VN Ren'Py Love Dolls [v0.1 Remaster] [Smugger]

[the_fluff]

Well I would like to clarify something. (this isn't to argue but maybe it makes you understand better)

The story is about a corporation that, in the shadows, is capturing girls and turning them into sex dolls. (which are basically sex androids made of humans but mind controlled) Then they will be sold off as sex droids to people.
The current turned girls have scenes in the "years ago" part. Which is before MC is of age and not even introduced yet. He doesn't even know them besides maybe Vanessa who is the sister of his crush. MC has no clue even what is happening.
(since I know nothing of the future this is my best guess) Once the MC figures out this is happening, he will go after the corporation and either turn them back or take them for himself. He might also fail in this depending on your choices hence the bad end.

There are more girls that MC will not even know that will be turned. He only knows a few of them and hates half of them. This is why it is not netorare. Since girls aren't being stolen from him really, but he will steal them eventually if you go for the harem.

This makes it netori not netorare since you steal others girls.

The game isn't also purely about the MC having sex with girls. It rather is a story with sex in it. But the main focus is way more on the story then the sex.

Are they fucked by others before you steal them yes. And if this is not acceptable for you. Sure that is understandable for me. And not a game for you.

I see you're point but if they are Li's I count it as Netorare. Like I said, I wish there was a better tag to get across "I don't want anyone but the MC getting action while I'm playing the game" but there isn't. If they are fucked by others before we steal them that's fine, I care about if they are fucked in the current time frame of the game. An Li is an Li, whether the MC initially likes them doesn't effect whether they are an Li, only whether they're an Li for the game itself matters.

Let me give an example. I'm playing a game and the MC meets an Li in the story, if that Li is not a virgin or has fucked before I meet them, or have years ago sex as you called it. I'm fine with that. But if the Li get's fucked in the current time frame of the game while I'm playing and there's nothing I can do then I would put that under the umbrella of Netorare since there's nowhere else it really fits. And I can agree that it's netori but since we can't stop them form having sex with others in the current time frame of the game I will also put it under netorare because of that. What matter to it being "netorare" is if it's an Li and whether you can stop it that makes it avoidable.

It might have also been how I worded my question. Maybe instead of asking if netorare is avoidable I should have asked something like "Is sex not involving the MC avoidable" maybe that would have been a better question.

 

[the_fluff]

The whole NTR bit needs to go it's real simple
Are the girls that MC can fuck going to be fucked by other guys? Yes if so is it avoidable? Etc. like stop throwing out the word NTR as it just makes it messy.
MC pp go in girl only? Y/N monkey brain ass question.

Honestly, you're right. That's a better way to phrase it.

 

[demello667]

I see you're point but if they are Li's I count it as Netorare. Like I said, I wish there was a better tag to get across "I don't want anyone but the MC getting action while I'm playing the game" but there isn't. If they are fucked by others before we steal them that's fine, I care about if they are fucked in the current time frame of the game. An Li is an Li, whether the MC initially likes them doesn't effect whether they are an Li, only whether they're an Li for the game itself matters.

Let me give an example. I'm playing a game and the MC meets an Li in the story, if that Li is not a virgin or has fucked before I meet them, or have years ago sex as you called it. I'm fine with that. But if the Li get's fucked in the current time frame of the game while I'm playing and there's nothing I can do then I would put that under the umbrella of Netorare since there's nowhere else it really fits. And I can agree that it's netori but since we can't stop them form having sex with others in the current time frame of the game I will also put it under netorare because of that. What matter to it being "netorare" is if it's an Li and whether you can stop it that makes it avoidable.

It might have also been how I worded my question. Maybe instead of asking if netorare is avoidable I should have asked something like "Is sex not involving the MC avoidable" maybe that would have been a better question.

