Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Dr.Feelgood]

As someone who has only just found this, is it worth picking up? As I've never played it before how much content is here? mainly asking because it sounds like this project doesn't get many updates and most comments I've read are bout delays and lack of content updates.

Lilith's Throne is definitely worth going through a couple dozen times if you have never played it before. There is hardly anything like it, although there is some definitely similarities/inspiration drawn from CoC.

With that said, once you've seen everything this ocean wide puddle has to offer there is not much point in coming back until a year or two... unless you like seeing what a little bit of hope and tons of despair can do to people in the comments here. If you like what you see in this version, do not get your hopes up for any meaningful changes in the foreseeable future.

Check out the most recent reviews if you want a more in depth opinion mate.

 

[shakey2]

Well I found the problem. Supposedly I had at some point "attacked" the npc in question after befriending them resulting in "genericNPCBetrayedByPlayer" which is supposed to be the ONLY way to get said flag (collaring them through the inventory after they trust you doesn't count, you have to press the red attack button). Only I don't remember attacking them after befriending them (when you talk or give them money for the first time). Still I'll share this information here just in case someone ends up in a similar circumstance. Basically if you open your save file and fine the line genericNPCBetrayedByPlayer then delete that entire line you will be good to go. NoStepOnSnek DirtyMare88 kht Random Bob

 

[czertik]

any plans to increase inventory size ? t gets realy full if player dont want to drop potions and want to keep colectiong (and selling) clothes and other stuff

 

[tehlemon]

any plans to increase inventory size ? t gets realy full if player dont want to drop potions and want to keep colectiong (and selling) clothes and other stuff

I've been saying that the inventory system needs a complete overhaul for about four years now, and there's never been a mention of the inventory during that time. Probably not any plans to touch it within the next decade.

 

[Aileh200]

I've been saying that the inventory system needs a complete overhaul for about four years now, and there's never been a mention of the inventory during that time. Probably not any plans to touch it within the next decade.

Me too, but I'm more about the enchantments getting an overhaul. Why can't we just enchant multiple of the same item all at once? It wastes my time having to click "Enchant" over and over again.

 

[SheepPun]

I mean, unless I'm blind you can't discard items from your inventory, like as in delete them from the game. I wouldn't even say the inventory system is even complete and yet it needs an overhaul.

 

[NODOGAN]

If we're talking inventory we need flat out an option to either sell all, or an option to select everything you want to sell so you don't have to sell shit INDIVIDUALLY, with the game's speed it becomes a hellish grind just to empty my inventory on day 1 whenever i'm feeling extra-masochist and say "i'm gonna geet everything without using the cheats!" (like seriously i've beaten this game without a single cheat like 10 times in a row, what's wrong with me? why can't i just use buggy and not feel weird?¡)

 

[Aileh200]

I mean, unless I'm blind you can't discard items from your inventory, like as in delete them from the game. I wouldn't even say the inventory system is even complete and yet it needs an overhaul.

The only way to actually discard items is to just drop them off somewhere, like in the alleyway or in the middle of the street. They'll be gone right after you move to a next tile. Doesn't work if it's somewhere like Lilaya's.

 

[tehlemon]

I mean, unless I'm blind you can't discard items from your inventory, like as in delete them from the game. I wouldn't even say the inventory system is even complete and yet it needs an overhaul.

If we're talking inventory we need flat out an option to either sell all, or an option to select everything you want to sell so you don't have to sell shit INDIVIDUALLY, with the game's speed it becomes a hellish grind just to empty my inventory on day 1 whenever i'm feeling extra-masochist and say "i'm gonna geet everything without using the cheats!" (like seriously i've beaten this game without a single cheat like 10 times in a row, what's wrong with me? why can't i just use buggy and not feel weird?¡)

I used to have a program you could run that would read your save file and let you manage your inventory properly. Did everything you'd want. You could set favorites, delete or sell everything, allowed for mass conversion for dying/enchanting, or cheating stuff like add/removing whatever you wanted. Also let you remove any NPCs.

