Lesbian content in Harem games/getting to know the harem playerbase

Magic Harem

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No.

In short, no. Longer answer is: a bit of a thin ice. There is a fine line in that case who gets to be the third wheel. Normally, in an ideal world, nobody would because it would be a 3-way polyamory romance but this is harder to pull off than one might think so in a way that would make it feel harmoniously equal.

Plus one thing to keep in mind i can assure you this will result in a constant NTR war.

Lots of porn with various girls.
Noted down, overall the last part!

In a harem game if the MC is the center a sub romance trama wouldn't be bad as long the MC is still the main love interest of the girls. At least is what I think, but it depens, as you said, thin ice.
 

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Adding my two cents here! I thought about this a lot before starting to write the game I'm currently developing, and my conclusion is: It’s all about how you do it.

My game is also a harem game, and when creating the LIs, their personalities, and roles in the world, it just made sense that some of them would be bisexual or at least bicurious. It wasn’t something I tried to force in, it just fits their place in the story.

Personally, I'm neutral on lesbian content, and sometimes enjoy it when it's done right. So I'd make sure that any lesbian content in my game serves a purpose rather than just being a fetish. It needs to feel natural. Before thinking about the lesbian sex itself, I thought of how I'm presenting the bisexual/lesbian characters to the players. What are their traits? Their role? Their struggles? The goal should be to make the player care about them first. (Unless your game is a fuckfest where players just skip to the sex, in that case romance doesn't matter. lol)

That said, one important thing to keep in mind is that harem players usually see themselves as the MC, since the story is told from their point of view. If two or more LIs are having fun without them, it can feel like they don’t matter there. Because of that, I personally would only include lesbian content during threesomes or group scenes where the MC IS the focus. (Since your game will have multiple MCs, that might be harder to achieve.)

Here's an example for a subplot in my game:
  • The MC needs the help of LI(A) and LI(B) to overcome a problem.
  • Both LIs are bisexual but also rivals. They each try to pull the MC to their side, but eventually, they realize they need to work together.
  • Through their fights (and with the MC’s involvement), they start to open up to each other and maybe even develop attraction.
  • After solving the problem, it will lead to a threesome scene.

But again, it's just how I believe lesbian content should be done in a harem AVN. I'm just developing my first actual project, so I guess we'll see if people like that approach or not. :unsure:
 

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I am making a Harem game, and I would like to know the playerbase.
They're generally the most sexually insecure fanbase around (or at least, the vocal ones are). Seemingly few would brook any perceived challenge to their self-insert's sexual primacy.


Would you mind your LI having sex with each other?
Depends. Can you write a worthwhile story where these two characters organically explore their feelings and desires for each other? Monogamy, harem, or swinging polycule; none of these are required features or black marks. I'm interested in experiencing interesting characters, and if you can do that in the context of two ladies who are a part of a shared harem, then so be it.


Would you mind your LI having a romance between them?
Depends, see above.


A lot of you have strong opinions about it, and I would like to know them.
You sure about that chief? Typically, any perceived deviation from 'the entire world revolves around my cock, and my cock alone' is received with a lot of whinging. Again, see above.


Aside from that, what do you like/search for in a harem game?

Any suggestions are also welcome!
Make the game you want to make. Be authentic. If you want to make content that involves ladies exploring their desires for each other, then go for it. Making content you don't enjoy is the quickest way to lose an audience, because the people who do like that content will pick up if you're being inauthentic. But if you're only interested in cynically pandering to the most common denominator, then just put up a poll and be done with it.
 

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Having to balance the harem fans, the lesbian fan, the ntr fan...

yeah, make the game you want, people that like it will like it people that don't won't.
just don't make a game with 256 route that's you'll never finish or nobody will be happy, especially you.

personally i'm thinking about making a game that explore the concept of polyamory and i'm pretty sure im about piss everyone off.:cool:
 

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Adding my two cents here! I thought about this a lot before starting to write the game I'm currently developing, and my conclusion is: It’s all about how you do it.

