Let's make a little fun of DeviantArt craziness...

[MDashK]

^^ This right here, is a Crazy Alert.







This is related to fictional characters, cartoons, drawings, shit that doesn't exist
Now imagine if these same rules applied to real people:
1) You aged up?? Look like 30?!? Doesn't matter. You're still under 18 years old.
2) Oh? You're 24 but still look like 17?!? Nope! You're still under-age for us!
3) Oh, wait a second... It seems there was an issue with your birth certificate, due to your government incompetence, and you're 20, but your ID states you're 16!..... Hmmm.... Nope!!! You're 16!!! GTFO!

These people are getting crazier and crazier by the minute... And I won't even bring the fact of the total disrespect to fictosexual people...

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[♍VoidTraveler]

^^ This right here, is a Crazy Alert.

I mean, here on F95 it's pretty much the same story.
And fictosexual? Wtf is even.. ah wait, those clowns who marry figurines and pictures right? Lol.

 

[MDashK]

I mean, here on F95 it's pretty much the same story.

So, you mean that aged-up characters aren't allowed here either?
And you mean that what counts in here, is the age that the author defined to the character? Something invented?
And that despite the look of the character, according to the above logic, it will always be under 18?

And fictosexual? Wtf is even.. ah wait, those clowns who marry figurines and pictures right? Lol.

... Your comment indicates you have no idea on the subject of fictosexuality so...

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But long story short: Fictosexuality is not only related to the, how you say, "clowns" that marry figurines...
Infact, there are a lot of people, and even couples, who are fictosexual, and have a family, children, etc. One thing doesn't invalidate other.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

So, you mean that aged-up characters aren't allowed here either?
And you mean that what counts in here, is the age that the author defined to the character? Something invented?
And that despite the look of the character, according to the above logic, it will always be under 18?

You'd have to contact the dudes with a blue [STAFF MEMBER] badge under their avatar and ask them to be absolutely sure.
Generally you can expect that if the art/model LOOKS prepubescent, it will probably be booted outa here no matter the age or whether or not it's a 999999999999999999 year old vampire of whatever.

 

[MDashK]

Generally you can expect that if the art/model LOOKS prepubescent, it will probably be booted outa here no matter the age or whether or not it's a 999999999999999999 year old vampire of whatever.

Well, yeah. Sure. And I can understand that that makes some sense. In the way that it's morally questionable; for those with difficulty in grasping and differentiate fiction from reality also; and also other debatable situations.
But that's not what deviantart is doing here... As people usually say: They're going full retard.

 

[Chains123]

You'd have to contact the dudes with a blue [STAFF MEMBER] badge under their avatar and ask them to be absolutely sure.
Generally you can expect that if the art/model LOOKS prepubescent, it will probably be booted outa here no matter the age or whether or not it's a 999999999999999999 year old vampire of whatever.

There are plenty of games with prepubescant drawn characters on this Website, four elements trainer, insexual awakening are good examples

The thing with deviant art is crazy because even those characters that look like adults but are lore wise 17 are now banned

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Well, yeah. Sure. And I can understand that that makes some sense. In the way that it's morally questionable; for those with difficulty in grasping and differentiate fiction from reality also; and also other debatable situations.
But that's not what deviantart is doing here... As people usually say: They're going full retard.

Nobody cares about grasping differences or whatever, F95 and i'm sure Deviant Art as well simply don't want to be hassled by various potential nuisances who don't like things like prepubescent art, or attract pedophiles along with various bigger nuisances who are always after them. And i totally understand not wanting to deal with all that bullshit lol.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

There are plenty of games with prepubescant drawn characters on this Website, four elements trainer, insexual awakening are good examples

Then report those and see what happens.
Although whether they will share you opinion that stuff in those games is prepubescent is another matter entirely.

 

[Chains123]

Then report those and see what happens.
Although whether they will share you opinion that stuff in those games is prepubescent is another matter entirely.

Nah its just crazy to say deviant art is the same deal, they dont even care about the look of a character.

 

[MDashK]

Nobody cares about grasping differences or whatever, F95 and i'm sure Deviant Art as well simply don't want to be hassled by various potential nuisances who don't like things like prepubescent art, or attract pedophiles along with various bigger nuisances who are always after them. And i totally understand not wanting to deal with all that bullshit lol.

You know, you stated the serious issue. "Nobody cares about grasping differences" ....
Imagine if laws where passed based on looks. Nobody that nearly ressembled a younger person could have a license, have a job, hell, even do a porno or decide it's own life!

