Mafia story concept. Your opinion.

[Syploore]

Hello everyone. I want to know your opinion about the mafia story. I know there are a lot of games that touch on the topic of mafia and organized crime in one way or another.

1. At the moment I am writing a story about a man (the main character) creating a criminal organization from scratch. Guided only by this information, do you think you will like the plot?

2. What is your general opinion of mafia games \ mafia stories in aVN, and what do you think are the disadvantages (regarding only the plot) of these games?

 

[Meaning Less]

do you think you will like the plot?

How will anyone know that without any information about the plot?

 

[Syploore]

How will anyone know that without any information about the plot?

What do u need to know?

I am generally asking about mafia concept. I know many people love college setiing, someone love island \ isolated place concept ( and to someone plot and characters just does not matter somehow ), i just wondering, how many people like or dislike mafia, organized crime concept and why.

 

[Losersriot]

At the moment I am writing a story about a man (the main character) creating a criminal organization from scratch.

You writing a story about GTA or Mafia crap.
It's a porn site, man. Go down the hall.

 

[Syploore]

You writing a story about GTA or Mafia crap.
It's a porn site, man. Go down the hall.

I am trying to create something new. Do u want another "father dead, after long absence i came to my mother and 3 sisters to the house and trying to fuck em all"? I see a bunch of copy-paste games with similar plot. There is a lot of them, and they got me tired. After long time playing this games, i decided to create smth of my own, intresting and new. How bad it can be?

p.s i do not understand how so little information already gave u the "crap" vibe, tbh.

 

[Tauro Thurius]

I really love mafia themed games. I will definitely enjoy any title with such setting. That being said, I can share some stuff that may help you.

The time period is quite important if you want to have a basis for a believable story. Is it in the old school 40's, 80's or post millenium/modern era? If you manage to pinpoint the time then you should start to make some research about how the mob works during that time. Will the story revolve around an Italian/Sicilian Cosa Nostra-'Ndrangheta-Camorra type of organization, Russian Bratva, Irish Mob or even Balkan mob? Where will the story take place? For example:

Let's say in the US, then you should then work on naming the characters according to the timeline. It's very unlikely to be a mobster named Giuseppe during 2000's since most of Italian-Americans have been through Americanization. Nowadays, most of the Italian-Americans have regular "white" American names.

 

[Syploore]

I really love mafia themed games. I will definitely enjoy any title with such setting. That being said, I can share some stuff that may help you.

The time period is quite important if you want to have a basis for a believable story. Is it in the old school 40's, 80's or post millenium/modern era? If you manage to pinpoint the time then you should start to make some research about how the mob works during that time. Will the story revolve around an Italian/Sicilian Cosa Nostra-'Ndrangheta-Camorra type of organization, Russian Bratva, Irish Mob or even Balkan mob? Where will the story take place? For example:

Let's say in the US, then you should then work on naming the characters according to the timeline. It's very unlikely to be a mobster named Giuseppe during 2000's since most of Italian-Americans have been through Americanization. Nowadays, most of the Italian-Americans have regular "white" American names.

I hear u. I've been doing research and I'm still doing it. Thanks for ur input. I appreciate it.

 

[Tauro Thurius]

No problem, my man. Godspeed!

 

[Deleted member 229118]

I love rise to power stories.
Building my own criminal empire would be right up my ally.

As for maffia plots in general.
I can not stand them.
It is often just used as an excuees to get away with crime.
You fucked up.
Just call your boss and he cleans it up for you.
Need to get away with rape, murder, etc.
Dont worry the family is there for you.
And you never need to do anything for them.

Maffia is one of those excuees plots i really grown tired off.
Could it be done?
Sure.
Has it been done well?
No.
To often its just used to justify you getting away with crime.

This did maffia well in my opinion.

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I when to jail to protect my boss.
That is the kind of stuff you expect from the maffia.
Loyalty, Self sarcifice and duty.
It is what makes them more interesting then random gangbangers.
They atleast pretend to be respectful.

