VN Ren'Py Lust Haven Island! Forbidden Shores [Intro Rework] [Roze]

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Hentai_Desu-ka?

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Well, this scene looks plausible, I would expect a girl to storm out without hearing anything. I just miss the details that led to this point - she went to some abstract sauna, Nick suddenly left to sauna as well, the MC not questioning about sauna at all, no single picture of that sauna. Too quick and too superficial.
I would also expect a girl to storm off, but at the same time, Yumi doesn't come off as someone who would do that on the fly unless she had already cheated which changes the situation a bit because in real life when a woman cheats, she intentionally seeks out to find proof that her man is cheating as justification for her cheating and when she finds even the slightest hint of possibly cheating she will lash out and start blaming him.

So that's the only thing we can assume that happened, without visual proof that this had happened.

On the other hand, we can only assume that she had just walked in and witnessed for herself Poppy putting the moves on Kai and planting a kiss on him, so it's not as detailed to note yet that she walked in on them already kissing, because the kiss literally seemed to happen within the span of less than a second and then was immediately broken. So she had to have taken a few steps in, caught Kai talking some random girl up at the bar and decided to watch and/ or eavesdrop. So If we're to assume that that's the case, that reaction even further makes no sense for her to storm out. Instead what most girls in that situation does, is immediately approach and get all hostile against the woman, not the man whom clearly did nothing other than sit there all drunk in a stupor. Yumi should've went all ballistic on Poppy to get all territorial over Kai. Instead she storms out and for some reason decides the best way to get back at Kai for Poppy kissing him is to find and hook up with Leon, someone she had just met and happens to be her boyfriends older brother, that same night. Both situations make no sense.

I know we don't have any confirmation that Yumi slept with Leon, that it was all supposedly Kai's imagination running wild, but that situation escalated way too fast to get to that point when there was no escalation picking up to it, it's not like Yumi had enough encounters (Day 1) where she's witnessing and suspecting that Kai is cheating on her by witnessing other girls being around Kai to be suspicious of to begin with, and that this moment was THE moment that broke the camels back for her to storm off and suddenly decide that she's going to lie to Kai about sleeping with Izzy just to go running to Leon and staying at his pod.

I didn't find that forced. On the contrary, that's a very typical reaction after the fight, questioning yourself whether you overreacted, especially when the loved one storms out.
No I'm talking about in the heat of the argument like as soon as he starts speaking his mind to argue his points to her, the second she "stands up" for herself to argue back firing off on him, he instantly caves and immediately starts trying to backpedal. In that moment I'm saying that feels forced. After the argument is where he sits in the pod in silence lamenting and blaming himself, which also feels forced. Kai does not come off as someone who is stupid/ dense or irrational, it's perfectly reasonable for a boyfriend to freak out and try to understand or make sense of the situation because that scene where she just throws off her clothes almost without question or a second thought made that scene seem like she was expecting it and had been looking forward to this situation the whole time.

At no point in the beginning did we get any inner-monologue from Yumi saying how thrilled or excited she is about going to a Nudist Resort and that information somehow escapes Kai whom is supposed to be depicted as the one in the group who's the most "shocked" by this revelation. While at the same time, Yumi has the nerve to react the way she did instead of understanding Kai's perspective as if she somehow knew that Kai knew that this was a Nudist Beach Resort but she is obviously mistaken?

That's why the fights between the two feel forced. A Nudist Beach plot device explaining to introduce this "Shock Tension" doesn't help much when that shock tension is only applied to Kai. Both Nick and Izzy should've been equally shocked, and most of all Yumi. How can Kai, whom seems to come off as a reasonably intelligent person, be the only one out of the loop and not know that the tickets that Nick and Izzy gave him were for the Site B Nudist side of the Resort? I'm just wondering if there was something I missed. Either Nick was plotting this situation the entire time and didn't tell Kai (his best buddy bromance) that he was planning a trip to a Nudist Beach Resort Site B, or they all didn't have any idea which means all four of them should've been "Shocked" by it, regardless of how Nick and Izzy are explained away as just being "Wild" like that where in Kai's mind rationalizes that it "makes sense" for them.

In a previous discussion (while they're all on the double date and afterwards alone in the bedroom discussing it), Yumi admits she has a fetish for being looked at, and then she explains to Kai what she means by that, and then later Kai exclaims to Nick that he's okay with dudes looking at Yumi so long as nobody touches. So it should've made even more sense to Yumi especially for why he's suddenly "shocked" when she bares it all with seemingly no hesitation.

I don't know. So like I said before, I'm gonna give this a few months of updates to solidify my opinion. Either way my opinion I don't want it to matter or influence the Dev in any way I want the Dev to make them game they initially envision. I'm just letting my nerd poindexter to heavily rack my mind. I like and appreciate a good story to accommodate with good visuals and I feel like this VN could be one of them. So maybe I've overly exaggerating a concern and being completely unnecessary voice.
 