The reason why I wish people would stop calling it Netorare is cause it is not. It is Netori. A lot of people have less issues with Netori then Netorare. So if they see others keep saying the game is netorare it might turn people away that otherwise might like it. And cost us followers.
Now like I said if you do not like seeing the girls being fucked before you steal them then its not your game.
But it falls clearly under the definition of netori since you steal others "LI", otherwise the tag netori would not exist. And I get there are netori games out there where you do not get to see sex with others too. The only part of the game that could be considered netorare is if you do not avoid your crush being captured. Or the bad ending.

This is why I agree with you on the tag of MC only or whatever. I think tags will be revised, so I hope they will take this into account. Since there are people that like MC only action.

We did sent our own new revised tag list to the thread owner. But it hasn't been changed yet.

Also the reason of the reply was so maybe hopefully others see it and give it a try. Btw I do not like netorare either, but I love this game.

 

[the_fluff]

The reason why I wish people would stop calling it Netorare is cause it is not. It is Netori. A lot of people have less issues with Netori then Netorare. So if they see others keep saying the game is netorare it might turn people away that otherwise might like it. And cost us followers.
Now like I said if you do not like seeing the girls being fucked before you steal them then its not your game.
But it falls clearly under the definition of netori since you steal others "LI", otherwise the tag netori would not exist. And I get there are netori games out there where you do not get to see sex with others too. The only part of the game that could be considered netorare is if you do not avoid your crush being captured. Or the bad ending.

This is why I agree with you on the tag of MC only or whatever. I think tags will be revised, so I hope they will take this into account. Since there are people that like MC only action.

We did sent our own new revised tag list to the thread owner. But it hasn't been changed yet.

Also the reason of the reply was so maybe hopefully others see it and give it a try. Btw I do not like netorare either, but I love this game.

Then the post addressing NTR by the dev should be rewritten. When they mean NTR is avoidable, specify its for one one character and specify there will be other Li's getting fucked that will be unavoidable. That's mainly what I'm saying.

If people see "NTR is avoidable" then they expect no Li's fucking others in the time frame of playing the game at the bare minimum. They're gonna see the post say NTR is avoidable play the game see that there's characters having sex that isn't with the MC and those characters are harem candidates and think "The dev lied to me."

That's my point. I'm not saying or demanding the dev should change their game. I'm saying if they're gonna make a post about it then be clearer. The post doesn't make it clear that you the Li's you steal will be fucked while you're playing and it won't be avoidable for most of them. I'm saying the post should be rewritten, not the game.

 

[demello667]

Then the post addressing NTR by the dev should be rewritten. When they mean NTR is avoidable, specify its for one one character and specify there will be other Li's getting fucked that will be unavoidable. That's mainly what I'm saying.

If people see "NTR is avoidable" then they expect no Li's fucking others in the time frame of playing the game at the bare minimum. They're gonna see the post say NTR is avoidable play the game see that there's characters having sex that isn't with the MC and those characters are harem candidates and think "The dev lied to me."

That's my point. I'm not saying or demanding the dev should change their game. I'm saying if they're gonna make a post about it then be clearer. The post doesn't make it clear that you the Li's you steal will be fucked while you're playing and it won't be avoidable for most of them. I'm saying the post should be rewritten, not the game.

Well since we do not consider that NTR and a lot of others do not either. There would be no need to. Since it is netori not netorare. Just cause some do it doesn't mean that it is. It is in it's definition netori since you steal others LI.
We could add a disclaimer maybe that even though it is netori, girls you end up with will get fucked before you steal them so at the point they become your LI that is the moment they are already fucked. But since they will not get fucked the moment they become your LI it is not netorare. I will discuss this. The dev is on easter break though so it has to be done after the weekend.

