Recommending Lesbian Protagonist Games List (My Version)

[yacky91]

Forced sex is just annoying, specially when at one point you can choose your main LI.

 

[exjoker \SX]

I'm not good at abstract conclusion. Maybe I'll give some concrete examples for explanation.



Pic 1. is what I consider a really typical case for shit labeling. We see two chicks scissoring, and then, two men pop in. And you know what happens next.
Such is labeled as yuri? For me, I'm not satisfied anyway. This is not yuri/lesbian at all! Yeah, and as if the writer knows what I concern, he labels another tag: bisexual.
This case is also interestingly unique, because it has "male: bisexual" and "yaoi" and the same time! My principle stays consistent: such should not even have a "yaoi" at all(in my POV)!
But the tagging system just...... I don't, confused? Or?

 

[yacky91]

I'm not good at abstract conclusion. Maybe I'll give some concrete examples for explanation.

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Pic 1. is what I consider a really typical case for shit labeling. We see two chicks scissoring, and then, two men pop in. And you know what happens next.
Such is labeled as yuri? For me, I'm not satisfied anyway. This is not yuri/lesbian at all! Yeah, and as if the writer knows what I concern, he label another tag: bisexual.
This case is also interestingly unique, because it has "male: bisexual" and "yaoi" and the same time! My principle stays consistent: such should not even have a "yaoi" at all(in my POV)!
But the tagging system just...... I don't, confused? Or?

I believe I said it before somewhere, but I feel those tags are used mostly as warning

 

[exjoker \SX]

Example 2 comes from one of the games from F95.

This game just got uploaded, and I found it under the tag "lesbian".
By only giving a glance, I immediately know that this definitely has minor particles to do with "lesbian". It really just has nothing to with lesbian even if there IS several scenes of two girls either masturbating one another or sharing sex toys.

And whenever seeing these games, a question just floats around my mind: Should this be labeled with "lesbian". What were they thinking when putting tags?

And that's where my question arise: if you agree with this tagged "lesbian", please tell me why. You definitely have reasons for it being right!

 

[exjoker \SX]

What "can be" regarded as a yuri/lesbian, someone's gonna ask. Well, I have an example, though quite controversial.

This manga is tagged with yuri and female only. The whole plot is focused on two chicks having sex. If I only see the scene, I'm already content.
But after seeing dialogues, I am quite complicated:

In short, this doujin is about a newboo succubus wanting to learn how to please men she's going to serve in future. A senpai succubus is here for teaching her kohai girl by offering lesbian sex.

Technically, this is a yuri/lesbian plot-- no men ever involved. But men live in lines! If speaking of tagging, I agree with putting this to yuri/lesbian category. But I would not recommend this if some of my friends ask for yuri hentai-- they'd mind details mentioned above.

 

[HanakoXVN]

...when looking up FMC games for a while corruption based games are the ones bringing in the money on different platforms compared to products that are based on lesbian protas.

If I may give my 2 cents on this point:

I don't think purely sapphic games have a harder time turning a profit than other kinds of FMC games, or other kinds of lewd games in general.
Like any other game you either need to have a unique selling point, show that you respect the player's time, or both.
If anything, in my experience, lesbian games have it a bit easier 'cause the standards were so low for so long that the playerbase is willing to overlook things on the "technical" side if the story/characters are decent.

if you agree with this tagged "lesbian", please tell me why.

It's a sex content descriptor, not a "theme" one. It's a warning that "two women will be involved in sexual acts together" and its usefulness is for those who enjoy straight games but don't like seeing girls doing it together. (yes, those people exist and sometimes are VERY vocal about it).

What you need is a "story" or "theme" tag, something new like "wlw" or the "lgbtq" tag that Steam and Itch have...
...or a "straight sex" tag that you can filter out.

 

[exjoker \SX]

It's a sex content descriptor, not a "theme" one. It's a warning that "two women will be involved in sexual acts together" and its usefulness is for those who enjoy straight games but don't like seeing girls doing it together. (yes, those people exist and sometimes are VERY vocal about it).

