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jfmherokiller

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one of the most dissapointing things about this guy after getting into it was how the clothes transformations really didnt go as far as they should and taking the effort to try and mod the one outfit i had thought of would've been far more work than the game deserved from me (in my opinion)

like, why is there no rings that let you sprout multiple penises, a tail, gills, demon eyes, wings, ect so long as you're wearing it in the game about transformations??? why cant i have a cape that transforms into bat wings god dammit!?
because the game focused on body based perm TF not clothing glamor. (I do wish items could have temp tfs tho but I also didnt want to put the work in)
 

BooringSeeker

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One of the weakest points of LT, in my opinion, is the lack of normal arousal mechanics. I believe that if you have a porn game with sex mechanics, the game should push towards these mechanics, giving the player a choice: accept or resist, but not let them completely ignore it. Gradually growing over time (Or as a result of what you saw/heard/dreamed, etc.) arousal prompts you to look for a way either to satisfy it, or to restrain its growth and not get arousal. Both ways should, in a good way, also reward and punish the player with something: buffs/debuffs, the appearance/removal of options in dialogues, etc. And in LT, arousal is, consider it, a static parameter based solely on the corruption of the character. You can complete the game without ever having sex or, conversely, fucking with everyone you meet - and you won't feel any difference. This is very sad.
Fetishes are also static and change, literally, at the click of a button on the player's phone. Moreover, they practically have no effect on sex scenes. You can make your character hate masturbation and vuaerism, and then peek on someone by putting your hand in your pants. These functions will still be active, the character will not refuse to do this or at least receive stress from dislike for himself and own actions.
Honestly, I would have gone somewhere in TiTS and never returned if it weren't for the fantastic customization possibilities and, most importantly, random and customizable enemies. Beating up the same ants that are all women and the same jaguars that are all men quickly gets boring. Give me that centaur over there, which is a brutal man on top and a fertile mare on the bottom, that Amazon shark with tits the size of a watermelon and a dick the size of my arm, that cute harpy chick over there... I do not know, my eyes are running away! Not these completely identical in shape, size, gender, height, weight and even preferences jaguars!
 
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angerybro

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One of the weakest points of LT, in my opinion, is the lack of normal arousal mechanics. I believe that if you have a porn game with sex mechanics, the game should push towards these mechanics, giving the player a choice: accept or resist, but not let them completely ignore it. Gradually growing over time (Or as a result of what you saw/heard/dreamed, etc.) arousal prompts you to look for a way either to satisfy it, or to restrain its growth and not get arousal. Both ways should, in a good way, also reward and punish the player with something: buffs/debuffs, the appearance/removal of options in dialogues, etc. And in LT, arousal is, consider it, a static parameter based solely on the corruption of the character. You can complete the game without ever having sex or, conversely, fucking with everyone you meet - and you won't feel any difference. This is very sad.
Fetishes are also static and change, literally, at the click of a button on the player's phone. Moreover, they practically have no effect on sex scenes. You can make your character hate masturbation and vuaerism, and then peek on someone by putting your hand in your pants. These functions will still be active, the character will not refuse to do this or at least receive stress from dislike for himself and own actions.
Honestly, I would have gone somewhere in TiTS and never returned if it weren't for the fantastic customization possibilities and, most importantly, random and customizable enemies. Beating up the same ants that are all women and the same jaguars that are all men quickly gets boring. Give me that centaur over there, which is a brutal man on top and a fertile mare on the bottom, that Amazon shark with tits the size of a watermelon and a dick the size of my arm, that cute harpy chick over there... I do not know, my eyes are running away! Not these completely identical in shape, size, gender, height, weight and even preferences jaguars!
i love my harem of 6 feet + women of varying species and builds.
 

weetweet69

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Feb 25, 2019
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so were can i find dragon girls? i can't find any.
Aside from what the guy above said in that they're locked behind a quest, the only other way is to make a fresh character, enter the debug menu, and changing their race from the default human to whatever type of dragon-morph there is. And then export the character so you can then import them from the slave auction and buy them off.
 

