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Lesbian content in Harem games/getting to know the harem playerbase
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chainedpanda
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Both the original poster, and your reply are flawed approaches.
Porn is still a useful metric for determining general trends and interests. The biggest example of crossover is incest. Back around 2017, incest was THE tag. If a game didn't have it, it was destined for mediocrity. It was basically the reverse NTR, where instead of everyone bitching that it exists, they were complaining that it didn't exist. At that same time, the incest genre in porn had grown dramatically in that industry. It was before algorithms became as sophisticated as they are today, and any site you went to would blast you with the most popular videos rather than recommended feeds, and it was always incest that absolutely dominated the industry. It was also that period that spawned the 'step-bro' memes.
However, porn isn't the only useful metric. Adult games have always had a close connection with Japan, hentai, anime and H-games. That connection isn't as strong today, but the crossover is still there. Several years ago, there was a very brief period where NTR was starting to come up, some became popular, and a couple even randomly added it into their games to follow that trend. It was this same period which sparked the NTR-hate trend. Yet, at the same time, the 'old bastard' genre also has a short popularity spike. Similar to adult games, both were a fad that shortly fizzled out.
If we use both Japan and Western porn as our benchmarks to rate the popularity of lesbian content, there is a contradiction. While lesbian is popular in the west, it's never been so in Japan. While I'm sure Yuri has some popularity in the West, I've never seen anything to suggest that it's substantial.
With all that said, this community has matured. We no longer need to rely on either of those industries, but it would be stupid to assume there is no correlation at all. However, as a community we have created our own culture, and established our own trends. If you want to be successful as a developer in this community, the trends we set should take priority, but it shouldn't be the only factor. After all, the next game released could be the one to create the next new trend.
But, I do agree with the fact that it's only a vocal minority whose against lesbian. However, there has never been a vocal group in support of lesbian. Therefore, we can assume that the majority of people are moderate. If it exists, that's fine, if it doesn't, that's also fine. What's more, I can't think of a single lesbian-focused game that has gained any significant amount of popularity, but there are plenty of examples of games with lesbian content that has. This further suggests that there isn't a huge demand for lesbian content, but instead it's just treated as 'fine'. Basically, it's largely treated as just another generic tag like 'anal' for the majority.
Therefore, I do believe that the phrase 'make the game you want to make' still holds credibility for this issue. While there is a vocal minority opposed to it, myself included, it should come down to the developer rather or not they want it included. In some sense, it makes sense to placate us since we're the only ones asking for something. However, since the majority don't care, a developer could decide to ignore us in order to have more variety of scenes.
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nah its really isnt, if you dont want to make a fuckfest or NTR Game. If we Wank to Porn we do it to get a load out, we dont create an emotional connection to the whore that gets spitroasted by two dudes and captured on camera. We also want a bit more from the plot than Pizza delivery guy gets paid with sex because the Milf has not enough change at home.
Man there is shit I'm absolutely fine with if it happens in a hentai manga or porn but if an LI would act like that i would block that game and the Dev too. Different story telling Media need a different approach to the story they tell. I Love the LoTR Books and I also Love the Peter Jackson movies but they aren't the same. They made changes and stuff got cut, but it's still a faithful and loving adaptation of the Books. You cant just copy stuff one to one and hope it works.
In comparison you find devs that steal stories and just add pictures to it to make their "own" game. You can always tell they did it because they just rip the story and don't adapt it. So you have passages where they in detail explain how everything looks and shit like that.
Also stuff that happens to the Protagonist in a book, or random people in a video and what happens to you in a game are very very different. Yes not every player self inserts but the Majority of romance and Harem players do, which makes porn a really bad starting point to see whats okay in your game.
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You took the topic, and expanded the scope in order to fit your narrative. I never said we should copy stories from porn. The original poster never mentioned plot, the person I replied to didn't mention plot, neither did I. While other people are discussing plots and conflicts in this post, the comment thread your joining has nothing to do with plot. Even the part of my comment that you quoted, you would have to really dig deep in order to assume I'm discussing plots.
I stated that we can use porn to track trends. Which is 100% true, and is not something you attempted to argue against. This is something every industry does, regardless of mediums. Video games and movies are very different mediums, but both clearly follow trends from one another. Oblivion completely retconed lore in order to make their province similar to traditional fantasy, why? Because Lord of the Rings was popular. Hollywood has been pumping out multiple video game adaptations every year. Anime and comic books are adding more video game-like elements to their settings and stories. Why? Because video games are popular.
It doesn't matter if the storytelling medium is different. The point of the matter is that popular trends between similar mediums (video games and movies = entertainment, porn, hentai and AVNs = adult content) often have relations to one another. The cross over between adult games and porn is no different.
When you watch porn, you only want a simple wank and nothing more. The plot is completely irrelevant to the purpose of the medium. The only thing that matters is the content of the porn. Do the girls meet your standard? Does the genre match your interest? But in adult games, there are many more variables. Does the art meet your standard? Do the tags match your interest? Does the story interest you? Is there gameplay that you find enjoyable? etc.
But did you notice the two points that lined up yet?
Porn = Do the girls meet your standard, Does the genre match your interest?
AVN = Does the art meet your standard, Does the tags match your interest?
If you haven't realized it yet, girls is substituted by art since it's a different medium. Genre gets substituted by tags, because it's a different medium. However, at the end of the day both things, regardless of medium, fundamentally mean the same thing. Do you find what your seeing attractive, and is this the type of kink your interested in?
At the end of the day, I have no idea why we're even arguing this point. Plot never had anything to do with this discussion. It was never a major point of this thread, nor was it ever any part of the comment thread we were discussing. If you didn't actively edit out most of my comment, I would have assumed that you were accidentally replying to the wrong thread/person.