So yes this makes NTR avoidable if you do not go for the bad ending. (though most people will prolly not go for bad ending or at least aim to)(specially since when you say NTR people always go straight to thinking of netorare)

 

[the_fluff]

Well since we do not consider that NTR and a lot of others do not either. There would be no need to. Since it is netori not netorare. Just cause some do it doesn't mean that it is. It is in it's definition netori since you steal others LI.
We could add a disclaimer maybe that even though it is netori, girls you end up with will get fucked before you steal them so at the point they become your LI that is the moment they are already fucked. But since they will not get fucked the moment they become your LI it is not netorare. I will discuss this. The dev is on easter break though so it has to be done after the weekend.

So yes this makes NTR avoidable if you do not go for the bad ending. (though most people will prolly not go for bad ending or at least aim to)(specially since when you say NTR people always go straight to thinking of netorare)

Yes, that's what I've been asking, that you put a disclaimer that Li's while you're playing the game will be fucked. I'm not talking about Flashbacks or fucked in the past, I mean the current timeline of the game if they get fucked. Also an Li is an Li the moment they're in the game not later or before. An Li is either an Li or not an Li. There's no in-between.

What umbrella should "An Li has sex with other characters during the game." If not Netorare, what other tag could that be close to. Like I said, it would be great if there was one, but there isn't. Netorare is the closest thing.

 

[the_fluff]

That's wrong. people you don't know cannot be LI until you get to know them. Also it is not really LI on harem ending. Since the definition of a LI is that they need to have affection for you and love dolls don't neither do you to them.

Does the MC fuck them and/or get with them at any point in the game? If the answer is yes then they are an Li for the sake of clarity in these types of games.

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the whole premise and the MC doesn't fuck anyone else except his crush.

 

[demello667]

Does the MC fuck them and/or get with them at any point in the game? If the answer is yes then they are an Li for the sake of clarity in these types of games.

At the end. That is when they become your LI. Before they are the LI of their owners. Also what tag is it? Netori simple very simple.


NTR is short for Netorare and that's the act of someone stealing the loved one(s) from the (passive) protagonist. The opposite of NTR/Netorare is called Netori, where the protagonist actively steals the loved ones away.
straight from the dictionary.

 

[the_fluff]

At the end. That is when they become your LI. Before they are the LI of their owners. Also what tag is it? Netori simple very simple.


NTR is short for Netorare and that's the act of someone stealing the loved one(s) from the (passive) protagonist. The opposite of NTR/Netorare is called Netori, where the protagonist actively steals the loved ones away.
straight from the dictionary.

At any point if a character becomes an Li they are an Li overall in the game, otherwise they're not an Li. Not being in a relationship doesn't make a character not an Li.

So the MC only interacts with them at the end? Is the MC gonna get any sexual content or will it only be other people.

 

[demello667]

At any point if a character becomes an Li they are an Li overall in the game, otherwise they're not an Li. Not being in a relationship doesn't make a character not an Li.

So the MC only interacts with them at the end? Is the MC gonna get any sexual content or will it only be other people.

Some he will only at the end yes. Since he doesn't even know most of them as I said before. He won't get only action at the very end. But the fact that they are a LI of the protagonist from the start is wrong. This is why the tag Netori exists. It is to steal away the LI from some1 else and they become your LI.

 

[the_fluff]

Some he will only at the end yes. Since he doesn't even know most of them as I said before. He won't get only action at the very end. But the fact that they are a LI of the protagonist from the start is wrong. This is why the tag Netori exists. It is to steal away the LI from some1 else and they become your LI.

I don't agree. From the moment a game starts Li's are established. Li's are characters that you can get with in these types of games whether it's just sex or romance at any point in the game. They are an Li for the game itself.

They could be an Li that fucks other people, but that is still an Li. They can become partners and start a relationship with the MC and Officially be with the MC but even before that point they were Li the I stands for Interest not in a relationship. An Li can already be in a relationship with the MC but an Li can also not be in one with yet and still be an Li.

Not arguing if it isn't or isn't Netorare anymore by the way. I do agree it's mostly netori but there's no other umbrella to put the Li's fuck others characters other than netorare.