What you need is a "story" or "theme" tag, something new like "wlw" or the "lgbtq" tag that Steam and Itch have...
...or a "straight sex" tag that you can filter out.

After around 6 years, I finally get an ANSWER!!!

So, tags are only acting as a warning for "SEX CONTENT".

Lesbian/yuri is considered a "SEX FETISH", rather than themes or character settings, right?

 

[lnomsim]

After around 6 years, I finally get an ANSWER!!!

So, tags are only acting as a warning for "SEX CONTENT".

Lesbian/yuri is considered a "SEX FETISH", rather than themes or character settings, right?

There was a debate some months ago when the devteam was reworking the tags.
A lot of people wanted a "lesbian protagonist" tag to be added, so we could make the difference between games with some lesbian scenes, and game with a lesbian route.

Unfortunately, such a tag wasn't added.

And while it could help a lot, what some people actually consider lesbian content is up to them, as you can see in the most recent debate.

For example, some people consider futaxfemale to be lesbian, personally, I don't. For me, lesbian means no dick involved.
On the other hand, some games that offer a lesbian path, or at least explore W/W relationship can be considered lesbian, such as "abnormal", which isn't considered by most here as a lesbian protagonist game, because the main character is mostly curious instead of pure lesbian (though any thought or interaction with males genitals can be easily avoided).

While we are on the matter of personal taste, someone suggested above using the lgbt tag on steam.

Personally, I don't like it. I mostly prefer games that focus on the characters and relationships (yuri), from personal experience, a lot of game being part of lgbt campaigns you can find on itch.io packs, etc... focus more on the external eye and what it means to be gay than the relationship proper.

To give a good example, take the legend of Korra comics.

I'll be honest, I only began to gain interest in the Avatar franchise when I learnt the main character in legend of Korra was a lesbian.

And, huh... was extremely disappointed with the show on that regard (still an excellent show though). Seriously, she's in an hetero relationship most of the show, she only talks to the other woman like 2 times, and at the end of the very last episode, they hold hand and go through a portal.

The lgbt community went apeshit with "LOOK FINALLY A LESBIAN HEROINE!!!!!" The entire preface of the first comic talks just about that. And it is an important part of said comic, but the way it is approached is "society might not be ready for such a relationship, be careful of what others might think of it", counterbalanced by "I'm a strong woman, i don't care about what other think", etc...

I don't give two f* about all that crap, just focus on the relationship. Yeah, I know, real life is full of hardship, for everyone really.

If I play games, watch tv shows and read comics/manga/BD, whatever, it's to not have to deal with this. I just want fiction with sweet women relationships.

Which bring us back to topic, what I want in lesbian protagonist games are games where the female MC is mostly in a relationship with other female characters. If we have a "woman eye" style of writing, all the better. But as a man myself, I know it's hard to have such an eye unless you manage to get a lesbian, or even a straight woman in your team to help with the writing, and considering most AVN dev team are made of a single dev... you know where I'm going with this.

 

[Finuee]

What are you even talking about, do you realize how much more work is behind the programming for a VN ?

It's waaaayyyyyy more than the render part.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be contrarian, but if you're using a VN framework like Ren'Py and you don't need additional functionality, that's just not true. Coding with those is an absolutely minimal effort.

 

[exjoker \SX]

There was a debate some months ago when the devteam was reworking the tags.
A lot of people wanted a "female protagonist" tag to be added, so we could make the difference between games with some lesbian scenes, and game with a lesbian route.

Unfortunately, such a tag wasn't added.

And while it could help a lot, what some people actually consider lesbian content is up to them, as you can see in the most recent debate.

For example, some people consider futaxfemale to be lesbian, personally, I don't. For me, lesbian means no dick involved.
On the other hand, some games that offer a lesbian path, or at least explore W/W relationship can be considered lesbian, such as "abnormal", which isn't considered by most here as a lesbian protagonist game, because the main character is mostly curious instead of pure lesbian (though any thought or interaction with males genitals can be easily avoided).

While we are on the matter of personal taste, someone suggested above using the lgbt tag on steam.