My game is also a harem game, and when creating the LIs, their personalities, and roles in the world, it just made sense that some of them would be bisexual or at least bicurious. It wasn’t something I tried to force in, it just fits their place in the story.

Personally, I'm neutral on lesbian content, and sometimes enjoy it when it's done right. So I'd make sure that any lesbian content in my game serves a purpose rather than just being a fetish. It needs to feel natural. Before thinking about the lesbian sex itself, I thought of how I'm presenting the bisexual/lesbian characters to the players. What are their traits? Their role? Their struggles? The goal should be to make the player care about them first. (Unless your game is a fuckfest where players just skip to the sex, in that case romance doesn't matter. lol)

That said, one important thing to keep in mind is that harem players usually see themselves as the MC, since the story is told from their point of view. If two or more LIs are having fun without them, it can feel like they don’t matter there. Because of that, I personally would only include lesbian content during threesomes or group scenes where the MC IS the focus. (Since your game will have multiple MCs, that might be harder to achieve.)

Here's an example for a subplot in my game:
  • The MC needs the help of LI(A) and LI(B) to overcome a problem.
  • Both LIs are bisexual but also rivals. They each try to pull the MC to their side, but eventually, they realize they need to work together.
  • Through their fights (and with the MC’s involvement), they start to open up to each other and maybe even develop attraction.
  • After solving the problem, it will lead to a threesome scene.

But again, it's just how I believe lesbian content should be done in a harem AVN. I'm just developing my first actual project, so I guess we'll see if people like that approach or not. :unsure:
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Magic Harem

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Having to balance the harem fans, the lesbian fan, the ntr fan...

yeah, make the game you want, people that like it will like it people that don't won't.
just don't make a game with 256 route that's you'll never finish or nobody will be happy, especially you.

personally i'm thinking about making a game that explore the concept of polyamory and i'm pretty sure im about piss everyone off.:cool:
There will be no ntr.

Okay, I'll follow that.

Ping me when you get something about it, sounds cool
 

Magic Harem

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Adding my two cents here! I thought about this a lot before starting to write the game I'm currently developing, and my conclusion is: It’s all about how you do it.

My game is also a harem game, and when creating the LIs, their personalities, and roles in the world, it just made sense that some of them would be bisexual or at least bicurious. It wasn’t something I tried to force in, it just fits their place in the story.

Personally, I'm neutral on lesbian content, and sometimes enjoy it when it's done right. So I'd make sure that any lesbian content in my game serves a purpose rather than just being a fetish. It needs to feel natural. Before thinking about the lesbian sex itself, I thought of how I'm presenting the bisexual/lesbian characters to the players. What are their traits? Their role? Their struggles? The goal should be to make the player care about them first. (Unless your game is a fuckfest where players just skip to the sex, in that case romance doesn't matter. lol)

That said, one important thing to keep in mind is that harem players usually see themselves as the MC, since the story is told from their point of view. If two or more LIs are having fun without them, it can feel like they don’t matter there. Because of that, I personally would only include lesbian content during threesomes or group scenes where the MC IS the focus. (Since your game will have multiple MCs, that might be harder to achieve.)

Here's an example for a subplot in my game:
  • The MC needs the help of LI(A) and LI(B) to overcome a problem.
  • Both LIs are bisexual but also rivals. They each try to pull the MC to their side, but eventually, they realize they need to work together.
  • Through their fights (and with the MC’s involvement), they start to open up to each other and maybe even develop attraction.
  • After solving the problem, it will lead to a threesome scene.

But again, it's just how I believe lesbian content should be done in a harem AVN. I'm just developing my first actual project, so I guess we'll see if people like that approach or not. :unsure:
That's a good point of view to consider. Yeah, not forced stuff in general, is something important to remember.

