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[MiltonPowers]

This could have been a perfect game if it wasn't for rushed/abrupt ending (leaving many plot holes behind).
I think the game didn’t go the way Dev'd originally planned. A lot of content were removed, most noticeably NTR/voyeur scenes and a bunch of scenes involving the original second MC - James (aka the main villain), some of his scenes are still in the gallery, though.
I played both versions - before and after the remake - so the changes were pretty clear.

The way I see it - the game was supposed to have 2 perspectives/storylines - MC & James.
But, eventually... a lot of James’ content was cut, and the dev wrapped things up quickly, leaving a lot side plots hanging. It’s especially noticeable since the story was the main appeal of the game to me.

We actually discussed this in another thread a while ago, so I'm going off some old notes. Still, it was long ago, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on any of this:

1) There was a rival gang at war with Benjamin's crew (that gang just disappeared at some point)

2) That drug "VICE" and the mastermind behind the secret labs, - why were they distributing free samples to the homeless shelters? And what was the FBI/government’s connection to the VICE experiments? (left unanswered. The FBI agent shows up, grabs the product, and bounces, leaving MC and Zoey wondering WTF just happened (and us too))

3) There was a subplot with Grace's brother who was an addict with debts, the whole reason why Grace became mob's slave (her brother simply died off screen in the middle of chapter 6. And we, as a player - get zero say or closure on Grace’s arc)

4) It was hinted (at least from my perspective) that the receptionist was a mole working for the rival gang against Benjamin's gang (that plot just vanished, and now she's just a side fuck playing no role, not complaining too much though - Cindy’s hot chick )

5) As mentioned, James seemed like he was supposed to be the 2nd MC - the mole inside the police. (mostly his scenes have been removed including scenes where you learned things about Grace past and Benjamin business)

6) Who tipped Benjamin off to have James and Joey killed? (no answer)

7) MC and Zoey’s backstories were set up but never explored. At the beginning MC said he became a cop to make up for something in his past (which is?... nope, left completely unexplored), Zoey said she became a cop to avenge someone from her past (who?)

8) Finally - at the end, it’s revealed that VICE is still being sold elsewhere, which kind of makes you feel like your whole journey amounted to... nothing. This one probably left the bitterest aftertaste.

Overall, the game had a ton of potential. But it’s clear the dev got tired of it and just wanted to wrap things up quickly to move on to their next (more ambitious) project.
That said - I highly recommend With Eyes Closed. It has a great branching and a much smoother plot (so far). I’m really enjoying it.

Also - solid taste, Zoey’s my favourite too
Fun detail: during my first natural playthrough (no guides), Grace got killed by Jack

Yep, pretty much all that was never answered. The dev covered the major points, but left a lot of the minor things up to our imagination. I did play it before and took me a while to work out that the James scenes with Betsy were just gone, and I'm pretty sure there used to be a scene where Benjamin molests Grace right in front of you, but that doesn't seem to be there anymore either.

I thought the Zoe one was answered (her father was a cop and killed when she was about 5), so not so much revenge, but honoring his legacy.

Grace died on my main playthrough too.

 

[AlexMpog]

Yep, pretty much all that was never answered. The dev covered the major points, but left a lot of the minor things up to our imagination. I did play it before and took me a while to work out that the James scenes with Betsy were just gone, and I'm pretty sure there used to be a scene where Benjamin molests Grace right in front of you, but that doesn't seem to be there anymore either.

Let me tell you more - James and Grace had a full lewd scene (before the remake). After James gets rid of MC and takes his place in the police force, Benjamin rewards him by offering Grace, who’s basically treated as a sex slave. Benjamin uses her as a whore whenever he needs someone's support. It was optional, of course - after taking control of James, you could choose whether to have sex with Grace (or rather rape her, since she’s clearly not happy about it, so technically it is rape), or you could go to the club and sleep with Betsy instead.
I think this is around the point where people started to complain, which probably led to the dev removing James from the game as MC.

Grace died on my main playthrough too.

Yeah, I missed a few key choices that determined her fate, but with WT on, saving Grace wasn’t a problem.

I thought the Zoe one was answered (her father was a cop and killed when she was about 5), so not so much revenge, but honoring his legacy.

Indeed, I might have missed this one, but now I vaguely remember it
Still, this subplot could have been explored a bit more.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Let me tell you more - James and Grace had a full lewd scene. After James gets rid of MC and takes his place in the police force, Benjamin rewards him by offering Grace, who’s basically treated as a sex slave. Benjamin uses her as a whore whenever he needs someone's support. It was optional, of course - after taking control of James, you could choose whether to have sex with Grace (or rather rape her, since she’s clearly not happy about it, so technically it is rape), or you could go to the club and sleep with Betsy instead.
I think this is around the point where people started to complain, which probably led to the dev removing James from the game as MC.

Yeah, I missed a few key choices that determined her fate, but with WT on, saving Grace wasn’t a problem.