Personally, I don't like it. I mostly prefer games that focus on the characters and relationships (yuri), from personal experience, a lot of game being part of lgbt campaigns you can find on itch.io packs, etc... focus more on the external eye and what it means to be gay than the relationship proper.

To give a good example, take the legend of Korra comics.

I'll be honest, I only began to gain interest in the Avatar franchise when I learnt the main character in leged of Korra was a lesbian.

And, huh... was extremely disjointed in the show on that regard (still an excellent show though). Seriously, she's in an hetero relationship most of the show, she only talks to the other woman like 2 times, and at the end of the very last episode, they hold hand and go through a portal.

The lgbt community went apeshit with "LOOK FINALLY A LESBIAN HEROINE!!!!!" The entire preface of the first comic talks just about that. And it is an important part of said comic, but the way it is approached is "society might not be ready for such a relationship, be careful of what others might think of it", counterbalanced by "I'm a strong woman, i don't care about what other think", etc...

I don't give two f* about all that crap, just focus on the relationship. Yeah, I know, real life is full of hardship, for everyone really.

If I play games, watch tv shows and read comics/manga/BD, whatever, it's to not have to deal with this. I just want fiction with sweet women relationships.

Which bring us back to topic, what I want in lesbian protagonist games are games where the female MC is mostly in a relationship with other female characters. If we have a "woman eye" style of writing, all the better. But as a man myself, I know it's hard to have such an eye unless you manage to get a lesbian, or even a straight woman in your team to help with the writing, and considering most AVN dev team are made of a single dev... you know where I'm going with this.

Everything is pretty well concluded.

Yet I notice:
A lot of people wanted a "female protagonist" tag to be added, so we could make the difference between games with some lesbian scenes, and game with a lesbian route.

I'm sorry, don't we have a "female protagonist" tag already? There are many games with both female protagonist and lesbian, but......you know. Even this is not a proof of avoidance of male genitals.

 

[Lynava]

The only tag that is needed is the "lesbian path".

 

[lnomsim]

Everything is pretty well concluded.

Yet I notice:
A lot of people wanted a "female protagonist" tag to be added, so we could make the difference between games with some lesbian scenes, and game with a lesbian route.

I'm sorry, don't we have a "female protagonist" tag already? There are many games with both female protagonist and lesbian, but......you know. Even this is not a proof of avoidance of male genitals.

My bad, I wanted to write lesbian protagonist.

 

[Jaike]

Sorry to interrupt your debates, but:

Betflix
Blackmail and Education
Clara's Love Hotel
Family Chemistry
Let It Go
My Mom's Secret
The Princess Diaries

Worth noting that a couple of these games, except for Family Chemistry, Let It Go, and The Princess Diaries, were removed from the site. You may think "who cares?" but I bet it's for rule 7, so it could be a good idea to remove them from the list.

I'll delete the removed links from my quote once they've been deleted.

If I may give my 2 cents on this point:

I don't think purely sapphic games have a harder time turning a profit than other kinds of FMC games, or other kinds of lewd games in general.
Like any other game you either need to have a unique selling point, show that you respect the player's time, or both.
If anything, in my experience, lesbian games have it a bit easier 'cause the standards were so low for so long that the playerbase is willing to overlook things on the "technical" side if the story/characters are decent.

Thanks btw for your VNs. I tried Actual Roommates and it was pretty fun.

 

[yacky91]

If I may give my 2 cents on this point:

I don't think purely sapphic games have a harder time turning a profit than other kinds of FMC games, or other kinds of lewd games in general.
Like any other game you either need to have a unique selling point, show that you respect the player's time, or both.
If anything, in my experience, lesbian games have it a bit easier 'cause the standards were so low for so long that the playerbase is willing to overlook things on the "technical" side if the story/characters are decent.



It's a sex content descriptor, not a "theme" one. It's a warning that "two women will be involved in sexual acts together" and its usefulness is for those who enjoy straight games but don't like seeing girls doing it together. (yes, those people exist and sometimes are VERY vocal about it).

