]

"The game is rated two stars for a reason!" Players don't like to be controlled and manipulated. Hence the poor reviews.

If you look at the reviews, then you will notice that the negative reviews are outdated for a long time, the errors and the functionality to which they refer have long been fixed or changed. And if they put 1 star, for the fact that the game is online, then this is not a review. I think if admins will have time, they will clean up such reviews.

 

[mahem]

o mai...i pulled a nerve there....yup the truth always hurts doesnt it.

by the way,,,,you still havent answered a simple question..you want to able to cheat the heck out of this game?

 

[Deleted member 216358]

"most", "majority" - it is you who show yourself as not very smart. Even if a thousand people post that they don't want to play online, it will be even less then 1% of the players. And you know why? Because the rest are playing, and not inventing reasons for how to crap someone else's work on the Internet.
There is no any pay-to-win in the game. Anyone can complete the game without cheats, club, etc.

And yes, everyone who supports the development of my games receives privileges, early access, cheats, etc. This is how any game on Patreon works. And I repeat again, if you are not comfortable with any of the games here on the forum, you have the right to pass by. How hard is it for an adult to understand? lol

Your statistics are quite imaginative but I'm not going to focus on that.

The fact is that most players want a single player game with local saves, no online account, no anti-cheat system, and no pay-to-win scheme. You as a developer can do whatever you wish. No one is going to stop you.

You can't however force players to like it. Why are all the thousands of players you claim you have, not posting positive reviews? Your statistics are imaginative, that is the reason. You will continue to get beat up in the reviews as you continue to ignore player feedback and attempt to control players and all aspects of the game. Players don't like to be restricted and controlled to the level you have implemented.

Players have spoken and because of your desire to control everything, the community has given your game a two star rating. I can't make this shit up. You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it.

Thank you for your contributions to the F95Zone community!

I've said my peace and won't bother you further. Cheers!

 

[vortexcannon]

Your statistics are quite imaginative but I'm not going to focus on that.

The fact is that most players want a single player game with local saves, no online account, no anti-cheat system, and no pay-to-win scheme. You as a developer can do whatever you wish. No one is going to stop you.

You can't however force players to like it. Why are all the thousands of players you claim you have, not posting positive reviews? Your statistics are imaginative, that is the reason. You will continue to get beat up in the reviews as you continue to ignore player feedback and attempt to control players and all aspects of the game. Players don't like to be restricted and controlled to the level you have implemented.

Players have spoken and because of your desire to control everything, the community has given your game a two star rating. I can't make this shit up. You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it.

Thank you for your contributions to the F95Zone community!

I've said my peace and won't bother you further. Cheers!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the fact that many people do not like online games. This does not concern me in any way, since I have a lot of players and I love them all. And those who do not play my games, they have a right to it, same as I have the right to make such games as I want. I can't force anyone to love my games, and I don't do it (how do I even can do it?)

All "restrictions" (as you put it in your post) of the game are indicated in the first post: that the game is online, saves are stored in the cloud, that there are no cheats in the public version. Also there is a link to my post with useful feature of online for players and for me as a dev. Most modern games have the same one, and I see no evil in that.

As I wrote earlier, if this does not suit anyone, then he can find another game, and if you like online games like me, then welcome.

EDIT
Steam's top 20 most played for today. How many of them are online? one? two? Oh, wait... So is it your "statistics are imaginative"? It seems that most players do not care about an online/offline game, the main thing is that they are interesting to them.

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[nightburn12]

I know this game is well made and constantly updated but at the same time I cannot afford to be giving up 10 dollars to get to enjoy the game more. Live in a dorm with a roommate. Only so much time I can get alone and this game like others can easily go above what time I have alone. This is why I cheat at the start of games so I don't have to grind and can enjoy it more. It sucks to finally find the game I played when I was younger is no longer offline and cheats are disabled. I wish there was an offline version with cheats enabled so I could play what seems to be a good game and one up my alley.

 

[XxLolxX1]

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Steam's top 20 most played for today. How many of them are online? one? two? Oh, wait... So is it your "statistics are imaginative"? It seems that most players do not care about an online/offline game, the main thing is that they are interesting to them.
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You're comparing games that are online because you play with other people and your game that is online just as a DRM / Anti-cheat to sell cheats through your patreon or website which are two totally different things, one is normal and the other one is scummy. ( most of those games don't require you to be online to play while yours does )

I was supporting you 3 years ago when your game could be played offline and you could cheat the grind but when I saw that it was online only and that you had an anti-cheat I just didn't want to play it anymore. The game was quite fun ( i'm saying was since I haven't touched it since 3 years ago ) and I really enjoyed it.