Some people will like your aproach and others won't, as said here, make the game you wanna do/play.

Lesbian content only in threesomes is a good solution, mostly to not loose the focus on the MC, some games don't do that and it feels disconected.

I would like to see your game, ping me when you create a post about it or something, good luck : P
 
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wiseold6996

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That is good advice. Yeah, I have to be prepared for the threat. I appreciate the warning, I really do.

About the other developer, my game is harem, a normal harem (but with some fantasy characters). The problem I can see is that some people really dislike lesbian content, so, probably I'll make something to skip that, I can't do more (because I have a 100% lesbian harem as well). I'll try to be clear about the two harems that are completely a part (and the protagonist are NOT related by blood). I need to specify that. Is not going to be obvious when the people will see the physical differences or it's not gonna be enough?.

The only thing that could be a problem would be lesbian sex and/or threesomes in the male harem. Some people likte it, some don't. I'll have to decide exactly what's gonna have about it and be clear, I get that and I thank you for making me understand that (as long with more people's advice).
It seems like you are writing two different games in a single one.
 

Magic Harem

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It seems like you are writing two different games in a single one.
Maybe it is like that (but I want it that way). The first harem can work by his own but would lack something and the second one is good but would need a lot more to work alone.
 

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Maybe it is like that (but I want it that way). The first harem can work by his own but would lack something and the second one is good but would need a lot more to work alone.
Hmm then the main problem you are going to face is the content. The male protagonist would want their side get more content and female protagonist fans would demand the opposite.
 
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Magic Harem

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Hmm then the main problem you are going to face is the content. The male protagonist would want their side get more content and female protagonist fans would demand the opposite.
You think? I see the first harem as the main and the other more like a compliment, is not as big in many senses. I like to think about it as a way to rest a bit from the first harem style/dates/etc. It's less boring this way.

When I release the first version I'll see what the overall of players says. I don't think there will be a lot of main fans of the girl side, the first harem is gonna have more content so I think people (outside F95) would like it.
 

obibobi

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If you want to know how mindset works for the typical guy when it comes to these things, just look at manga's and anime's, they've been making this crap for decades. They know exactly what they are doing, they mastered harems.

The pervert lesbian is a common enough trope because the readers don't mind if one of the harem or main love interest is felt up by another girl.

Your audience are the skellies here.

 

Magic Harem

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If you want to know how mindset works for the typical guy when it comes to these things, just look at manga's and anime's, they've been making this crap for decades. They know exactly what they are doing, they mastered harems.

The pervert lesbian is a common enough trope because the readers don't mind if one of the harem or main love interest is felt up by another girl.

Your audience are the skellies here.

Yeah, most guys doesn't mind but I see there is a niche that hates this.

oh, you are right, a lot of people that watch anime/manga plays AVNs and almost all enjoy lesbian content.
 
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Would you mind your LI having sex with each other?
yes.
Would you mind your LI having a romance between them?
absolutely yes I would, fuck that.
Aside from that, what do you like/search for in a harem game?
I dont play harems to see others fuck. I play them because I can get most of the content in a single playthrough of the mc doing the fucking.
and thats what I am doing in my game.

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on the two protagonists thing. its the only thing I agree with most here. it doesnt work. I wont elaborate, most have said the problems already. its not only a red flag, but it brings more problems than it solves. it would be better to just make two separate games than try to combine them.


my only advise is this. if you want to add that in your polyamory game, treat it the way Grandma's House treats it. the girls are straight, and if during the sex scene you want them to interact, give the player the option to ALLOW it or NOT.
but whatever you do, dont just ask ( which is not wrong) but search the threads ( as you obviously have)

Yeah, I was already reading that threat, is very good, he has very good and interesting points that I'll follow, although the threat is not about rules but a guide.
that thread is harem players telling harem developers EXACTLY what they want from a harem game. it couldnt be clearer than that.
you will either treat it as such or try to cherry pick and see the same people who told you exactly what they want, just dropping your game.
its up to you.


edit: by the way, about This Game someone mentioned.. the dev of that game to my knowledge plans to remove all lesbian/polyamory content from the game. just let that sink in when another birdbrain says anything about "vocal minority"
 

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I am making a Harem game, and I would like to know the playerbase.