BaloneyAmone

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so were can i find dragon girls? i can't find any.
Aside from what the guy above said in that they're locked behind a quest, the only other way is to make a fresh character, enter the debug menu, and changing their race from the default human to whatever type of dragon-morph there is. And then export the character so you can then import them from the slave auction and buy them off.
You don't necessarily need to import a character to do so, the slime transform trick works for dragons too, although it takes some setup:
  1. Get at least two Biojuice canisters. The most reliable way to do this is to fight slimes in the brown Submission Tunnels tiles with "Transformer" in Fetish Preferences set to Always, in which 1-3 will spawn on each slime you fight. Note that you'll have to open their inventory and manually take it off of them.
  2. Enchant one of the canisters to turn it into a potion that turns body material to flesh. This is the only enchantment option for a biojuice canister.
  3. Get any random idiot to be at your mercy, such as beating up a random street idiot or chatting up one of your slaves.
  4. Open their inventory and feed them a biojuice canister, turning them into a slime.
  5. Leave that menu and command them to transform, then turn them into a dragon: past setting all of their core body parts and any desired genitals you want on them into Dragon, you'll also need to give them Dragon wings, otherwise they'll be a drake. Note that for slaves you'll need to unequip their slave collar temporarily, as by default they block self-transformations.
  6. Open their inventory again and feed your victim the flesh conversion potion to un-slime them. If successful, your test subject will now be a greater dragon-morph.
As a side note, you'll get a lot of corruption doing this in any meaningful quantity: using a biojuice canister on others gives you a flat 10 corruption, while the flesh conversion potion will also give a small amount if you don't have the Transformer fetish and your corruption isn't already pretty high. This is a good way to hit 100 corruption for the demon transformation once you wrap up the Dominion leg of the main quest.
If this corruption is undesirable, however, you can enchant Angel's Nectars to reduce corruption and consume them.
Also: this method works on yourself, in case you want to become a dragon.
 
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SpikyHair

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If anyone's doing this theoretical spiritual successor, please for the love of god use a good engine and not Java.
The problem isn't the choice of programming language, it's the way it was (ab)used.

I mentioned Songs of Syx a while back, and still will point to it as an example of what you can do with Java if you're not just ramming square references into round arrays.
I imagine most here might already know this fun tidbit, but Rollercoaster Tycoon was coded in Assembly with a smidge of C.
As someone who experienced the joys of nuking entire system by loading incorrect register value, I dare say there's a reason assembly is not widely used nowadays.

I mean, aside from needing several pages of code to do basic things. >.>

Though I have to say, learning to "debug" your assembly assignments on paper was a very, very good practice that translated well into higher level programming.
 

weetweet69

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Feb 25, 2019
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You don't necessarily need to import a character to do so, the slime transform trick works for dragons too, although it takes some setup:
  1. Get at least two Biojuice canisters. The most reliable way to do this is to fight slimes in the brown Submission Tunnels tiles with "Transformer" in Fetish Preferences set to Always, in which 1-3 will spawn on each slime you fight. Note that you'll have to open their inventory and manually take it off of them.
  2. Enchant one of the canisters to turn it into a potion that turns body material to flesh. This is the only enchantment option for a biojuice canister.
  3. Get any random idiot to be at your mercy, such as beating up a random street idiot or chatting up one of your slaves.
  4. Open their inventory and feed them a biojuice canister, turning them into a slime.
  5. Leave that menu and command them to transform, then turn them into a dragon: past setting all of their core body parts and any desired genitals you want on them into Dragon, you'll also need to give them Dragon wings, otherwise they'll be a drake. Note that for slaves you'll need to unequip their slave collar temporarily, as by default they block self-transformations.
  6. Open their inventory again and feed your victim the flesh conversion potion to un-slime them. If successful, your test subject will now be a greater dragon-morph.
As a side note, you'll get a lot of corruption doing this in any meaningful quantity: using a biojuice canister on others gives you a flat 10 corruption, while the flesh conversion potion will also give a small amount if you don't have the Transformer fetish and your corruption isn't already pretty high. This is a good way to hit 100 corruption for the demon transformation once you wrap up the Dominion leg of the main quest.
If this corruption is undesirable, however, you can enchant Angel's Nectars to reduce corruption and consume them.
Also: this method works on yourself, in case you want to become a dragon.
Didn't know about the canister trick though it's one I wouldn't aim for since I go for a run in having 0 corruption. That said, I didn't know about the Angel Nectars reducing them, especially since I never actually read about them compared to just getting physical related food items to make health potions out of.
 