I enjoy singleplayer games and online games, what I don't enjoy is online only singleplayer games. Like what Ghost Recon Breakpoint did for example, you can't play offline even when you play in singleplayer, because they wanted online only as a DRM / anti-cheat so that people would buy their "time savers" which is exactly what you're doing. You're free to do as you please but we're free to critize the choices you make on your game. If you can't see after what happened in the AAA gaming industry that people don't want online only and anti-cheat on a singleplayer game then you're seriously blind.

I'm pretty sure you think that if you remove the online only and anti-cheat part of your game no one will pay for it anymore but some games proved that even without a DRM good games will sell / get supported. ( The Witcher 3, Sekiro, Divinity Original Sin 2, Darkest Dungeon, Stardew Valley, Batman Arkham Asylum, etc... ) It's been proved over and over again that piracy doesn't reduce sales. I'm 95% sure that this site brings more money to games that are released here than if it weren't.

by the way,,,,you still havent answered a simple question..you want to able to cheat the heck out of this game?

Because I don't want to grind through a porn game. If I wanted to grind I would go play an MMO or an RPG not a porn game. I want to be free to do as I please on a singleplayer game. You're free to do what you want with anything you buy, why would it be different with games ?


Edit : I just found my account back my username was XxLolxX if you want to check for yourself that I was a paid backer back then. It was on wordpress something like this if I remember right.

 

[vortexcannon]

XxLolxX1
You forgot to mention one important difference. These games are paid. And you can play mine absolutely free, even if it has DRM.
90% of the games on this forum are abandoned, and the authors have no desire or ability to complete them. No piracy has anything to do with it. It is simply a fact that if the indie game does not have monetization, it will die (Yes, there are exceptions). You were a subscriber year and a half ago. Thanks to you and other subs, I had the opportunity to continue to develop the game. Now all that content from early access has long been available in the public version. And 300k players play for free, and do not even suspect that you are arguing here about some restrictions.

 

[XxLolxX1]

XxLolxX1
You forgot to mention one important difference. These games are paid. And you can play mine absolutely free, even if it has DRM.
90% of the games on this forum are abandoned, and the authors have no desire or ability to complete them. No piracy has anything to do with it. It is simply a fact that if the indie game does not have monetization, it will die (Yes, there are exceptions). You were a subscriber year and a half ago. Thanks to you and other subs, I had the opportunity to continue to develop the game. Now all that content from early access has long been available in the public version. And 300k players play for free, and do not even suspect that you are arguing here about some restrictions.

Some games are free to play on the chart you showed but that's not really the point, you can play most games for free anyways wether your game is free or not.

No 90% of the games on this site aren't abandoned 2317 are completed, 922 are abandoned and 78 onhold that's around 27.7% that are abandoned. The reasons they abandoned aren't purely financial though ( I'm really not going to check each author to see which left for what reason ) even if it might be the reason for some.

Any game without monetization will die, there are different type of monetization though, selling the game at 60$ is monetizing the game, microtransactions is another even if it's a cancerous one. Some devs on this site live off of donation and are doing very well for themselves, the devs of Summertime Saga for example are doing very well and their game is 100% free to play without DRM or anti-cheat.

You don't have 300k players, you had 300k players since you started developping the game or maybe just 300k accounts I don't know how you did your math but I honestly doubt that many of those players are still playing constantly or coming back, you can say the contrary I wouldn't believe you for a second since the most played game on steam almost doesn't have 300k players constantly. Saying that many people play your game makes you look desperate for players, especially when you're trying to make people give good reviews for rewards in the game.

I honestly would rather have to pay 10$ a month to play your game but play it offline and being able to cheat than play it for free in the state it is now ( talking about the DRM and anti-cheat not the game itself since I haven't played it )

Others tried to put a DRM on top of their early access indie game but it's honestly disgusting. Your game isn't even finished and you sell what is basically cheats behind a subscription paywall and you add a DRM / anti-cheat so that people are forced to pay to be able to skip the grind / boring parts of your game. It makes you look very scummy and it might be the main reason why your paid subscriptions aren't going up.


You clearly know that it's scummy and not reasonable to put a DRM and anti-cheat in your game otherwise you wouldn't throw half assed arguments to defend it. The only reason you put a DRM and anti-cheat in your game is to make more money and there is nothing wrong with wanting to make money but what you're doing is forcing people to pay to be able to skip the boring part of your game instead of delivering constant quality updates and listen to well argumented feedback from your community. Because the main people you're fucking with your DRM and anti-cheat right now if your community, they're the one getting a worst experience not the people that were pirating and cheating on your game those people don't care they're just going to skip playing your game and I say that as someone that was backing you up and loved your game.