 

[Kazandra]

Some he will only at the end yes. Since he doesn't even know most of them as I said before. He won't get only action at the very end. But the fact that they are a LI of the protagonist from the start is wrong. This is why the tag Netori exists. It is to steal away the LI from some1 else and they become your LI.

You should leave it. Just cause someone wants to change meanings around does not mean they are right. Something means the same no matter if it's in the game or not.

 

[the_fluff]

You should leave it. Just cause someone wants to change meanings around does not mean they are right. Something means the same no matter if it's in the game or not.

I'm not even asking then to change anything in the game. What are you talking about? I'm saying make it clear that Li's will be getting fucked during the current time frame of the game. I legitimately think thats a clarification that should be made.

Not asking or demanding they change anything in the game. Just suggestion they rewrite the post the dev made regarding NTR.

 

[the_fluff]

Some he will only at the end yes. Since he doesn't even know most of them as I said before. He won't get only action at the very end. But the fact that they are a LI of the protagonist from the start is wrong. This is why the tag Netori exists. It is to steal away the LI from some1 else and they become your LI.

Let me say it like this instead. You're playing an RPG game where you can have companions join your party. There is a point where they officially join your party but even before that they are considered "companion characters" for the game itself because they can become companions. That's what I'm talking about. That's their classification in the game.

 

[the_fluff]

Also i think because I kept bringing up Netorare that it looks like the fact that Li's will be fucking other characters was a deal breaker for me, it's not. I like Netori and for the sake of Netori I would be fine with Li's having those scenes as long as we the player actually get scenes of us stealing them. My point was that in the post about NTR that the Dev made, they should specify that there will be unavoidable sex scenes not involving the MC. I legitimately think that would be a good thing to put.

I actually had two other questions that are my actual deal breakers but I didn't get a chance to ask them since we went domw this back to back arguing over what is and isn't an Li.

So my questions. What will be the ratio of MC sex scenes to non-mc sex scenes, especially related to maledom. Because if there is significantly more non-mc scenes compared to MC scene then that would be a deal breaker. And with Maledom, again I wish there was a tag that helped with it being MCcentric because I see maledom and I expect it to be from the MC not other male characters.

And my other question for the Netori and harem endings. Will the MC be actually taking initiative and taking action. Like actively try to steal them. Like if he sees an Li get fucked will he be like "That should be me, not that fucker." Or something like that. And then take steps towards it or will he just be like "Whatever." And then just randomly get a harem. Cause I like my MC's to actually want the Li's and a Harem if its an option to get a harem.

 

[demello667]

Also i think because I kept bringing up Netorare that it looks like the fact that Li's will be fucking other characters was a deal breaker for me, it's not. I like Netori and for the sake of Netori I would be fine with Li's having those scenes as long as we the player actually get scenes of us stealing them. My point was that in the post about NTR that the Dev made, they should specify that there will be unavoidable sex scenes not involving the MC. I legitimately think that would be a good thing to put.

I actually had two other questions that are my actual deal breakers but I didn't get a chance to ask them since we went domw this back to back arguing over what is and isn't an Li.

So my questions. What will be the ratio of MC sex scenes to non-mc sex scenes, especially related to maledom. Because if there is significantly more non-mc scenes compared to MC scene then that would be a deal breaker. And with Maledom, again I wish there was a tag that helped with it being MCcentric because I see maledom and I expect it to be from the MC not other male characters.

And my other question for the Netori and harem endings. Will the MC be actually taking initiative and taking action. Like actively try to steal them. Like if he sees an Li get fucked will he be like "That should be me, not that fucker." Or something like that. And then take steps towards it or will he just be like "Whatever." And then just randomly get a harem. Cause I like my MC's to actually want the Li's and a Harem if its an option to get a harem.

Since I am back from my easter break, let me try to answer to the best of my abilities.