jfmherokiller

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And that's just one of the several runtime layers because Inno. :)
I would like to remind here that LT runs a heavy GUI framework called JavaFX... only to display a webpage, with one of the slowest HTML engines in the world. Of course it lags.
whats worse is that it isnt only used for the main display area if i remember correctly you have i think 5 webviews in total. (yes they use a webview to draw the buttons).
 
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Sarkath

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I think it's kind of easy for a lot of people to forget that Java is used quite heavily in high throughput enterprise scenarios (not to mention a mixture of Java and Kotlin being the core of JetBrains IDEs, which are quite fast!). The JVM is quite performant, but when one's only exposure to it is Lilith's Throne and Minecraft it's easy to see why its reputation among casual users isn't so stellar.

whats worse is that it isnt only used for the main display area if i remember correctly you have i think 5 webviews in total. (yes they use a webview to draw the buttons).
Precisely. The various Java classes basically shove HTML into the DOM and hook onto the various event handlers, then do a bunch of voodoo magic to pass data around. Considering what JavaFX is capable of on its own it's extremely wasteful. I don't think having the content pane as a WebView is a terrible idea, but there's no reason for everything else to be set up like that.
 
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jfmherokiller

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I think it's kind of easy for a lot of people to forget that Java is used quite heavily in high throughput enterprise scenarios (not to mention a mixture of Java and Kotlin being the core of JetBrains IDEs, which are quite fast!). The JVM is quite performant, but when one's only exposure to it is Lilith's Throne and Minecraft it's easy to see why its reputation among casual users isn't so stellar.



Precisely. The various Java classes basically shove HTML into the DOM and hook onto the various event handlers, then do a bunch of voodoo magic to pass data around. Considering what JavaFX is capable of on its own it's extremely wasteful. I don't think having the content pane as a WebView is a terrible idea, but there's no reason for everything else to be set up like that.
correct, They could have taken a page from CoC1 where only the mainview panel is a "webview". and everything else is "native"
 
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Nemesis Navro

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You don't necessarily need to import a character to do so, the slime transform trick works for dragons too, although it takes some setup:
  1. Leave that menu and command them to transform, then turn them into a dragon: past setting all of their core body parts and any desired genitals you want on them into Dragon, you'll also need to give them Dragon wings, otherwise they'll be a drake. Note that for slaves you'll need to unequip their slave collar temporarily, as by default they block self-transformations.
  2. Open their inventory again and feed your victim the flesh conversion potion to un-slime them. If successful, your test subject will now be a greater dragon-morph.
Is there a difference between Lesser Dragon-Morph and Greater Dragon-Morph? The trait that accompanies both doesn't change between them. (I know they're different from drake)
 

sasha2

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it is time for "abandoned" status?:unsure:
I was just checking that, as I was asking the same question myself.
No, the requirement is one of the following:
* the dev officially abandons development
* no updates for 18 months
* the dev officially suspends development and no updates for 6 months after that
* no public communication from the dev for 3 months when something major requires it (like Patreon/SS ban)
I don't think anything major happened, and the wiki going down was acknowledged (even if nothing has been done to fix it yet).
So I guess this game will keep it's active status on F95 for as long as Inno manages to release a tiny bugfix once or twice a year.
 
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