Indeed, I might have missed this one, but now I vaguely remember it
Still, this subplot could have been explored a bit more.

I don't remember the James/Grace, I must have said no and put him on the Betsy path instead.

From my own POV, I liked it much better just playing as MC, and trying to bring James down.

On my Grace path, I had no problem, but on Miranda path I threw Grace under a bus (I had no choice or Miranda dumped me).

 

[AlexMpog]

I don't remember the James/Grace, I must have said no and put him on the Betsy path instead.

From my own POV, I liked it much better just playing as MC, and trying to bring James down.

On my Grace path, I had no problem, but on Miranda path I threw Grace under a bus (I had no choice or Miranda dumped me).

I actually never got an ending with Miranda (only watched the final scene in a gallery), I fucked her at the beginning few times (strictly for science, of course) and that's it. Most of the time I couldn't stand her . (she's a treacherous and manipulative bitch, at least a few people died cause of her ambitions and she still never learned)
Though I admit, her silicone assets (both boobs and ass) were great, and I found her pregnancy kink funny (the scene on the car).

 

[Zorro#34]

This could have been a perfect game if it wasn't for rushed/abrupt ending (leaving many plot holes behind).
I think the game didn’t go the way Dev'd originally planned. A lot of content were removed, most noticeably NTR/voyeur scenes and a bunch of scenes involving the original second MC - James (aka the main villain), some of his scenes are still in the gallery, though.
I played both versions - before and after the remake - so the changes were pretty clear.

The way I see it - the game was supposed to have 2 perspectives/storylines - MC & James.
But, eventually... a lot of James’ content was cut, and the dev wrapped things up quickly, leaving a lot side plots hanging. It’s especially noticeable since the story was the main appeal of the game to me.

We actually discussed this in another thread a while ago, so I'm going off some old notes. Still, it was long ago, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on any of this:

1) There was a rival gang at war with Benjamin's crew (that gang just disappeared at some point)

2) That drug "VICE" and the mastermind behind the secret labs, - why were they distributing free samples to the homeless shelters? And what was the FBI/government’s connection to the VICE experiments? (left unanswered. The FBI agent shows up, grabs the product, and bounces, leaving MC and Zoey wondering WTF just happened (and us too))

3) There was a subplot with Grace's brother who was an addict with debts, the whole reason why Grace became mob's slave (her brother simply died off screen in the middle of chapter 6. And we, as a player - get zero say or closure on Grace’s arc)

4) It was hinted that the receptionist was a mole working for the rival gang against Benjamin's gang (that plot just vanished, and now she's just a side fuck playing no role, not complaining too much though - Cindy’s hot chick )

5) As mentioned, James seemed like he was supposed to be the 2nd MC - the mole inside the police. (mostly his scenes have been removed including scenes where you learned things about Grace past and Benjamin business)

6) Who tipped Benjamin off to have James and Joey killed? (no answer)

7) MC and Zoey’s backstories were set up but never explored. At the beginning MC said he became a cop to make up for something in his past (which is?... nope, left completely unexplored), Zoey said she became a cop to avenge someone from her past (who?)

8) Finally - at the end, it’s revealed that VICE is still being sold elsewhere, which kind of makes you feel like your whole journey amounted to... nothing. This one probably left the bitterest aftertaste.

Overall, the game had a ton of potential. But it’s clear the dev got tired of it and just wanted to wrap things up quickly to move on to their next project.
That said - I highly recommend With Eyes Closed. It has a great branching and a much smoother plot (so far). I’m really enjoying it.

Also - solid taste, Zoey’s my favourite too
Fun detail: during my first natural playthrough (no guides), Grace got killed by Jack

I just reread my post, and it probably sounds a bit like gibberish at times - I’m only on my first cup of coffee, so I’m still half-awake

Like I said on Tony's thread, this is the only undercover game of the 4 I played to get dropped.

Also, the guys: have a lengthy discussion of the game.
Me: dropped it an hour in, because the MC was just acting stupid. I mean, being this awkward around Zoe, and invariably giving in to an obvious provocation... This guy's supposed to be the top of his class tho? Cops get provoked like that every day, how was he gonna work? Be a pencil pusher for his whole career?

 

[Lagunavii]

Like I said on Tony's thread, this is the only undercover game of the 4 I played to get dropped.

Also, the guys: have a lengthy discussion of the game.
Me: dropped it an hour in, because the MC was just acting stupid. I mean, being this awkward around Zoe, and invariably giving in to an obvious provocation... This guy's supposed to be the top of his class tho? Cops get provoked like that every day, how was he gonna work? Be a pencil pusher for his whole career?

That whole provocation set the tone for the game for me. If you're making your MC that stupid just to get pieces in place... Well the rest of the ride can't be good

 

[TonyMurray]

Like I said on Tony's thread, this is the only undercover game of the 4 I played to get dropped.

Also, the guys: have a lengthy discussion of the game.
Me: dropped it an hour in, because the MC was just acting stupid. I mean, being this awkward around Zoe, and invariably giving in to an obvious provocation... This guy's supposed to be the top of his class tho? Cops get provoked like that every day, how was he gonna work? Be a pencil pusher for his whole career?

