Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.10.7 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

IvoryOwl · Jul 3, 2020

SordidDreams said:
I wasn't aware the spellbooks were lore-unfriendly. There's nothing I recall anywhere in the game to indicate that elementals are somehow special and need to be acquired in a special way.

Taken from Inno's own post.

Elementals will also be getting a rework, and while they will no longer be summoned as persistent companions, they will still function in the same manner during combat. I will also be adding a way to start an interaction scene with them, so you'll still be able to have sex with them and talk to them about things. I'll be greatly expanding this once again once I get to the stage in the game where Elementals will be properly unlocked in a lore-friendly way (the current elemental spell books are just temporary).

It's probably related or the exact same situation why teleportation spells are considered 'illegal' and restricted to select individuals and factions. The only way to acquire teleportation is through a special quest or by cheating and I'm guessing the same applies (or will apply) to elementals. Need to do something special to be able to summon one.

What I'm curious to know is whether we're going to see this lore-friendly method being implemented early in the game or further into the story. Because right now you can use the elementals to bypass the imp guards at the fortresses. Its not much but it's one of their uses. Is it going to get retconned?

NoStepOnSnek · Jul 3, 2020

IvoryOwl said:
Taken from Inno's own post.

It's probably related or the exact same situation why teleportation spells are considered 'illegal' and restricted to select individuals and factions. The only way to acquire teleportation is through a special quest or by cheating and I'm guessing the same applies (or will apply) to elementals. Need to do something special to be able to summon one.

What I'm curious to know is whether we're going to see this lore-friendly method being implemented early in the game or further into the story. Because right now you can use the elementals to bypass the imp guards at the fortresses. Its not much but it's one of their uses. Is it going to get retconned?

There's demon options at the fortresses that are only relevant on repeat encounters, so could go either way.

SordidDreams · Jul 3, 2020

IvoryOwl said:
It's probably related or the exact same situation why teleportation spells are considered 'illegal' and restricted to select individuals and factions. The only way to acquire teleportation is through a special quest or by cheating and I'm guessing the same applies (or will apply) to elementals. Need to do something special to be able to summon one.

Yeah, I get that, what I'm saying is there's nothing in the game currently to indicate elementals are illegal or rare or anything. So it's not so much a case of "I'm going to make elementals hard to get to conform to the lore" and more a case of "I'm going to make up new lore to justify making elementals hard to get".

Judging by the phrasing of "once I get to the stage in the game where Elementals will be properly unlocked", I'm guessing elementals aren't going to be available in the starting town. As for the imp fortress option, since you're not going to be able to have elementals as permanent companions anyway, I'm guessing that encounter is going to have to be recoded and the elemental use will probably get removed. Or maybe it's going to be kept for imported characters who know the spell sooner than they're supposed to, similar to how Mass Effect 2 still has dialogue for certain party members in missions that have to be done before those party members become available, and the only way to hear those lines is to cheat the party member in early.

IvoryOwl · Jul 3, 2020

SordidDreams said:
Yeah, I get that, what I'm saying is there's nothing in the game currently to indicate elementals are illegal or rare or anything. So it's not so much a case of "I'm going to make elementals hard to get to conform to the lore" and more a case of "I'm going to make up new lore to justify making elementals hard to get".

We don't really have any details on her intentions so your guess is as good as mine. It's one of the quirks of playing a WIP - anything and everything is subject to change. I mean, how many times have I revamped, added, rebooted and/or retconned lore in my own worlds and stories, just to make that shiny new concept, character, or interest fit in - pfff, I've lost count. I've also heard that the angel lore is going to be revamped at some point, whether that's just a guess or actually happening I have no clue.

Basically, she seems to have a general idea of where she wants the story to go but the devil is in the details and those could very well be subject to change as time goes on.

NoStepOnSnek · Jul 3, 2020

Except them being rare and powerful enough to immediately send a couple Imps into a brown alert (that scene already has a variation for summoning btw). It's also not exactly a new plan.

SordidDreams · Jul 3, 2020

NoStepOnSnek said:
Except them being rare and powerful enough to immediately send a couple Imps into a brown alert (that scene already has a variation for summoning btw). It's also not exactly a new plan.

That scene has always seemed rather weird and out-of-place to me given how easily a low-level elemental keels over when fighting a group of imps, and also given that groups of imps or even single imps don't show any fear of elementals at all during normal encounters. But that's a perennial problem present in basically all video games, it's the old "let's whip out an iron dagger and attempt to mug the dragonborn decked out in full daedric gear" situation. Someday, someone is going to make a game that handles NPC respect for and/or fear of the player in a systemic way rather than only in a few select, specially scripted situations.

Kallumin · Jul 3, 2020

This sucks. I enjoy the party interactions a lot. But there were already several encounters where your party members couldn't participate in sex. So all unique NPCs going forward will only be involved in solo sexual encounters, excepts when there's two or more NPCs. And since random encounters already have party member support, I think fighting random nagas/dragons/dolphins/etc. will still allow party members to participate in the encounter, and the resulting sex scene.

