Lesbian content in Harem games/getting to know the harem playerbase

[Magic Harem]

I like harem games where members of the harem will have sex with other members of the harem, but remain devoted to the MC. Almost like a polycule. Basically they have sex with each other, but love the MC.
Looking forward to what you decide to create!

Thank you! I'll see what I do at the end (my head is a mess right now about that)

 

[c3p0]

I do find Harem games more interesting if they have some "conflict" going on and with different characters and personality. All the "Harem?!", "Give me a few days for it to think about", "Harem" is in my eyes a bit boring if all member accept it.
I don't say the conflicts need to be on the same level as some trash reality TV shows, but characters that aren't perfectly happy and without any problems (or personality) are bland. Give them something that they can grow on and overcome, eg. having difficult in accepting the harem or give them some external challenge.

At least for me, but I agree with others fully and it is up to you what game you make. I just simple often skip through games (or fast read them) that only featured a fuck fest.

 

[Magic Harem]

I do find Harem games more interesting if they have some "conflict" going on and with different characters and personality. All the "Harem?!", "Give me a few days for it to think about", "Harem" is in my eyes a bit boring if all member accept it.
I don't say the conflicts need to be on the same level as some trash reality TV shows, but characters that aren't perfectly happy and without any problems (or personality) are bland. Give them something that they can grow on and overcome, eg. having difficult in accepting the harem or give them some external challenge.

At least for me, but I agree with others fully and it is up to you what game you make. I just simple often skip through games (or fast read them) that only featured a fuck fest.

Development and growth and change are something important to the characters (something difficult with a lot of characters and a story). Talking about conflict, I prefer It to be in the story, not in the harem, is not realistic, but making a harem realistic is difficult, near impossible. But yes, characters shouldn't be bland at all, past traumas and goals are the best to develop characters (and maybe illness to overcome)

 

[Juerhullycin]

I want to take take for them to get a connection, establish the harem relationship with the MC and etc, before adding more characters that will have their own screen time to present and establish themselves in the story and the harem.

i personally see no problem if MC starts with just one or two LIs for start and the rest evolves from there, hell, I'm of the opinion that a dev doesn't even need a sexscene in the first few releases if the story can carry the game.

I really think you are watching the ghost of others developers.

Yes, yes I do. It's called pattern recognition and I'm far to often right then to dismiss my gut feeling.
As far as I'm concerned I lose nothing if I play your game once you finished it without adding shit I hate.
If it's end up great i can play a cool game, if not i saved time better spend on other stuff.
There is no need to supporting a game that smells fishy or a dev that works 50% of the time on stuff i don't like.

if you want to learn more about what harem players want from a game, there is a guide here:
https://f95zone.to/threads/so-you-want-to-make-a-harem-a-helpful-guide-to-the-basics.150068
which is a solid starting point for any harem game.

 

[pemoj]

I'm going to give my opinion on this matter. Personally I'm NTR neutral: I enjoy both good NTR games like The King of Summer and the countless harem games in this forum. So I am not affected, at least initially, by the heated passions that NTR games generate in others. The only thing I ask is to know from the first moment what kind of game I am playing. I don't like to play a supposed harem game and, two years and several updates later, suddenly find out that one of the LI is a prostitute before, during and after having met the main character.

About lesbian sex in a harem game, I personally don't mind it, although I would prefer to avoid it. The more time is spent on this kind of scenes, the less time is spent on what is really important: the MC and his harem. And above all, the main plot, which is what's really important. Lesbian sex in a threesome or more with the MC? Although some people don't like it, I personally accept it. What is not recommended is to develop 100% lesbian sex scenes. The developer wastes time and resources on something that a harem game player would never play. I would never play a lesbian sex game, and for that same reason I would not like to see lesbian sex scenes.

Another thing is what people consider “harem” and “lesbian sex”. This gives for many explanations, which for that reason I prefer not to explain. There are people who consider sex between two women in a threesome with a man lesbian sex, even if for example the man is penetrating a woman while she is eating the pussy of the other woman.

The problem of developing a game with two protagonists and therefore two harems is, in addition to what Juerhullycin has said, everything is duplicated. Normal, because in the end you are not developing one game, but two. Even excellent games like Stormside, with a single protagonist but with three different branches (love, submissive, slave), in the end it is as if you were developing 3 games, and that is very noticeable in the development of the game and the update speed.

Your game reminds me of another game whose name I don't remember (I've played so many...) made using Ren'py and Koikatsu. A brother and sister pair, both main characters, go to a new city, famous for its high sexuality content. Normal, as there are succubi and sex magic in it. While the brother has sex with many women, the sister... too. She becomes a succubus and has sex with both men and women. The developer said that his game was harem. But he commented that the siblings would not have sex, which pissed off incest lovers. And seeing how the sister had sex with random men and women pissed them off even more. I don't know how you are going to develop your game, but I have the feeling that something similar is going to happen to your game.

