correct. its basically gaslighting him into forced NTS and humiliation which would still be NTR. in a real NTS route if you said you didnt like something it should be respected not pushed off as MC just "denying it". him growing to like it later is basically stockholm syndrome cuck style. any confliction especially repeated confliction is not real consent, you are either all in or not. humiliation should always but user optional. i get the dev is telling a real life story but they are already pushing a story change anyways cause it has nts and ntr routes. so if changed once for ntr why not different nts routes. would appeal to more people. if this was just wanting to share a real life story it would be a single route. dev loves it though so they wont change anything, better to find a better nts game. this aint for us. what this needed for warning for the harsh humiliation. maybe a warning that its completely humiliation based. /shrugThe problem is that you have explicit option(s) in the game for the MC to say he doesn't like what is happening. IIRC one of the early chapters is even called "trying to stop it" or something to this effect. As such, it shouldn't be a surprise that people who opt to select such options in the game don't share your personal view of MC being totally into this dynamic.
It's only made worse when other characters in the game (like e.g. the best friend) hear these options which state the dislike and are all like "oh so you aren't sure, huh" which comes both as not listening to the MC and gaslighting him about his own feelings. Same with MC's girlfriend snapping at him when he questions her actions towards Michael (or her calling out his name etc) and shutting him down. That's the stuff which comes across as abusive, especially because the game doesn't really indicate in any manner that MC enjoys such abuse -- people are left free to fill this blank with their own take.
tl;dr: you may think you made things clear a bunch of times during all chapters but this is not the case. While you are operating on internal knowledge about MC's attitude, this is not conveyed in the writing and quite frequently it reads as opposite, especially with player's options to say as much.
Well, the author has mentioned that he'd change the parts which give the wrong impression now. If i'm not mistaken it'd be removal of the "choices" the game doesn't respect now anyway, so you'll get a predefined MC who is actually on board with what is happening. Which i think can help in making the player's experience less controversial.dev loves it though so they wont change anything
should still be harder warnings. its not just some light humiliation after all. especially since the summary suggests he'd add different routes including a love route if people wanted it. clearly untrue. which is fine but zero mention of humiliation in that summary either. im not gonna cry over spilled milk and it wont change anyways but people that dont like it could have totally steered clear if the major elements had been revealed and transparent from the beginning.Well, the author has mentioned that he'd change the parts which give the wrong impression now. If i'm not mistaken it'd be removal of the "choices" the game doesn't respect now anyway, so you'll get a predefined MC who is actually on board with what is happening. Which i think can help in making the player's experience less controversial.
Hi! I'll update everything today in a few hours, thanks for pointing that out.this thread is so confusing. The topic reads it is version 11.1. In the description in the first post it says version 9.1. The current version would be 12.1 ? and as of today 15.1 ?
Yep, I removed the multiple routes that leave to nowhere, totally gone (unless I forgot one, which I can update again). The game was always kinetic anyway. When I started developing this game, I wanted multiple routes, but I ended up not developing them and stick to just one route. Like I said before, I added what I called soft-NTS for those who want this story but would prefer to see it as an NTS. I still want to retroactive add more NTS dialogues for the next big update.Well, the author has mentioned that he'd change the parts which give the wrong impression now. If i'm not mistaken it'd be removal of the "choices" the game doesn't respect now anyway, so you'll get a predefined MC who is actually on board with what is happening. Which i think can help in making the player's experience less controversial.
I'm sorry for misleading you. When I started this game, I had a totally different idea of what I wanted. There were very few people requesting a love route, so I didn't even keep thinking about it after the first version. I will make the necessary changes to the summary and tags, here and on Itch in a couple of hours. Sorry again for this.should still be harder warnings. its not just some light humiliation after all. especially since the summary suggests he'd add different routes including a love route if people wanted it. clearly untrue. which is fine but zero mention of humiliation in that summary either. im not gonna cry over spilled milk and it wont change anyways but people that dont like it could have totally steered clear if the major elements had been revealed and transparent from the beginning.
all you need in the summary is something like big bold letters that the game is "heavy humiliation - unavoidable". and maybe a disclaimer its not 2 way NTS. if shes not truthful with any sex its no longer NTS but NTR cheating with hints of NTS. doesnt matter if the MC knows, she still kept it from him and doesnt know he knows. huge part of nts is trust, most important partOh, and after the changes, if you believe I could make it even more clear with some changes to the summary, please let me know! I would be more than happy to make the appropriate changes.