So I'll withhold judgement until I see how exactly this works going forward. If this results into a noticeable faster update schedule, it might just be worth it.

NoStepOnSnek · Jul 3, 2020

SordidDreams said:
That scene has always seemed rather weird and out-of-place to me given how easily a low-level elemental keels over when fighting a group of imps, and also given that groups of imps or even single imps don't show any fear of elementals at all during normal encounters. But that's a perennial problem present in basically all video games, it's the old "let's whip out an iron dagger and attempt to mug the dragonborn decked out in full daedric gear" situation. Someday, someone is going to make a game that handles NPC respect for and/or fear of the player in a systemic way rather than only in a few select, specially scripted situations.

There'll be some steps to address the most egregious 'Bethesda Bandits' issues in the future.

Kallumin said:
This sucks. I enjoy the party interactions a lot. But there were already several encounters where your party members couldn't participate in sex. So all unique NPCs going forward will only be involved in solo sexual encounters, excepts when there's two or more NPCs. And since random encounters already have party member support, I think fighting random nagas/dragons/dolphins/etc. will still allow party members to participate in the encounter, and the resulting sex scene.

So I'll withhold judgement until I see how exactly this works going forward. If this results into a noticeable faster update schedule, it might just be worth it.

Well, if you get really lucky and find a naga as a dominion alleyway mugger or bring her back home. Random encounters outside will technically be different encounters and would need their own intros and such.

IvoryOwl · Jul 3, 2020

Kallumin said:
And since random encounters already have party member support, I think fighting random nagas/dragons/dolphins/etc.

The problem is that none of those races have been added yet, which means Inno would have to make a special line of code for them to show up on group fights (and allow group sex). If I were you I'd lower your expectations. In fact, I think people better prepare themselves for the vast majority of group sex content to be limited to Dominion only (with the exception of temporary companions that will be added at later dates, in different areas). Newer areas would have be coded in to allow group sex. Again, not happening.

kryanBR · Jul 3, 2020

someone know if it possible to get a fetish of your choice? why am I trying to get the "Submissive" fetish but it is impossible. I used 26 mystery kink and nothing.

NoStepOnSnek · Jul 3, 2020

kryanBR said:
someone know if it possible to get a fetish of your choice? why am I trying to get the "Submissive" fetish but it is impossible. I used 26 mystery kink and nothing.

Open your 'phone' menu and buy it directly from the fetish menu.
You can also enchant clothing or the kink potion to give and remover specific kinks to yourself or other npcs.

SordidDreams · Jul 3, 2020

IvoryOwl said:
The problem is that none of those races have been added yet, which means Inno would have to make a special line of code for them to show up on group fights (and allow group sex).

That... sounds like something that should be handled automatically in a well-designed system?

Carl0sDanger · Jul 4, 2020

SordidDreams said:
Oh, I see. The URL contains a page number, which is dependent on your posts-per-page setting. Well, that's dumb. Anyway, it's the post where you claim that LT is an RPG because Inno says it is. This one: https://f95zone.to/threads/liliths-throne-v0-3-8-5-innoxia.3564/post-3746895
Of course, you knew perfectly well what post I was referring to since you, y'know, made it.

At no point have I ever claimed that LT is an RPG "because Inno says it is". Whilst it is possible you might have genuinely been mistaken initially, I have since straight out told you that was not what I was getting at. Inno describing LT as an RPG doesn't mean that it is - as you said - anymore than NK calling itself a democracy means it's democratic.

But if NK wants other people to start taking it's claim to democracy seriously, it would need to hold some elections. Just for starters.

Inno calls LT an RPG. That means that her development should be focusing on providing meaningful player choice that affects the outcome of the main story.

If you continue to lie about my position despite it having been clarified to you twice, I'm simply going to have to stop engaging with you.

XoeSara · Jul 4, 2020

Zurrlock said:
Found an exploit; if you try to Enchant an item when you have a merchant trade window open, when you go back to the trade window it's no longer "buy", it's "take" as if you were dealing with a companion or the like. This allows you to take a merchant's entire stock and their money, and also allows you to feed them potions.

I can imagine just taking everything from there storage, emptying their case register and making them drink a potion while the NPC has a poker face.

SordidDreams · Jul 4, 2020

Carl0sDanger said:
If you continue to lie about my position despite it having been clarified to you twice, I'm simply going to have to stop engaging with you.

Please do, because you lying about what your position is despite its clear and unambiguous statement being quoted and linked to you is nothing short of gaslighting.

Ximeus said:
I can imagine just taking everything from there storage, emptying their case register and making them drink a potion while the NPC has a poker face.

Or just put a bucket over their head to block their line of sight.

XoeSara · Jul 4, 2020

SordidDreams said:
Or just put a bucket over their head to block their line of sight.

That makes more sense......if there is even sense in putting a bucket on someones head.

Shilou · Jul 6, 2020

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