What you need is a "story" or "theme" tag, something new like "wlw" or the "lgbtq" tag that Steam and Itch have...
...or a "straight sex" tag that you can filter out.

And that's why I blame Devs for adding that minimum extra lesbian content as fetish in hetero games. Not only they displease the hetero fanbase, they also make it harder for us who are looking for lesbian content games.

Though many would enjoy "lesbian" when there's a dude involved, maybe harem type games, but that'd go well with Male MC which is an skip having FEM MC tag along lesbian.

 

[exjoker \SX]

Sorry to interrupt your debates, but:



I'll delete the removed links from my quote once they've been deleted.

Hmmmm, blackmail and education has been removed? I can't view that link directly.

Maybe it's because every game dumb koala made is about young loli-like girls, triggering FBI alarming

And... I'll give my 2 cent about dumb koala's games.

Most of his game failed to fall in lesbian category IMO. His games are typical, including themes like:

1. A big guy having a harem of more than 2 girls
2. 2 girls may have their intimate time in some routes, but mostly, they just hang around the man
3. Threesome being very essential in many games

They're labeled with "lesbian" only because of frames of young ladies licking or fingering. While I do remember some of his works are female only, their amount is still not comparable to his major types.

 

[HollowDux]

I just said that some of those dev's are able to write a great sapphic route that would be better than most of the Lesbian focused games we have nowadays, even if you have to go through a hetero scene beforehand...

I could name some games if you want to check them out

Thank you for the proposition, but I’m not interested.
They could make the best lesbian story ever if they force dicks in it they don't actually respect my sexuality. For me, that kind of content is a deal breaker.

 

[The Celtic fan]

Hmmmm, blackmail and education has been removed? I can't view that link directly.

Maybe it's because every game dumb koala made is about young loli-like girls, triggering FBI alarming

And... I'll give my 2 cent about dumb koala's games.

Most of his game failed to fall in lesbian category IMO. His games are typical, including themes like:

1. A big guy having a harem of more than 2 girls
2. 2 girls may have their intimate time in some routes, but mostly, they just hang around the man
3. Threesome being very essential in many games

They're labeled with "lesbian" only because of frames of young ladies licking or fingering. While I do remember some of his works are female only, their amount is still not comparable to his major types.

Honestly, I know that everyone has different tastes, but I don't understand people who say that his “renders” are very good. His characters look like loli Barbies with big eyes and weird textures, very uncanny valley to me.

I've also never understood why they talk about him in his threads as if he were a lesbian game developer, because the vast majority of what he has done is not, The ones here were a "bit" of the exception, and I say a "bit" of because it was mostly because it had a mode that skipped the het scenes, which left the stories cut off and without sense.

 

[FatGiant]

Honestly, I know that everyone has different tastes, but I don't understand people who say that his “renders” are very good. His characters look like loli Barbies with big eyes and weird textures, very uncanny valley to me.

I've also never understood why they talk about him in his threads as if he were a lesbian game developer, because the vast majority of what he has done is not, The ones here were a "bit" of the exception, and I say a "bit" of because it was mostly because it had a mode that skipped the het scenes, which left the stories cut off and without sense.

I've not played the majority of his catalog, I think I've played 2, one of them I deleted almost immediately, the other one only survived because in spite of the creepy models, it was Lescest, and that's too rare to ignore even if I was a bit disgusted with myself because of the apparent age of the younger girl. I finished it, but, refused to have it on my HDD and deleted it right after.

The rest of his catalog creeps me up, I honestly felt dirty just looking at the cover images. I don't care what type of legal gymnastics people go through to make it acceptable, if it looks too young, it is too young, nevermind that they claim to be 18 and 2 weeks.

To be honest, not even when I was 18, 19, 20, I looked for girls that age, by the fact that I looked way older, tall, full beard since 16, hairy body, I looked for and was looked for, older women, sometimes as old as 40. So, I never had to deal with girls in that age bracket. They did creep me then, they still creep me now. The youngest girl I ever dated was 16, and I was 14, didn't last, she was too childish.............. LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Peace