Would you mind your LI having sex with each other?
Yes, very much so.

Would you mind your LI having a romance between them?
Yes, very much so.

In both cases, you're not longer making a harem but a polyamorous relationship, regardless of the tag rules.

Harems are focused on one individual who head up the harem, they are there for him. Just because you're making an adult vn, doesn't mean everything needs to be porn-brained or revolve around sex.
 
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Harems are focused on one individual who head up the harem, they are there for him. Just because you're making an adult vn, doesn't mean everything needs to be porn-brained or revolve around sex.
Sorry, I couldn't follow.:sneaky:;) You saying, a harem game that centered around one person having sex with multiple others aren't need to be porn-brained or resolved around sex?o_O
No need to answer, but couldn't help mysefl for the chuckle. And of course don't mean any bad blood with it.
 
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I think, you shouldn't focus too much on the harem-crowd. They are surely quite big, but you probably won't catch them with what you make, as they have some very special interest and parts of your game won't address this.

But if you're able to create an interesting story and add some good images/animations to them, you might create a very good game, that includes some harem-elements and catches its own audience. But better don't advertise it as a harem-game. This will bring you probably more problems than fame.

A good example for a game with male and female protagonist is by the way:

https://f95zone.to/threads/our-red-string-ch-13-3-1-alpha-eva-kiss.48813/

But that's definitely not a harem game.

You also might look at Sex-Bot:

https://f95zone.to/threads/sexbot-v1-6-final-llamamann-games.76954/

Neither a Harem-Game nor a Multiprotagonist game, but a good example for a lewd game where the MC competes against another person.
 
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I think, you shouldn't focus too much on the harem-crowd. They are surely quite big, but you probably won't catch them with what you make, as they have some very special interest and parts of your game won't address this.

But if you're able to create an interesting story and add some good images/animations to them, you might create a very good game, that includes some harem-elements and catches its own audience. But better don't advertise it as a harem-game. This will bring you probably more problems than fame.

A good example for a game with male and female protagonist is by the way:

https://f95zone.to/threads/our-red-string-ch-13-3-1-alpha-eva-kiss.48813/

But that's definitely not a harem game.

You also might look at Sex-Bot:

https://f95zone.to/threads/sexbot-v1-6-final-llamamann-games.76954/

Neither a Harem-Game nor a Multiprotagonist game, but a good example for a lewd game where the MC competes against another person.
Thank you, that's a very good critic. I didn't know all this before entering the NSFW videogame development. I am still confused, "Harem hotel" isn't a harem game by these standarts and is a succes, even advertised as such.

So, do you suggest to not put the "harem" tag? (I still don't know if is going to be harem or some girls are gonna have relationships between them).

I'll check both games, thank you again : P
 

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Thank you, that's a very good critic. I didn't know all this before entering the NSFW videogame development. I am still confused, "Harem hotel" isn't a harem game by these standarts and is a succes, even advertised as such.

So, do you suggest to not put the "harem" tag? (I still don't know if is going to be harem or some girls are gonna have relationships between them).

I'll check both games, thank you again : P
If someone thinks, your game is a harem game and the stuff thinks so as well, your game will automatically get the Harem-Tag, no matter what you deem it yourself. And if you start ver. 0.1 with only two LIs, your game will probably not get the Harem-Tag as there is still no harem.

BTW: Afaik Harem Hotel started as kind of a Hotel-Management-Harem-Game. But there is quite some time gone by since it started and the focus of the game especially in the later content changed a lot to a more story-oriented game, but most of the fans of the game seemingly like it as it is.
 
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