 

[Losersriot]

i decided to create smth of my own, intresting and new. How bad it can be?

Games about 'Mafia' - its something 'new' in your opinion?

 

[Losersriot]

This is a porn site. Here games about fights and shootouts between big, agressive, sexy guys are not interesting to anyone.

 

[Syploore]

You can take as a basis a theme that has been used by many and put a good story on it layer by layer. And from the "hackneyed topic" you can make an interesting game.

I'm trying to write a whole story that doesn't consist of 80% porn. And, yes, I know it's a porn site. But I think there are quite a few fans of games with a well-developed plot and interesting events, and not just fucking, fucking and fucking. Of course, this game is for adults, respectively, there will be a lot of sex and 18+ scenes in it. I watch movies, TV series, read literature about organized crime in the United States in order to know what I'm writing about. I want to make a game with an interesting plot, not a solid porn. I think there is a lot of porn on this site.

What can I say at this stage:
1. The game will be episodic. At the release of the game, the entire first episode will be available so that players can simultaneously feel the story, get to know the characters and understand in which direction the game will move.
2. In the game you play as the male protagonist who is building a drug mafia from scratch in the modern world using modern technology. He becomes the boss himself and uses his knowledge to successfully manage his organization.
3. The main character builds his own criminal organization on the ashes of the "classic" Italian-American mafia, adopting the best of the old guard.

I think that's all I can say for now

P.s. English is not my native language, so I could have expressed myself incorrectly somewhere and conveyed my thought incorrectly.
p.s.s The main character is not a superhero and not the luckiest person on the planet, so problems and mistakes are waiting for him on the way to the top.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

do you think you will like the plot?

Not very likely unless you consider yourself to be an exceptional writer. And even then, you considering yourself to be one still doesn't make it an actual fact. Unless you can show us books you wrote before, that sold.
Mafia theme is way too overused like school/academy, and often crap quality due to shit writing skills.
Always bores me to tears.

 

[woody554]

my opinion is they're always so detached from the sex part that the player is bored/frustrated/angry as fuck about the constant force fed mafia plot which no one gives a shit about.

could work with kinks related to power fantasy instead of sex though.

 

[paust.alex]

I don't like criminals because their existence is meaningless, they are useless and pernicious, like parasites, they should not live. I'd rather play as people's avenger who destroys the mafia, kills the mafia bosses and the corrupt officials who cover for them, who think they are immortal and untouchable. Fuck the mafia.
You could make a game where you either just kill all the criminals without trial, or infiltrate their organisation, upset their plans, blackmail their women into serving you, to completely humiliate these bastards. And then you go back home to the family you haven't seen for a long time to fuck your sister/daughter/mother/aunt.

 

[DawnCry]

Personally for a mafia setting what I have always enjoyed the most is the gameplay, a VN doesnt have that which is unfortunate for me.

But well, if you do a VN about it I would rather prefer to feel that my choices matter, characters lie and are manipulative, it shouldnt be so simple as what typically many VN's do of "right choice, wrong choice", if they dont feel like real people then the concept is over.

 

[Geralt_R]

Tastes vary... I would only enjoy a Mafia setting if the MC is not a complete asshole or ruthless psychopath killer. I have played quite a few games where the MC climbs up the ranks of some Mafia clan, which is not exactly the same setting as yours, since apparently the MC in your story will set up his very own organization from scratch, but it's still in very familiar territory and shares many similarities with quite a few other Mafia games on here where the MC climbs up the ranks or will eventually become the boss.

What I would personally prefer is a story about a MC who gets drawn into the Mafia or criminal underworld in general, but who eventually realizes how morally bankrupt these people are and then destroys the clan/organization from the inside while potentially romancing the don's daughter or so who also wants to escape this bleak existence. Another option, less drastic maybe, could be that the MC will try to legitimize the parts of the business that are more or less "legal" (the businesses used for laundering all the illegal money) and get rid of all the nasty stuff like drugs and extortion, protection money etc.