In short, on the one hand it's your game: develop it as you want. On the other hand, if you want to make a harem game, take into account the opinions of players who only like 100% harem games. And in this kind of games, for this kind of players, lesbian sex is not only superfluous, but it is not part of a harem game.

 

[TonyMurray]

Would you mind your LI having sex with each other?

Not at all.

Would you mind your LI having a romance between them?

Not at all.

Aside from that, what do you like/search for in a harem game?

As much as it can be, I want something that feels sort of natural. To me at least, having a harem where none of the LIs get involved with each other doesn't feel natural. In a harem situation, I feel that they would naturally get close to each other (in time, at least), and in a sexually charged atmosphere, sparks are prone to fly, so even if there isn't a romantic connection, I would probably expect at least some interaction between the LIs. Personally, I think it would be natural, if there were also any feelings involved, for LIs to interact with each other (sexually) whether the MC was involved or not.

One thing that almost always comes up in harem games is threesomes (and moresomes), and to me, it never feels right if there isn't interaction between all parties. It almost feels robotic otherwise, with one (or more) person sitting out waiting their turn, so it's not really a threesome (or moresome) anymore.

 

[Juerhullycin]

Your game reminds me of another game whose name I don't remember (I've played so many...) made using Ren'py and Koikatsu. A brother and sister pair, both main characters, go to a new city, famous for its high sexuality content. Normal, as there are succubi and sex magic in it. While the brother has sex with many women, the sister... too. She becomes a succubus and has sex with both men and women. The developer said that his game was harem. But he commented that the siblings would not have sex, which pissed off incest lovers. And seeing how the sister had sex with random men and women pissed them off even more. I don't know how you are going to develop your game, but I have the feeling that something similar is going to happen to your game.

I never played that game for obvious reasons but i remember the absolute clusterfuck the threat was. The comparison is apt and sums up pretty well what i see in the future of the game, our fledgling dev has planed.

 

[Magic Harem]

I'm going to give my opinion on this matter. Personally I'm NTR neutral: I enjoy both good NTR games like The King of Summer and the countless harem games in this forum. So I am not affected, at least initially, by the heated passions that NTR games generate in others. The only thing I ask is to know from the first moment what kind of game I am playing. I don't like to play a supposed harem game and, two years and several updates later, suddenly find out that one of the LI is a prostitute before, during and after having met the main character.

About lesbian sex in a harem game, I personally don't mind it, although I would prefer to avoid it. The more time is spent on this kind of scenes, the less time is spent on what is really important: the MC and his harem. And above all, the main plot, which is what's really important. Lesbian sex in a threesome or more with the MC? Although some people don't like it, I personally accept it. What is not recommended is to develop 100% lesbian sex scenes. The developer wastes time and resources on something that a harem game player would never play. I would never play a lesbian sex game, and for that same reason I would not like to see lesbian sex scenes.

Another thing is what people consider “harem” and “lesbian sex”. This gives for many explanations, which for that reason I prefer not to explain. There are people who consider sex between two women in a threesome with a man lesbian sex, even if for example the man is penetrating a woman while she is eating the pussy of the other woman.

The problem of developing a game with two protagonists and therefore two harems is, in addition to what Juerhullycin has said, everything is duplicated. Normal, because in the end you are not developing one game, but two. Even excellent games like Stormside, with a single protagonist but with three different branches (love, submissive, slave), in the end it is as if you were developing 3 games, and that is very noticeable in the development of the game and the update speed.

Your game reminds me of another game whose name I don't remember (I've played so many...) made using Ren'py and Koikatsu. A brother and sister pair, both main characters, go to a new city, famous for its high sexuality content. Normal, as there are succubi and sex magic in it. While the brother has sex with many women, the sister... too. She becomes a succubus and has sex with both men and women. The developer said that his game was harem. But he commented that the siblings would not have sex, which pissed off incest lovers. And seeing how the sister had sex with random men and women pissed them off even more. I don't know how you are going to develop your game, but I have the feeling that something similar is going to happen to your game.

In short, on the one hand it's your game: develop it as you want. On the other hand, if you want to make a harem game, take into account the opinions of players who only like 100% harem games. And in this kind of games, for this kind of players, lesbian sex is not only superfluous, but it is not part of a harem game.

That is good advice. Yeah, I have to be prepared for the threat. I appreciate the warning, I really do.

About the other developer, my game is harem, a normal harem (but with some fantasy characters). The problem I can see is that some people really dislike lesbian content, so, probably I'll make something to skip that, I can't do more (because I have a 100% lesbian harem as well). I'll try to be clear about the two harems that are completely a part (and the protagonist are NOT related by blood). I need to specify that. Is not going to be obvious when the people will see the physical differences or it's not gonna be enough?.

The only thing that could be a problem would be lesbian sex and/or threesomes in the male harem. Some people likte it, some don't. I'll have to decide exactly what's gonna have about it and be clear, I get that and I thank you for making me understand that (as long with more people's advice).