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yeah and those two aren't compareable because the medium is not comparable. Girl=art isn't comparable. And genre and tags dont match because i want different things from different media, so now what?
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Oh, my bad. You're 100% correct. I completely forgot the most important facts! We don't care about fetishes in this medium, therefore it could never be comparable. In porn, there are genre's that a person likes, but there are others people find disgusting. That never happens in adult games! I've never seen a single person love or hate a game based on a very specific tag. Nope. That would be impossible.
I also forgot that common tags and genres like BDSM and interracial have completely different meanings between the two mediums. There is absolutely no correlation at all between people who love incest games, but also enjoy incest porn. In fact, I suspect it's the opposite. I suspect that people who enjoy masturbation scenes in games find real women masturbating completely disgusting. And honestly, who could blame them?
I don't know why I didn't see that before! It makes total sense! Just like how people who love Lord of the Rings despises games like Dungeons and Dragons or the Elder Scrolls! Thank you o' wise one, you have enlightened me to a higher state of being. I will no longer consider adult games as a form of adult entertainment like those vile other mediums, nay, for adult games is art! A literal blessing provided to use by God!
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Juerhullycin
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you can compare apples to oranges all you want but at the end of the day it will get you nowhere.
top fetish in the US for the first quarter of 2025 is Giantess and fucking vore where are all the giantess games that make top dollar? Maybe tell him to make bank on the rise of the interest in sexualised cannibalism? 50% of people asked said they are interested in foot fetish sure as hell those games rock the top off the charts.
Or maybe the interests in porn and AVN don't fucking align.
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Nah man, why you still arguing? I agreed with you completely. It would be absurd if someone compared apples to oranges. The idea of using them as a metric to determine fruit sales would be absolutely ridiculous. I mean, it would be so stupid right? Apples are yellow and oranges aren't! They're obviously not the same thing in anyway lol. I don't even know why you thought it was necessary to state such an obvious fact.
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so were are all the vore games your projection promised us?
That's precisly part of the drama and fun of a harem.
If you are the King of a harem, it is your duty to manage your kingdom, otherwise it's not much of a kingdom.
Personally to me it's not a real harem game unless there is interactions and relationships between the members.
But I also don't believe/like in Full Lesbianism, to me they still need the dick.
There is also all kind of fun things you can do like Domination/Submission and Rivalry between each other.
Are you refering to the research of clips4sale? That was the only thing I could find in this regard. They are actually a website which rather sells "niche"- kink and fetish-porn, not mainstream porn. And what they probably actually do is showing what people search on their own website, what might still be very different from what people looking for porn search in general.
A bit more meaningful could be to look at the yearly statistics provided by Pornhub, see here:
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. For Categories, searched worldwide: Milf, Anal, Japanese and Lesbian make the top 4 and for search terms (worldwide): Hentai, MILF, Pinay and Lesbian.But it is still a matter of interpretation (e.g. when all people who search for (step) mom/dad/sister/brother would be summarized to the term (step) incest), search for (step) incest would probably also be in the top ten (at least step mom is currently on 11) ...
I personally think, there is a certain overlap between the porn-audience and game-audience. E.g. there are probably in both groups a certain amount of people who prefer to see big breasted girls. And role-play that sells well in porn can also be very successful in games (incest, teacher-student,...).
The main difference is, that AVN can and do provide many things that go beyond what porn currently provides and can provide, be it regarding interactivity, story-telling, creating immersive fantasy-scenarios,... So people who value those will rather come and look for AVNs than watching porn.
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The movies this January, February and March from Disney didn't include porn.
Thus the only logical explanation to this is that the motion picture format doesn't support porn. The market for it clearly isn't there.
Now that my superior logic beat all of you no doubt about it as it is clear for everyone to see i expect headpats from like-minded attack helicopters! Thankyou.
Thus the only logical explanation to this is that the motion picture format doesn't support porn. The market for it clearly isn't there.
Now that my superior logic beat all of you no doubt about it as it is clear for everyone to see i expect headpats from like-minded attack helicopters! Thankyou.
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I greatly respect your insight, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I always thought that people highly sexualized Disney characters, but thanks to your reminder, I have risen to a new realm of thought.
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Well, I have decided that the girls of the heterosexual group won't have a loving/sexual relationship between them, but they will have optional lesbian stuff in the trios.
In the other hand, there is a lesbian harem with both things, huge romantical, and sexual stuff.
Anyway, I see you are a man of culture, cool : P
Yes and yes, and I'd go so far as to say it's an important element for me.
The harem that turns into the cult of the MC, where he's some kind of guru who decides that he's the one to fuck and no one else, well, that's not good. I think of the harem more as polyamory.
That usually requires a small harem. Too many girls and it becomes a succession of meetings, dates and fucks, a kind of endless dating sim, where you go from one girl to the next without the harem really existing.
I'd say 5 girls maximum. Once the harem is set up, there's nothing to stop the MC and one or two of his girlfriends from meeting girls for little extras outside the harem. You need a small group that forms the harem (the MC and a few girls) and that acts together, i.e. once the group is formed, the MC doesn't go off alone on an adventure or to pick up girls in a bar, he has at least one girl from the harem with him.
Otherwise, it's more like a succession of conquests than a group linked by sex and/or feelings.
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I don't like lesbian sex, so the second harem isn't something I'm going to love.
On the other hand, I like to play immersive, so I'm going to identify with the male MC (not the female one). The male MC's sex life interests me, while the female MC's sex life doesn't.