Wait... What?... Since when this kind of art attracts pedophiles? Pedophiles are into kids, not drawings. Infact, more and more, time and time again, the opposite has been proven. That pedophiles end up being antis while abusing kids, and those that consume fictional content are sometimes the ones that end up denoucing pedophiles.

 

[Hagatagar]

I think that's just a misinterpretation on DeviantArt part what the term AgedUp means.

They think it's when you have a 14 year old and say she is 18 *wink wink* so you are "allowed" to draw lewd stuff with her, without changing anything else apperancewise to her.
That's why they mention the 800-year-old loli vampire.

While in reality aged up means to make a character physically an adult.

 

[CaptainBipto]

I think that's just a misinterpretation on DeviantArt part what the term AgedUp means.

They think it's when you have a 14 year old and say she is 18 *wink wink* so you are "allowed" to draw lewd stuff with her, without changing anything else apperancewise to her.
That's why they mention the 800-year-old loli vampire.

While in reality aged up means to make a character physically an adult.

The third section would seem to contradict what you are saying:

- Sometimes characters are released with different canonical ages in different countries and regions, which causes the official information to contradict itself. In these cases, DeviantArt will only recognize the character as being the younger of the two ages.

My interpretation from that third section (when reading the first section again) is that even if there is canon that states the character is over 18, as long as there is another set of lore/canon information that places those characters under the age of consent, DeviantArt will only acknowledge the younger age and ban any porn of that character.

From reading all 3 of those sections together, my impression is that DeviantArt doesn't give a damn if you take a fictional child character and age their physical appearance to something considered 'legal' and declare that this is the same character 20 years later or take a childish character and declare they are 800 years old, they will only acknowledge the fact that the canon/lore (or physical appearance) states they are X age and if it is under the age of consent, then those 'aged up' characters are still considered kiddy porn.



On a side note, we could probably ask a dozen different people and likely get a dozen different interpretations. Unless DeviantArt comes out with some exhaustive explanations and examples, there is always going to be variations on how some of what they put out will be interpreted.

 

[Hagatagar]

The third section would seem to contradict what you are saying:

- Sometimes characters are released with different canonical ages in different countries and regions, which causes the official information to contradict itself. In these cases, DeviantArt will only recognize the character as being the younger of the two ages.

My interpretation from that third section (when reading the first section again) is that even if there is canon that states the character is over 18, as long as there is another set of lore/canon information that places those characters under the age of consent, DeviantArt will only acknowledge the younger age and ban any porn of that character.

From reading all 3 of those sections together, my impression is that DeviantArt doesn't give a damn if you take a fictional child character and age their physical appearance to something considered 'legal' and declare that this is the same character 20 years later or take a childish character and declare they are 800 years old, they will only acknowledge the fact that the canon/lore (or physical appearance) states they are X age and if it is under the age of consent, then those 'aged up' characters are still considered kiddy porn.



On a side note, we could probably ask a dozen different people and likely get a dozen different interpretations. Unless DeviantArt comes out with some exhaustive explanations and examples, there is always going to be variations on how some of what they put out will be interpreted.

No need to mix them all up. The third section is its own point.

And that is the one that make the least sense of them.
While there are "official canon ages" there is only one true canon age, that's the one the original artist/author came up with.
The reason for this section is, because the publishing-rights-holder of some countries make the characters a little older because the situations they find themselves in seem too inappropriate for them.
Does this mean the higher age should count?
Nope! The age of the original must count and as it's usually manga/anime that get this kind of "age up", it's a younger age then the west is accustomed to.

And this "I made the character 800-years-old" is a stupid non existing loop-hole many people think is working. The same with the "All characters are 18+ years old" disclaimer at the beginning of fictional content, it's a self-assuring measure that's not worth anything.

 

[bethrezen0]

When i saw the title i wasn't expecting this. For some reason i thought it's about the usual DA craziness, MSpaint fetish art, WonderBread guy, the Cristian MSpaint fetish art even. and other crazy funny stuff. brought me back in 201X's for a moment.

But it's actually the fucking pedo-hysteria loli debate all over again, i'm tired of this shit.

 

[MDashK]

But it's actually the fucking pedo-hysteria loli debate all over again, i'm tired of this shit.

Hmmm... "pedo-hysteria loli debate"...... That says a lot about your analysis on the subject.
So my question is: why did you bother to post in the first place?

 

[MDashK]

And this "I made the character 800-years-old" is a stupid non existing loop-hole many people think is working. The same with the "All characters are 18+ years old" disclaimer at the beginning of fictional content, it's a self-assuring measure that's not worth anything.