Both questions cannot really be answered for a good reason before we are accused of tip-toeing again. (not saying that was you btw)
The game is very story-based, and therefore, nobody knows the answers to most of the future stuff since that would be spoilers. I do not even know the answers to these questions, and if I don't know, there is a huge chance that it would be too much of a spoiler.

The story is also unique in its own way and does not follow the MC as much as in most other stories. In 0.1, he barely even is in scenes. Therefore, a lot of scenes with others will be seen. It is more like a cinematic experience than following the MC constantly.

The harem thing I can only guess with my own theory, which is that your choices lead you to be the good guy and save all the girls from their Love Doll lives and end up with your crush only. Or be the bad guy and decide to keep the Love Dolls for yourself, which means you will not turn them back and just decide to keep the Love Dolls as your personal toys.

And to answer your post above that. In a RPG if they are companions of another party, they are not your companion until you steal them and they get to be part of your party and become your companion. This is why I say it's not netorare but netori. We never talked about love interest characters, but love interests itself, and I still do not agree using the term love interest in the game anyways but your crush, I asked around with people who actually played the game and everyone agrees with me love dolls are not love interests.

 

[the_fluff]

Since I am back from my easter break, let me try to answer to the best of my abilities.

Both questions cannot really be answered for a good reason before we are accused of tip-toeing again. (not saying that was you btw)
The game is very story-based, and therefore, nobody knows the answers to most of the future stuff since that would be spoilers. I do not even know the answers to these questions, and if I don't know, there is a huge chance that it would be too much of a spoiler.

The story is also unique in its own way and does not follow the MC as much as in most other stories. In 0.1, he barely even is in scenes. Therefore, a lot of scenes with others will be seen. It is more like a cinematic experience than following the MC constantly.

The harem thing I can only guess with my own theory, which is that your choices lead you to be the good guy and save all the girls from their Love Doll lives and end up with your crush only. Or be the bad guy and decide to keep the Love Dolls for yourself, which means you will not turn them back and just decide to keep the Love Dolls as your personal toys.

And to answer your post above that. In a RPG if they are companions of another party, they are not your companion until you steal them and they get to be part of your party and become your companion. This is why I say it's not netorare but netori. We never talked about love interest characters, but love interests itself, and I still do not agree using the term love interest in the game anyways but your crush, I asked around with people who actually played the game and everyone agrees with me love dolls are not love interests.

Then I guess we just straight disagree. It happens, that's life. Love interests and love interest characters are the same in my book, so we just disagree. I agree that it's Netori but I also believe that when people ask if netorare is avoidable they also mean is the MC gonna be the only one getting scenes. In the eyes of most, an MC not getting a scene is a sharing and/or netorare scene. That's me. We'll just disagree. If I can fuck them in these types of games then they're an Li and I don't like to see them fucking others unless there's a satisfying reasoning behind it. That's me and we just disgree. They are still classified as companion in the game, I don't see how your answer disproves my point.

Anyways. The fact other characters besides the MC will be getting scenes isn't really the deal breaker for me. But if the MC is gonna be sidelined for content then the game is probably just not for me. Which is fine, not every game is for everyone. I wish the dev luck. But I really do think that in the "Regarding the future of NTR" post that there should be a disclaimer that there will be unavoidable scenes not involving the MC. I legitimately think that would be a good idea if the dev is going to make a post like that in the first place. I'm not arguing whether it's netorare or not here. I just really think it would be a good disclaimer to put.

 

[Eliza12]

This fluff dude thinks a girl existing in the game makes heir a LI. No point in arguing with him, he is incapable of understanding the most basic concepts and words.

 

[Fitharia]

This fluff dude thinks a girl existing in the game makes heir a LI. No point in arguing with him, he is incapable of understanding the most basic concepts and words.

It still fun to see how some people can get angry over a game/VN. It like a good book and people keep identify them as one of the characters, exact like that they do in games and Vn's and get pissed if it not go like they hoped.