But it wasn't worth keeping it working when basically all of this needs to be completely reworked in game and I haven't been playing much given that we're getting like, one interesting bit of content every nine months while still breaking shit.

Ninja edit: Also, still no updates on the blog. We're right back to where we were last year when Inno just kept disappearing before making some stupid excuse for why nothing has gotten done. Usually claiming that the delays are because she got sucked into something, yet for some reason that thing always released as 90% placeholders... weird.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

Also, still no updates on the blog. We're right back to where we were last year when Inno just kept disappearing before making some stupid excuse for why nothing has gotten done. Usually claiming that the delays are because she got sucked into something, yet for some reason that thing always released as 90% placeholders... weird.

Regardless of whether it is incompetence, ignorance, or laziness that is causing Inno to go back on her word YET AGAIN, I don't think you can say she has gone back to her old ways because nothing has really changed in the first place. I mean, how much content has been added since the last 3.X update that wasn't a placeholder or originally created by one of the modders who could probably damn well create their own team and game and finish a project faster than Inno can complete Lilith's Throne? Aside from a barren new area (as of 4.1.6, I have yet to play a more recent version after hearing about build instabilities and refuse to comment on those changes) and generic, easily forgettable NPC shopkeepers... has Inno really added anything from 4.0 onwards? The only two things that come to mind is the legendary armpit sex and genuinely decent interactions with Meraxis.

Shit hasn't changed for the better at all, it's only gone down hill faster and faster. The bread and circuses provided by the increased update frequency was nice, but now that they have grown stale it finally looks like the small bit of hope they offered never truly existed.

I'd hate to say it, but unless 4.2 is a MASSIVE content drop that is as dense with new activities as one of the previous areas of Dominion and comes out before the end of the month I think its safe to say that Lilith's Throne is finished, one way or another.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

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Just to let everyone know, it is open-source, anyone can add to it. Not defending or condemning developer behavior considering it is free, I don't even play games, just remove DRM and fix stuff.

 

[tehlemon]

Just to let everyone know, it is open-source, anyone can add to it. Not defending or condemning developer behavior considering it is free, I don't even play games, just remove DRM and fix stuff.

It's not actually open-source, the source is just available. It's not an open source license.

As the license.md file says

Although this Project is publicly available, it is not open source software. All Content is under sole ownership and Copyright 2016 Innoxia ([email protected]) all rights reserved.

And I'm not fixing a game for free when the developer, who does a fraction of what the other free contributors do, is making a living off their popularity. I'd rather work on my own projects. I'm not going to fund some lazy fuck's life with my work unless they're also giving me a paycheck.

 

[BaloneyAmone]

I decided to make a list on her progress and breaks from the past 3 years. Feel free to form your own conclusions. Enjoy.

I think it'd be also worth noting how communicative she was during these hiatuses/extended delays. I discovered the game in 2020; did any of those 2018/19 breaks have significant periods of silence? It's been exactly two weeks since we've last heard from her.

 

[throbzombie]

I decided to make a list on her progress and breaks from the past 3 years. Feel free to form your own conclusions. Enjoy.
I put it inside a quote because loooong list is loooong.

Going by the numbers alone, I think the only thing we can take away is that the project is dying. At the rate things are going, by 2023 we'll be getting updates twice a year, if we're lucky.

 

[tehlemon]

I decided to make a list on her progress and breaks from the past 3 years. Feel free to form your own conclusions. Enjoy.
I put it inside a quote because loooong list is loooong.

Hard to really form any conclusions from it without the context of what each update was. And how many updates had place holders. Or how many times the blog was updated with "so I didn't do anything last week." Without knowing how many of those updates after a few weeks/months ended up having everyone respond with "okay, wtf were you doing during that time if this is it?"

Like, wasn't the 0.2.x spam when we were getting constant placeholder updates with helena's quest? Where each update just kind of, was a number?

I'd be more interested in going through and counting her weeks off, but like, no. I'm bored enough to comment here while sitting around, but I'm not *that* bored. Not yet anyways.