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she intentionally seeks out to find proof that her man is cheating as justification for her cheating and when she finds even the slightest hint of possibly cheating she will lash out and start blaming him.

So that's the only thing we can assume that happened
Not necessarily. They had already fought earlier, so her nerves weren't settled. The situation with Poppy just ignited her inner turmoil, pushing her further away from him. That explains why she stormed out instead of going enraged over Poppy. However, your assumption is also perfectly valid, she might be up to something, although that goes against her prude behavior at home.

and that this moment was THE moment that broke the camels back for her to storm off and suddenly decide that she's going to lie to Kai about sleeping with Izzy just to go running to Leon and staying at his pod.
My assumption, once Yumi's lie was revealed, was that she simply didn't want to make Kai suffer from the thought of her staying at Leon's. She may have just not wanted to bother Izzy and Nick with her issues. At this stage, she has no intentions hurting Kai. My only problem is that she's walking around naked during such tense emotional situations as if nothing has happened. This whole situation with the requirement to be 24/7 nude at the Site B is a bit of a stretch.

How can Kai, whom seems to come off as a reasonably intelligent person, be the only one out of the loop and not know that the tickets that Nick and Izzy gave him were for the Site B Nudist side of the Resort? I'm just wondering if there was something I missed.
I may have missed something, but my understanding is that no one in the group was aware of Site B. Their reactions felt natural based on how their characters were built: Izzy and Nick are liberated and easygoing, with no issues going nude, while Yumi, despite some reservations, is generally open to new experiences. Kai is the only one who seems conservative. My only wish is that Yumi hadn't gone nude so quickly; a bit more dialogue and persuasion from Izzy would have made it more believable.
 

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My assumption, once Yumi's lie was revealed, was that she simply didn't want to make Kai suffer from the thought of her staying at Leon's. She may have just not wanted to bother Izzy and Nick with her issues. At this stage, she has no intentions hurting Kai. My only problem is that she's walking around naked during such tense emotional situations as if nothing has happened. This whole situation with the requirement to be 24/7 nude at the Site B is a bit of a stretch.
Honestly I don't think Kai in that situation should've at all gotten up to try and find her, and in fact if anything, Izzy should've at least attempted to cover for her friend Yumi and said "Yeah she's here but she doesn't want to see you" and ultimately ends up turning Kai away promising to help cool her down to see him in the morning, (meanwhile inwardly Izzy stating to herself that Yumi owes her more than just an explanation later for covering for her, but also Yumi owes Izzy a favor).

Now, maybe I'm just being a stick in the mud and making too big of a deal out of small inconvenient plot holes for a porn VN, but I still like and want some coherent consistency if that makes sense.

I may have missed something, but my understanding is that no one in the group was aware of Site B. Their reactions felt natural based on how their characters were built: Izzy and Nick are liberated and easygoing, with no issues going nude, while Yumi, despite some reservations, is generally open to new experiences. Kai is the only one who seems conservative. My only wish is that Yumi hadn't gone nude so quickly; a bit more dialogue and persuasion from Izzy would have made it more believable.
Izzy and Nick. again, being "explained away" that they are liberated, easygoing & "Wild" individuals, does not immediately explain anything in this situation. All four of them. I must stress that, Kai, Yumi, Nick, and Izzy. All four of them MUST BE EQUALLY SHOCKED by this revelation. It makes no sense why Kai is the ONLY one of the four who is "shocked". This gives off the impression that 3/4 of the group as a whole, that only 1/4 of the fraction, was out of the loop. The other 3/4, KNEW they were going to a Nudist Beach Resort and KNEW that the part of the Beach Resort that was the Nudist Section of the Resort was Site B.

The impression this gives off is that this obviously presents as a narrative that Nick, Izzy, and Yumi were all already mentally prepared for it ahead of time.

Here's how I can imagine this scenario going down. IF the Dev decides to rewrite the intro again.

Scenario; Yumi MUST CONFIDE with Izzy, or Nick, or BOTH, requesting for help on how she can get Kai to either stop being so reserved/ conservative because she wants to be ravished and pounced on like a predator just caught its prey and just absolutely manhandle her on the daily. So, Izzy in this scenario possibly would go to Nick and they cook up this Nudist Beach Resort and specifically intentionally obtained the Site B Reservations. They then go back to Yumi with their plan to help her out (and because Nick is Kai's Bestest Buddy Bromance) wants to help Kai break out of his lazy boring conservative/ reserved sex life because they want to help Yumi embrace her "Slut for Kai" sexuality.