 

[vortexcannon]

XxLolxX1
Okay, with 300k, I went too far, I have 67% of returning players with free accounts (returned more then once), that's 240k players for today. But this is not counting the players who played before "online DRM" statistics. Should I say them that you consider this as disgusting?

I do "delivering constant quality updates and listen to well argumented feedback from your community". The whole random was removed from the game, alpha points were removed, all key storylines became available regardless of the player's decisions so you can't miss something important. In general, everything that the players asked for is done. Therefore, the players return.

Don't tell me about Witcher, Summertime Saga or EA. We have completely different conditions, we will make different games, and we may like different games as players.

And something else, I'm not "throwing half assed arguments" and not "fucking" anyone here. So if you have something to say, use normal language, please.

 

[mahem]

that will limit youre games on f95 quite a bit, i could put in a list of grinding games. but i am sure you know the youre self.
ok when youre point is you can use cheatcodes in those games, and thats why you dont c them as grinding games you could be right.
except for this,,,,,you arent realy playing this game,,,you made a porn movie out oof it.

 

[Deleted member 507366]

You're comparing games that are online because you play with other people and your game that is online just as a DRM / Anti-cheat to sell cheats through your patreon or website which are two totally different things, one is normal and the other one is scummy. ( most of those games don't require you to be online to play while yours does )

I was supporting you 3 years ago when your game could be played offline and you could cheat the grind but when I saw that it was online only and that you had an anti-cheat I just didn't want to play it anymore. The game was quite fun ( i'm saying was since I haven't touched it since 3 years ago ) and I really enjoyed it.

I enjoy singleplayer games and online games, what I don't enjoy is online only singleplayer games. Like what Ghost Recon Breakpoint did for example, you can't play offline even when you play in singleplayer, because they wanted online only as a DRM / anti-cheat so that people would buy their "time savers" which is exactly what you're doing. You're free to do as you please but we're free to critize the choices you make on your game. If you can't see after what happened in the AAA gaming industry that people don't want online only and anti-cheat on a singleplayer game then you're seriously blind.

I'm pretty sure you think that if you remove the online only and anti-cheat part of your game no one will pay for it anymore but some games proved that even without a DRM good games will sell / get supported. ( The Witcher 3, Sekiro, Divinity Original Sin 2, Darkest Dungeon, Stardew Valley, Batman Arkham Asylum, etc... ) It's been proved over and over again that piracy doesn't reduce sales. I'm 95% sure that this site brings more money to games that are released here than if it weren't.



Because I don't want to grind through a porn game. If I wanted to grind I would go play an MMO or an RPG not a porn game. I want to be free to do as I please on a singleplayer game. You're free to do what you want with anything you buy, why would it be different with games ?


Edit : I just found my account back my username was XxLolxX if you want to check for yourself that I was a paid backer back then. It was on wordpress something like this if I remember right.

You are correct, it is a scummy way to try and force players to pay! I guess the author doesn't have confidence that his game is good enough on its own and has to resort to shady pay-to-win schemes.

I love online games but only games that NEED to be online. This game doesn't fit into that category. It is a single player game with a forced online component to prevent cheating and save game manipulation. If you want to cheat, you have to PAY UP! This is a huge turnoff to many players, including myself!

The only way the author will learn though is through his pocketbook. As long as there are sheep out there who love being controlled pay him, it will continue and nothing will change.

Thank you to you and spectre1viper for your thoughtful and much needed posts!

 

[vortexcannon]

You are correct, it is a scummy way to try and force players to pay! I guess the author doesn't have confidence that his game is good enough on its own and has to resort to shady pay-to-win schemes.

I love online games but only games that NEED to be online. This game doesn't fit into that category. It is a single player game with a forced online component to prevent cheating and save game manipulation. If you want to cheat, you have to PAY UP! This is a huge turnoff to many players, including myself!

The only way the author will learn though is through his pocketbook. As long as there are sheep out there who love being controlled pay him, it will continue and nothing will change.

Thank you to you and spectre1viper for your thoughtful and much needed posts!

Why are you posing yourself as expert in gamedev, talking about fictional scam and fraud, if all you need is cheats in the public version of the game? This is so lame. I already wrote earlier that the whole game will be available in public, all locations, cheats, walkthrough, etc.

 

[mememeandmyself]

Why are you posing yourself as expert in gamedev, talking about fictional scam and fraud, if all you need is cheats in the public version of the game? This is so lame. I already wrote earlier that the whole game will be available in public, all locations, cheats, walkthrough, etc.

