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Nobody is honestly expecting Angela to be added at this point. That was shot down in the dev's last tantrum here.
Ren'Py Love & Sex Second Base [v24.12.0a] [Andrealphus]
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He has worked with fetishes he at least struggles with, true, for example he gave it as a reason why he never expanded on femdom content beyond a few early characters.
However, I see no reason in this discussion to doubt the truthfulness of that he is saying "No Angela" is because of his own likes. As you yourself say, there is a fan favorite gone which can only hurt him. Also, even though having two step-related characters may be marginally more obvious than only one, I would think it doesn't change that much and doesn't really reduce the risk of losing Patreon as a stream of income. So from an economic perspective "No Angela" doesn't make sense. And I don't really see any other viable perspective why he would do so apart from "that's my decision" - regardless of whether he ever thought otherwise. After all, there will be (almost) no game where everything originally intended was implemented for whatever reason, and people change opinions sometimes for no reason at all, so him maybe wanting to do it at some point in the past doesn't mean that he doesn't tell the truth when he says that now he just doesn't want to do it.
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She was a stepmother all the time I think. At least it wasn't a recent change even though it may not originally have been officially confirmed, and certainly predates Andrealphus' statements, so sorry to disappoint, but that is unlikely. People already found clues about it at least two years ago, and I gotta admit, I doubted them at the time, until proven otherwise.
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As I said, it would change things significantly if you add into the equation timeline. Minami is already in the game and she's not new. Therefore removing her content would pretty time consuming, buggy, a tremendous waste of already spent resources and could cause patrons to leave. Whereas with Patreon, the bulk of risk has largely already been incurred. And since he does not update her anymore outside of bugfixes, they're not as likely to notice.
With Angela, he would have to do regular updates to the character to get her up to par with other characters. And every update that fills his feed would come with risk that patreon finally flags it. So pulling the "artistic choice" card is the most optimal way to keep both camps off his back.
And there is obviously reasons to doubt his claim given how inconsistent it is with Minami and how he had already shown clear intentions before patreon became more strict. Call me crazy, but I think occam's razor here is simply a small PR lie than a sudden unsolicited unexplained unpopular change of heart from a person who's comfortable writing outside his kinks.
I'm open to other theories as to what "changed his heart", but imo Patreon is still the leading theory despite his angry yet oddly still always vague "just didn't want, shut up" claims. Especially since that would also explain why it's such a sore spot.
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It's a shame that Angela is such an interesting and beautiful character to the point where the SON himself says: "Wow, my mother is beautiful", I think that if from the beginning she had been an ugly, old and wrinkled woman, no one would have been interested in her , and it's funny that she exists to support Minami's story and to have her own plot, but both characters were abandoned by Andrealphus, just like Cherie lol. In fact, abandoning characters and concepts happens a lot, like when it was said that there would be a focus on some point between Mike and other guys in the game, that there would be gay scenes and even there are ready-made arts of Mike running on the beach naked with Dwayne, Shawn, Jack and etc, but again, nothing so far.
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If we take the timeline into account however, Minami wasn't that far developed back in the day as she is now either. I think we only had some early date like experiences which still could be stopped.
And I still don't see your "Occam's Razor" point because, assuming it is not what he wants, who would this "small PR lie" be directed at? The players/customers? They want Angela, if he doesn't deliver then why take the blame himself and not blame the mighty company - wouldn't him being unable to deliver instead of not wanting to deliver give him a better standing with them? Patreon? They would not care about some brown nosing on page 789 of some pirating forum or even on Twitter. I still don't see anything to gain for Andrealphus by saying "it's my personal decision". That's precisesly the "unsolicited unexplained unpopular change of heart" you say he wants to avoid with this.
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I've just restarted playing the game since I bought it on steam, but apparently there's a bit of drama going on? What's happening to the development of the game? Is it patreon/payment processing company that once again twist the arms of artists/developers?
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Very much so. Patreon are the new Puritans.
Be aware there is now a publicly released 24.7.0d.
Changelog:
24.7.0d:
Feature:
- Breemc victor birthday date [1ev]
- Dialogue self-voicing
- Lose lp/kp after 1 week
- Self-voicing to phonecall
Fix:
- Birthday dates characters placement
- Date angela beach
- Date skip_nightclub once more
- Halloween interactions
- Hanna repay delay
- Hide map activities during events
- Lose lp/kp week above easy difficulty
- Random music always on
- Sasha referring to events that did not happen in her texts
Changelog:
24.7.0d:
Feature:
- Breemc victor birthday date [1ev]
- Dialogue self-voicing
- Lose lp/kp after 1 week
- Self-voicing to phonecall
Fix:
- Birthday dates characters placement
- Date angela beach
- Date skip_nightclub once more
- Halloween interactions
- Hanna repay delay
- Hide map activities during events
- Lose lp/kp week above easy difficulty
- Random music always on
- Sasha referring to events that did not happen in her texts
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PR stands for public relations so yes of course the players. It's far worse to admit you neutered your project and cut out a planned fan favorite character for patreon than it is to simply say that it's not part of your vision for the game. People would not simply blame Patreon if it was the former, they would in fact more strongly pressure him for at least the common workarounds. Whereas artistic vision there isn't really anything to be done.
And minami is listed as one of the few demo characters and is of those that has more substantial VA work, she was obviously one of the first conceived and far enough along to where you can't just delete her or even significantly alter her without issues. It's not comparable, there's obviously too much public to put that genie back in the bottle.
Mind you, we are the ones that needed to snoop out the fact that he had a change of hearts. The idea that he's been perfectly forthright is already not on the table. It's largely just the true intent behind the obfuscation that is being discussed.
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Because of the way this game is set up theres no saves that'll give you everything. Also many of the events are one time only so you'll miss out on most of the game if there was a save like that.
Is it still listed as available in the story tracker? If so then you should do what it says there, if not then you'll have to reload an earlier save. Make sure to click the spoilers button so when you hover over it in the tracker, itll say exactly what to do. I believe you can talk to Sam to schedule a new meeting with the two of them. It would be one of the topics you can talk to her about, and not from the asking on a date option.
A lot of the drama here is more about the dev/the development of the game as opposed to the game itself. Mainly just differing opinions on how its monetized and if certain things should of been included and why they weren't.
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I am not sure about that though. There are many games out here where it was made clear from day 1 that "X is not going to happen because my decision" or "this game will be developed in Y way" and people drone on and on - often in cases of incest like here. On the other hand it should be well known by now that most of the "common workarounds" just don't work that well. E. g. Subscribestar is not just "Patreon but with less restrictions", most of all it is way smaller in will generate way less revenue, never mind regular reports of payment problems. The common "Oh, no, my game doesn't contain incest, that's just some random fan patch" is also fooling nobody when push comes to shove, especially when platforms do have a certain leeway in cases of doubt which you will not realistically be able to challenge. So I would say "blame the other guy" is in doubt the better option in most cases. Of course the best course of action is telling it like it is to avoid inconsistencies.
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