Yeah, the "All characters are 18+ years old" disclaimer is there because more and more, people seem to not know to distinguish fiction from reality.
Go check older games, from the 90's and early 2000's, and tell me how many have that disclaimer.
Nowadays, people are just more insane and detached from reality, imo.

Now: putting aside the fact that it's drawings we're talking about, something someone invented, someone imagined, an object, that has no conscious, no rights, no privileges and nothing related whatsoever, might as well artists stop assigning ages to the characters. Since, according to DA, doesn't matter if it looks adult. If the artist says it's under 18, it's under 18.

And then, there are cases, in real life, like this:

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[bethrezen0]

Hmmm... "pedo-hysteria loli debate"...... That says a lot about your analysis on the subject.
So my question is: why did you bother to post in the first place?

Cause of the first part of my post, duh.
And what that says about my analysis of the subject exactly ?
Maybe you misunderstood which way "pedo-hysteria loli debate" was aimed at or something, or you are trying to fight both sides. Cuz for me all that says is that i'm tired of this debate over fictional stuff, seeing it popping up everywhere lately(for years actually i think). I want some fun man, not being constantly reminded of what world we live in...

 

[MDashK]

Cause of the first part of my post, duh.
And what that says about my analysis of the subject exactly ?
Maybe you misunderstood which way "pedo-hysteria loli debate" was aimed at or something, or you are trying to fight both sides. Cuz for me all that says is that i'm tired of this debate over fictional stuff, seeing it popping up everywhere lately(for years actually i think). I want some fun man, not being constantly reminded of what world we live in...

Again... Then why did you bother to post?
I'm not sure you understood, but the main thing about this post is: DA worrying about what says in the fictional ID card of the character instead of the physical looks. Grown up looking characters being defined as underage by DA.
Your "pedo-hysteria loli debate" comparison made it sound like you were comparing drawings with real life children and completely disregard and ignore the topic at hand. Then again, maybe I misunderstood. Apologies if that was the case.
Despite, well, if you are tired of "debate over fictional stuff", I'm tired of people mixing pedo's (aka people that abuse real life children) with drawings...
It's good you want some fun. So, again... Why bother posting? Infact, why even open the thread? Just ignore and go play something, right?

 

[Hagatagar]

Yeah, the "All characters are 18+ years old" disclaimer is there because more and more, people seem to not know to distinguish fiction from reality.
Go check older games, from the 90's and early 2000's, and tell me how many have that disclaimer.
Nowadays, people are just more insane and detached from reality, imo.

Nope, you got it backwards. Games added this disclamer because movies and TV-shows do this.
For them it makes sense because there are real people involved and if an adult plays a minor, the audience should know that no minors were involved and everything is according to the laws.

For games this disclaimer has no value and no legal footing. It's a pointless comfy blanked devs like to hide under and pretend they are safe.

Also the games you are referring to are most likely japanese games or even more amateurish western games than those of today.

 

[MDashK]

Nope, you got it backwards. Games added this disclamer because movies and TV-shows do this.
For them it makes sense because there are real people involved and if an adult plays a minor, the audience should know that no minors were involved and everything is according to the laws.

What are you talking about? I got it backwards? Seems you're the one that's not understanding.

Just like you said: Movies and TV shows do this. And makes sense. Since, well, like you stated, they use real people.
Games don't use real people. They use graphics, drawings, and yes, nowadays, with the evolution of technology, a lot of them use real life models as base for the characters. But for all intents and purposes, it's not real people. It's graphics. The base of the real person used is worked on, changed and molded. So, according to that logic, makes no sense to insert that disclaimer. Yet, more and more games have it nowadays. No sense in that. Like I previously stated, imo, it's because people are more and more having difficulty distinguishing fiction from reality...

For games this disclaimer has no value and no legal footing. It's a pointless comfy blanked devs like to hide under and pretend they are safe.

That's right. Is has no value because, well, it's games. Not real people. Infact, devs don't "need to hide under" nothing and "pretend they are safe" because, well, they are in fact safe. It's ridiculous.
You go around games like GTA and Call of Duty and shoot a bunch of characters up. You're safe. You're not going to jail over that. And nor the devs.

Also the games you are referring to are most likely japanese games or even more amateurish western games than those of today.

The games I referred to are all games from the 90's and 2000's. Have nothing to do if they are japanese or more amateur.
However, if you're talking about the newest games that have such disclaimer, they also range from Japanese to western games. And indie games don't usually tend to have such disclaimer.