But for how long now have you've been promising this? It's great for you that you're making money but this practice is as toxic as mobile games and micro transactions. Even more so since you don't actually own any of the content of your game. And yes I would have to consent that all the real porn games on this site ripped all their content but when the game is available here on this site you can do whatever you want with it. Be it cheating or modding, looking at you spectre1viper, with your game it is not.

In short it's off course your game and you should do with it as you please, but when you use this site to "publish" and promote it. You're going to get called out for this bs. Especially with your reasoning for it.

But yeah just my two cents.

 

[vortexcannon]

But for how long now have you've been promising this? It's great for you that you're making money but this practice is as toxic as mobile games and micro transactions. Even more so since you don't actually own any of the content of your game. And yes I would have to consent that all the real porn games on this site ripped all their content but when the game is available here on this site you can do whatever you want with it. Be it cheating or modding, looking at you spectre1viper, with your game it is not.

In short it's off course your game and you should do with it as you please, but when you use this site to "publish" and promote it. You're going to get called out for this bs. Especially with your reasoning for it.

But yeah just my two cents.

BS is to expose yourself as an expert, to tell how free games earn more then paid, and to invent facts that have nothing to do with gamedev at all. That's what these three people are doing here for two pages, with "likes" each other in a circle

I'm trying to tell to you that I like online games, I do multiplayer events in them, that I want more and more of these features. That multiplayer games just easier to do (for example, how do you fix a bug in one of 60 quests, where each quest consists of dozens of steps, when the player cannot really explain what he did? And I can reproduce bug in one click from cloud). And yes, multiplayer games bring more donation than offline, which helps a lot when there are 5 games in development right away. In the end, as a developer, I can do anything in my games, and the player will decide whether to play it or not. But you only listen to yourself. Hiding behind the tales of justice, you don't really care about other subscribers, or whether the game will be finished or not.

 

[mememeandmyself]

BS is to expose yourself as an expert, to tell how free games earn more then paid, and to invent facts that have nothing to do with gamedev at all. That's what these three people are doing here for two pages, with "likes" each other in a circle

I'm trying to tell to you that I like online games, I do multiplayer events in them, that I want more and more of these features. That multiplayer games just easier to do (for example, how do you fix a bug in one of 60 quests, where each quest consists of dozens of steps, when the player cannot really explain what he did? And I can reproduce bug in one click from cloud). And yes, multiplayer games bring more donation than offline, which helps a lot when there are 5 games in development right away. In the end, as a developer, I can do anything in my games, and the player will decide whether to play it or not. But you only listen to yourself. Hiding behind the tales of justice, you don't really care about other subscribers, or whether the game will be finished or not.

And that's more than commendable from your point of view. You have created a game and it your decision to go with your intended way. More power to you, as a developer you should be able to do whatever you want. I don't mean any disrespect to you or your game. You choices are your own.

But and yes a BIG butt, you release the game on this site and we the users of this site should be able to voice our opinions. They may not be what you want to hear but please take them to heart.

 

[vortexcannon]

And that's more than commendable from your point of view. You have created a game and it your decision to go with your intended way. More power to you, as a developer you should be able to do whatever you want. I don't mean any disrespect to you or your game. You choices are your own.

But and yes a BIG butt, you release the game on this site and we the users of this site should be able to voice our opinions. They may not be what you want to hear but please take them to heart.

Yes, I always agree that not all players love online. And many of them are just due to the fact that they cannot access mods or cheats. I agree with this and reconciled that I'll lose some of the audience. I made my point without offending anyone. But this Spectr came and wrote that the game is "bad", because he can't cheat, that I'm stupid, that "most" players are against my game, and so on. But this is a lie.

 

[mememeandmyself]

Yes, I always agree that not all players love online. And many of them are just due to the fact that they cannot access mods or cheats. I agree with this and reconciled that I'll lose some of the audience. I made my point without offending anyone. But this Spectr came and wrote that the game is "bad", because he can't cheat, that I'm stupid, that "most" players are against my game, and so on. But this is a lie.

Gonna meet you half way there, but the commentary was more subtle than that. And they do have a point. You do seem to be, IMHO, oblivious to the point there are making. If a game is posted on a site like this, people will want to able to mess with it. Just look at our mod section.

Again it is your game but try to keep an open mind when posting your game here. My review of this game should tell you all lot about this community. Just give us a reason to play the game, hint, hint, a offline version. If you would that, maybe we(as in the F95 community) could even help you to expand on your game.

 

[XxLolxX1]

I do "delivering constant quality updates and listen to well argumented feedback from your community". The whole random was removed from the game, alpha points were removed, all key storylines became available regardless of the player's decisions so you can't miss something important. In general, everything that the players asked for is done. Therefore, the players return.