But if the story is well written and the MC at least somewhat likeable a GTA style Mafia story where the MC becomes a big shot in the criminal underworld could be interesting. But it would be nothing new really?

Major disadvantage of these Mafia VNs is that I usually cannot sympathize with criminals and I dislike it that none of the Mafia games I have played give me the option to either quit or to dismantle everything from the inside. It results in some kind of cognitive dissonance where the MC may be alright, but in reality he's still the top dog (eventually) in some nasty criminal organization that hurts other people and thrives on extortion rackets, selling drugs and protection money.

So in short: a Mafia / crime setting is perfectly fine. I just wish it wasn't always the same "become the top dog" story, and instead went the other way with someone becoming wholly disillusioned about the whole thing and then fighting the system from the inside, the MC would probably need some really good FBI friends for that though and then live under witness protection for the rest of his life. Unless you go all John Wick and don't care about realism that much. Which would also be fine. It can still be escapist fun.

 

[hakarlman]

Mafia Setting + Fetishes/Kinks + Good Execution = Win

 

[Syploore]

I see a lot of different opinions. Personally, I have always preferred "criminal" stories with the main character, who is a villain and he knows about it. I always thought people liked the "bad boy" concept.

As for "infiltrating" a criminal organization and destroying it from the inside: I personally do not see a place to host large and significant events. Yes, you can seduce the wife/daughter/sister of the main boss, lure them to your side, but that's it. I don't see such a game as voluminous. I may be wrong about that.

I think the "best" part of my game is the transformation of the characters. You start the game and you will not see how the main character is already the coolest person in the city, a killer and a super boss, and seductive motherfucker who can bang any women he want. You start the game and see a young (relatively) guy who starts his way into life and chooses the wrong turns, which leads him into the world of crime. He will have his mistakes, his ups and downs, problems and personal dissonances, but that's what it means to be human. Yes, he is a criminal, and yes, he does bad things, but it's all necessary (at least, as the main character thinks)

Creating my main character and all the characters around him, I was guided by one principle: they must be alive. The player must believe that there are such people, and that people like them can do this, not just "because the developer said so," but because they are people.

In the end, I will do as I see it and as I think it will be fine. All you have to do is play and tell me if I did well.

This game is primarily not about the mafia, but about criminals. They have their own lives, their own reasons to do what they do, and I hope it will be interesting for you to get to know these characters, and maybe fall in love with them.

p.s I really want to make not a "porn game", but a game with a good story and characters. So that players don't come into the game to masturbate only ( there will be plenty scene's to jerk off ), but to see what happens to the characters, how the story develops and what it all leads to. Maybe I'm blinded by my ambitions and trying to reach something that needs a ladder, and I don't have one. Don't judge me harshly, I am, after all, a human being.

Thoughts?

 

[Tauro Thurius]

Being a mobster doesn't necessarily equals an evil psychopath. You can create complex characters and still include them in a mafia setting. There are some movie and video game titles that had done it. Your character may be a poor kid from Bronx who had no opportunities but being part of the mafia, you may or may not add a redemption arc for this character. He may as well percieve all the "bad" things he does as a simple business. It's all about perception.

In The Sopranos there is a character called Richie Aprile. He was an embodiment of a psychopath/sociopath so much so his mobster friends were afraid of him. Does this make his friends more "good"? Of course not. In real life everything is grey, yet in modern entertainment ( movies, series, video games etc. ) almost everything is either good or bad. That's why it shocks people when they see products like Game of Thrones ( although not a fan of the title I admire its featuring of morally grey characters ).

What I'm trying to say here is don't let people put you off of your dreams. If some people are not mature enough to see complex characters and stories then that's their problem. You do what you enjoy. They can go back and jerk off to their holier-than-thou superhero flicks.