I think it'd be also worth noting how communicative she was during these hiatuses/extended delays. I discovered the game in 2020; did any of those 2018/19 breaks have significant periods of silence? It's been exactly two weeks since we've last heard from her.

Almost all of the long pauses between updates also included long pauses between blog updates.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

It's not actually open-source, the source is just available. It's not an open source license.

As the license.md file says



And I'm not fixing a game for free when the developer, who does a fraction of what the other free contributors do, is making a living off their popularity. I'd rather work on my own projects. I'm not going to fund some lazy fuck's life with my work unless they're also giving me a paycheck.

Merely mentioning, src is available and open for tinkering/modifying/extending.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

Is there any chance that we could get the code of that program?

Setting aside the possibility of making it work again, I'd find it really interesting about how you parsed and managed the xml code.

Plenty of XML parsers everywhere, free and quality..

 

[DirtyMare88]

I wonder what her response would be if a group like 8chan weg anon's who took over corruption of champions swooped in, declared "assuming control" and started developing the game on there own. Obviously she could sue, but that's kinda hard to do against an anonymous people online, it would probably just give her an excuse to bail entirely with a pretext to point at.
For all the shit talking I and others do towards her, I still want her to keep making this game, or wish she would anyways. She has (had...) a unique idea and vision for this and I genuinely enjoy this game more than any other weg out there.

But if she isn't gonna do the work then stop sucking her supporters like a tick and announce it already. If she wants out then there is enough of a community around this game that'll keep going (probably faster at this point) without her.
Time to shit or get off the pot.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

I wonder what her response would be if a group like 8chan weg anon's who took over corruption of champions swooped in, declared "assuming control" and started developing the game on there own. Obviously she could sue, but that's kinda hard to do against an anonymous people online, it would probably just give her an excuse to bail entirely with a pretext to point at.
For all the shit talking I and others do towards her, I still want her to keep making this game, or wish she would anyways. She has (had...) a unique idea and vision for this and I genuinely enjoy this game more than any other weg out there.

Why would she have issues with something she expressly allows in her license so long as they don't claim to be The Official fork and don't try to sell it?

 

[Yuno-Chan]

Regardless of whether it is incompetence, ignorance, or laziness that is causing Inno to go back on her word YET AGAIN, I don't think you can say she has gone back to her old ways because nothing has really changed in the first place. I mean, how much content has been added since the last 3.X update that wasn't a placeholder or originally created by one of the modders who could probably damn well create their own team and game and finish a project faster than Inno can complete Lilith's Throne? Aside from a barren new area (as of 4.1.6, I have yet to play a more recent version after hearing about build instabilities and refuse to comment on those changes) and generic, easily forgettable NPC shopkeepers... has Inno really added anything from 4.0 onwards? The only two things that come to mind is the legendary armpit sex and genuinely decent interactions with Meraxis.

Shit hasn't changed for the better at all, it's only gone down hill faster and faster. The bread and circuses provided by the increased update frequency was nice, but now that they have grown stale it finally looks like the small bit of hope they offered never truly existed.

I'd hate to say it, but unless 4.2 is a MASSIVE content drop that is as dense with new activities as one of the previous areas of Dominion and comes out before the end of the month I think its safe to say that Lilith's Throne is finished, one way or another.

I agree with you completely. Inno's updates have been absolute s*** as of late and not sure if anyone remembers this but Inno did mention that with the 4.0 update would make it so you could own businesses in dominion and have your slaves/employees run them. I thought it was a unique idea because I thought there would be all sorts of shenanigan's with them but we're well past that and if you go to the town hall it still says property management will be at 4.0...... Now when the updates mentioned that Inno was going to work on Kitsune questline content I was ok with it because that really caught my interest. However It's been almost a year if not one already (at this point I've stopped keeping track of Inno's updates mostly) and the field content before the Kitsune quests aren't even close to done. Overall I would say this game has practically been abandoned if not completely by Inno