 

[Magic Harem]

i personally see no problem if MC starts with just one or two LIs for start and the rest evolves from there, hell, I'm of the opinion that a dev doesn't even need a sexscene in the first few releases if the story can carry the game.


Yes, yes I do. It's called pattern recognition and I'm far to often right then to dismiss my gut feeling.
As far as I'm concerned I lose nothing if I play your game once you finished it without adding shit I hate.
If it's end up great i can play a cool game, if not i saved time better spend on other stuff.
There is no need to supporting a game that smells fishy or a dev that works 50% of the time on stuff i don't like.

if you want to learn more about what harem players want from a game, there is a guide here:
https://f95zone.to/threads/so-you-want-to-make-a-harem-a-helpful-guide-to-the-basics.150068
which is a solid starting point for any harem game.

"As far as I'm concerned I lose nothing if I play your game once you finished it without adding shit I hate."
No, you don't, that's fine.

Yeah, I was already reading that threat, is very good, he has very good and interesting points that I'll follow, although the threat is not about rules but a guide.

 

[MaskedAcc]

If you are willing to make a harem game where the girls in a harem have sex with each other, I am going to say that you should, if only because that isn't common and God knows this website needs more variety.

 

[Juerhullycin]

if only because that isn't common

 

[Magic Harem]

If you are willing to make a harem game where the girls in a harem have sex with each other, I am going to say that you should, if only because that isn't common and God knows this website needs more variety.

I am gonna be totally honest. Some girls will have a relationship that could be about friendship or romance, some are not compatible that way between them, but certain sub romance can be there, I can make that, the situation allows me so.

But I don't know if I will. Some people don't like it, some people will HATE it, and others will like that a lot.

So, I need to decide what to do and be clear.

You are a members since quite a long time, tell me please sincerely what you think and have seen because I am new, as you can see, total noob, a newbe.

 

[Juerhullycin]

I can't do more (because I have a 100% lesbian harem as well). I'll try to be clear about the two harems that are completely a part (and the protagonist are NOT related by blood). I need to specify that. Is not going to be obvious when the people will see the physical differences or it's not gonna be enough?.

even if you dont want to hear it the problem is that the second harem exists in the first place.

 

[MaskedAcc]

I am gonna be totally honest. Some girls will have a relationship that could be about friendship or romance, some are not compatible that way between them, but certain sub romance can be there, I can make that, the situation allows me so.

But I don't know if I will. Some people don't like it, some people will HATE it, and others will like that a lot.

So, I need to decide what to do and be clear.

You are a members since quite a long time, tell me please sincerely what you think and have seen because I am new, as you can see, total noob, a newbe.

The reason why we need more variety here is the people who will HATE it and loudly complain whenever a game isn't pandering to them specifically. Be confident in whatever you want to make and ignore the opinions of the reactionary gooners.

 

[Juerhullycin]

opinions of the reactionary gooners.

says the dude advocating for more lesbian fetish sex on a porn piracy site. so what are you a progressive gooner?

 

[Magic Harem]

even if you dont want to hear it the problem is that the second harem exists in the first place.

For some people, but I want to do it. The story has two sides, as is intended.

Maybe I need to play those games that have more protagonist to see it fully. I'll try that and do research about it, Is allways a good idea.

Do you have names of games that have multiple protagonist and/or stuff you don't like? (about this matter)

 

[Magic Harem]

The reason why we need more variety here is the people who will HATE it and loudly complain whenever a game isn't pandering to them specifically. Be confident in whatever you want to make and ignore the opinions of the reactionary gooners.

A really good comment, thank you. Making games isn't easy, moreover with this kind of situations. I know now that I need to be clear of what I offer (and search how many people who don't like lesbian content would play it with a patch or something). I am still trying to understand the community, compatible fetish and etc.

Thanks a lot for your comment.

 

[pemoj]

Oh, and speaking of shitstorms and lesbian sex, I still remember one of the biggest shitstorms I've seen in this forum. This game has nothing to do with yours, but it is certainly a good example of how NOT to develop a harem game with lesbian sex.

 

[Juerhullycin]

https://f95zone.to/threads/worlds-of-wonders-v0-2-23-its-danny.85358
this is also a great example for a Harem game with multi protag and two "different" harems
if you have popcorn and nothing else to do its worth a read ^^

 

[Ennoch]

Would you mind your LI having sex with each other?

No.

Would you mind your LI having a romance between them?

In short, no. Longer answer is: a bit of a thin ice. There is a fine line in that case who gets to be the third wheel. Normally, in an ideal world, nobody would because it would be a 3-way polyamory romance but this is harder to pull off than one might think so in a way that would make it feel harmoniously equal.

Plus one thing to keep in mind i can assure you this will result in a constant NTR war.

Aside from that, what do you like/search for in a harem game?

Lots of porn with various girls.