Otherwise I would simply rewrite the introduction from scratch that once they all make it to the Nudist Beach Resort, to depict ALL of them as "Shocked" OR, both Nick and Izzy being all like "Oh, didn't I tell ya (Nick speaking to Kai)? We reserved a reservation to the Site B Nudist Side of the Resort", shocking BOTH Kai and Yumi. Kai and Yumi should then be equally shocked and be depicted as Kai (Players being given a choice here) to either embrace this mistaken albeit reluctantly, or Kai attempting to request to trade his & Yumi's tickets for a Site A reservation (with Yumi inwardly expressing a hint of disappointment but ultimately quietly supporting Kai's attempt at the decision to trade his & Yumi's Site B tickets for a Site A ticket, and then expressing a slight ounce of shy relief that they cannot simply trade the tickets away that easily).

That scenario would make a fair bit of more sense to those of us who enjoy reading along with having visuals.
 

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Scenario; Yumi MUST CONFIDE with Izzy, or Nick, or BOTH, requesting for help
Since this event is supposed to happen at the beginning of the story, it will not have the desired effect because the characters are not yet developed. It will look forced and give Yumi a slutty aura right from the start, which is completely unnecessary at that stage if you're aiming for a strong emotional NTR.

Otherwise I would simply rewrite the introduction from scratch that once they all make it to the Nudist Beach Resort, to depict ALL of them as "Shocked"
Alright, yes, all of them being shocked would be a good adjustment, but I wouldn't go to the extent of rewriting the entire plot. I'd be happy enough to see more elaborate dialogue, emotions, and negotiations once they hear the rules for Site B.
As for Yumi, it would make sense for her to reach an agreement with Kai to wear bottoms only for the time being, while Kai stays in his swimming trunks. She could eventually go nude, with or without Kai's consent, but that should happen more gradually.
Besides, I've noticed Kai is always positioned to hide his private parts from the players. Having him wear trunks while the others decide to go nude or topless would, therefore, play out more naturally than the current scenario where he's feeling extremely awkward and out of place.
 
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Since this event is supposed to happen at the beginning of the story, it will not have the desired effect because the characters are not yet developed. It will look forced and give Yumi a slutty aura right from the start, which is completely unnecessary at that stage if you're aiming for a strong emotional NTR.
Well as the game stands currently, it feels like we're starting directly in the middle of a game anyways so it wouldn't feel as forced in my opinion. I get what you mean and normally I'd agree, but the moment they all get on the island makes it go from 0 to 100. It's understandable that the Dev wants the duration of the game to have a week-long vacation to an end, so this places a limit on a lengthy corruption game so it might as well go ahead and let readers assume that Yumi is already a corrupted whore but she's just afraid because her boyfriend is conservative, she loves him, but Kai is "too reserved" for her to feel satisfied sexually.

So generally the problem is that the story is about a week-long vacation and there's no corruption process currently so it makes sense that Yumi would present herself to the players that she's sexually unsatisfied. Putting an in-game time limit for the story development becomes a problem for short games.

Alright, yes, all of them being shocked would be a good adjustment, but I wouldn't go to the extent of rewriting the entire plot. I'd be happy enough to see more elaborate dialogue, emotions, and negotiations once they hear the rules for Site B.
As for Yumi, it would make sense for her to reach an agreement with Kai to wear bottoms only for the time being, while Kai stays in his swimming trunks. She could eventually go nude, with or without Kai's consent, but that should happen more gradually.
Besides, I've noticed Kai is always positioned to hide his private parts from the players. Having him wear trunks while the others decide to go nude or topless would, therefore, play out more naturally than the current scenario where he's feeling extremely awkward and out of place.
Agreed and agreed. There's no reason to rewrite the entire plot, just some minor adjustments to consistency to an end that makes the plot make sense. However, it's a porn game, so plot consistency can be sacrificed if the point is to just pump out porn.
 
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I look forward for the updates on this one which hopefully wouldn't be too long [though I'm really more anticipating the NTS updates]
 
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also the answer is still the same, when there's an update, you'll find it in the first page of the thread. GENIUS!
Not really. Sometimes, someone leaks it and it takes time for a site uploader to update the original post with the new version. So it was still a valid question, especially since the OP was still the same and someone could already have had access to the update and might have shared it.
 
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Not really. Sometimes, someone leaks it and it takes time for a site uploader to update the original post with the new version. So it was still a valid question, especially since the OP was still the same and someone could already have had access to the update and might have shared it.
it COULD'VE been a valid question IF asked correctly
1st page has no update, thread has no update and Hentai_Desu-ka? said that the update is only for patreons... so NO UPDATE for us... then what's the meaning of asking something you CANT have? just wait like EVERYONE do (in my language i said "if you have more news then me, good for you"... i look only here because there's no meaning in look what i cant have... people like him shoul learn to be a good person instead of using that tone saying "genius" to someone who dont even know
 

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You're barking up the wrong tree. I don't leak games, but others can do what they want.
I respect it, I would feel cheated if I payed for something that someone else got for free so I get that. Forgive me for asking, this is a piracy site after all. Any interesting development in the new update? Wondering if I should get it, and what type of scenes there are/how long it is. Thanks
 
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