Don't tell me about Witcher, Summertime Saga or EA. We have completely different conditions, we will make different games, and we may like different games as players.

And something else, I'm not "throwing half assed arguments" and not "fucking" anyone here. So if you have something to say, use normal language, please.

When I was talking about games that deliver quality updates I was speaking for the games that work on patreon because I don't know your situation since I haven't played in a while.

Preference has nothing to do with business practices, any game company / indie dev is free to do business as they want ( as long as it's legal of course ) but us, as customers / donors are free to criticize their choices and not support them because of it. Why can't we compare you to other game companies ? How are you so different from them, especially from DarkCookie ? You're both indie devs making an "open world" porn game except that yours uses pictures / videos and he uses art to draw the scenes, sure the story is different but that's it. I'm not saying DarkCookie is better than you or the way around I'm just comparing you to someone that does almost the same thing because you are both competitors ( wether you like it or not ) and as a customer / backer I want to know which one will bring more fun between the two games.

You are throwing empty arguments, I don't see why you don't just explain the reason why you go online-only with an anti-cheat instead of an offline game where we're free to cheat ?

PS : I wasn't saying you were fucking people litterally I was saying you were making the game less enjoyable for the people that are backing you, not the people that weren't because that's what DRM does, DENUVO does the same thing it makes the game less playable and more annoying for the people that pays for it not the people that pirate it and honestly at the end of the day wether someone can pirate your game or not if your game is good then people will support you that's a fact and it's been proven over and over again.

 

[Deleted member 216358]

Yes, I always agree that not all players love online. And many of them are just due to the fact that they cannot access mods or cheats. I agree with this and reconciled that I'll lose some of the audience. I made my point without offending anyone. But this Spectr came and wrote that the game is "bad", because he can't cheat, that I'm stupid, that "most" players are against my game, and so on. But this is a lie.

I wasn't going to post here anymore but I need to clear this up.

Players (not all, but generally speaking) don't like to be unnecessarily restricted when playing games. You do the following which many (not all) players frown at:

• Online only
• Must create an online account to play
• Save game are stored on your server (not local)
• Heavy duty anti-cheat system
• Restricted features, less time to complete things, etc. (Not all of this is bad)
• Not moddable by players

All this for a game that smells, feels, sounds, and looks like a single player game. Players could do nearly everything in the game without the need for an online component. 98% of the game or more plays like a single player game.

All of the above listed items makes many players feel restricted and controlled. Many feel that it was done unnecessarily (not needed). Not everyone but a large portion of this community, just read the reviews. I can't speak for everyone and I never tried to.

Players love to be able to manipulate games, whether it is cheating, modding, or just poking around. All of the restrictions really discourage a lot of players, myself included.

I don't think you are stupid. I'm sure you are very intelligent and probably smarter than I am.

It's not that people are against or hate online games. The issue is that a single player game was turned into an online game with lots of restrictions to go along with it. That is the main issue. It discourages and frustrates a lot of players. Players expect these types of restrictions when playing true multiplayer games such as Battlefront, Rainbow Six, Diablo 3, World of Warcraft, etc. but not with games that smell, feel, sound, and look like a single player game.

I hope this makes sense to you. This is what we have been trying to communicate to you for some time. We are not against you making money off of your games. We don't hate online games that need or have to be online.

If the game is restricted so much that players have to pay in order to really enjoy it, then that crosses the "line of decency" in some people's eyes. Did you cross that line? That is debatable, but it is damn near close. If you really remove the anti-cheat system like you claim, that would certainly be welcome. If the game were moddable by players, it would be even better! F95Zone has a very strong modding community and players love to improve things.

Thank you for the countless hours you have poured into this game!

Thank you for your contributions to the F95Zone community!

 

[vortexcannon]

Last Man 3.01

In the new build has added several small scenes that can appear when you will spending the night in a Dorm. They can be both in the evening and in the morning. This will help diversify your game if you are stayed little bit longer with quests in the third city.

Also, some old scenes received the update. Event, where our hero meets Masha first on the road, and then Oksana, and both girls invite him the next day. Some players missed this point, and did not fulfill the promises given to the girls, or one of them, because of which they lost access to some other events with these girls. Now these girls will not be so categorical, and if you have already earned a good reputation with them before, they will be able to forgive you this fail (but it’s better not to deceive the girls ).

Also, updates received a scene with Vera, after she took our hero to a hidden entrance to a secret cave, and a flashback with Kate, about the past of our hero. These events received changes in actions and additional dialogs.

All these three events received a new, more stable code, and the sex scenes in them got the opportunity to rewind.

Changelog and links to download in first post