If I remember rightly, this is the game where the "main" girl (Zoe?) has the tiniest police badge ever, hanging around her neck. That amused me every time I saw it.

 

[AlexMpog]

Like I said on Tony's thread, this is the only undercover game of the 4 I played to get dropped.

Also, the guys: have a lengthy discussion of the game.
Me: dropped it an hour in, because the MC was just acting stupid. I mean, being this awkward around Zoe, and invariably giving in to an obvious provocation... This guy's supposed to be the top of his class tho? Cops get provoked like that every day, how was he gonna work? Be a pencil pusher for his whole career?

Well, the whole discussion is mostly about flaws . The game definitely has plenty of them.
Though I wouldn’t say the rough beginning is the biggest problem, I can totally see your point.

Idiotic behaviour of MCs, combined with that annoying silicone bitch (aka Miranda), drove me nuts too at the beginning. But I kept pushing through regardless. If it had been just another harem game with a ridiculous "collect them all" theme, I would’ve dropped it in a heartbeat the moment it started annoying me. But in this case, I could actually see a real attempt to tell a proper story, so I gave the dev the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, on a paper this project looks terrific (from my perspective) - a mafia and undercover theme (one of my favourite), two different perspectives from both MCs - protagonist and antagonist, lots of mini-plots and story twists. Of course, it could’ve been executed much better…
The way I see it - Dev put a lot of thought into it and had big plans, but when it came to execution - whether cause of his inability to deliver, lack of time, or pressure from the crowd that made him drastically change the course of the game (or maybe all of that combined) - we ended up with what we got .

I think Ker learned from his mistakes though. WEC is much smoother in that regard. My only problem with it - I like side chick way more than main LIs - Camilla is so damn great

Like I said on Tony's thread, this is the only undercover game of the 4 I played to get dropped.

Nice thread, interesting. I think I visited it at some point. I wish I had more time to go through the whole thing though.
And Tony's cards are a peace of art.

 

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[metamorphMP]

Heya, I missed you all! Looks like there has been a lot of interesting stuff while I was away. Got a lot of catching up to do.

Still waiting for your feedback on Kaylah’s route, btw - the one you promised to try

On it, bro

I was on vacation, so I only popped into a few threads now and then, didn't have much of opportunities.
Got plenty of threads to check :


Man, and I'm already upset, I was looking forward to Glade Yandere path and now it's gone

 

[MiltonPowers]

Heya, I missed you all! Looks like there has been a lot of interesting stuff while I was away. Got a lot of catching up to do.


On it, bro

I was on vacation, so I only popped into a few threads now and then, didn't have much of opportunities.
Got plenty of threads to check :
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Man, and I'm already upset, I was looking forward to Glade Yandere path and now it's gone

Out of all the paths Tak dropped that's the one that most people are sad about. I wouldn't be surprised if he kept that one. It was quite different to the other Glade path. Whereas the 3 Lorelei were all pretty much the same, didn't really need 3 of them.

 

[AlexMpog]

Heya, I missed you all! Looks like there has been a lot of interesting stuff while I was away. Got a lot of catching up to do.


On it, bro

I was on vacation, so I only popped into a few threads now and then, didn't have much of opportunities.
Got plenty of threads to check :
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Man, and I'm already upset, I was looking forward to Glade Yandere path and now it's gone

I wasn't very active last week either. I finally decided to play Book 2 (CoBD), but I realised I remembered absolutely nothing from the 1st one - so I ended up starting from scratch. One thing led to another, and it took me almost 6 days to finish all my routes and make cards

Man, and I'm already upset, I was looking forward to Glade Yandere path and now it's gone :

Well, I was upset too, though it probably would've taken an eternity to deliver, so he just faced reality I guess.
And despite being disappointed, I think it's for the best.
You know I love branching in games but it is what it is.

Out of all the paths Tak dropped that's the one that most people are sad about. I wouldn't be surprised if he kept that one. It was quite different to the other Glade path. Whereas the 3 Lorelei were all pretty much the same, didn't really need 3 of them.

Out of all the routes that were left, I’d sacrifice throuple for Glade’s Yandere in a heartbeat

 

[metamorphMP]

Out of all the routes that were left, I’d sacrifice throuple for Glade’s Yandere in a heartbeat

You should suggest this in MT, I'm sure people will appreciate it and you'll get lots of happy DMs - especially from a few very agitated characters who are active in that thread

I have CoBD on my steam, haven't even touched it yet, is it really that good to spend almost a week on (I don't mind spoilers)??

Out of all the paths Tak dropped that's the one that most people are sad about. I wouldn't be surprised if he kept that one. It was quite different to the other Glade path. Whereas the 3 Lorelei were all pretty much the same, didn't really need 3 of them.

Well, I was upset too, though it probably would've taken an eternity to deliver, so he just faced reality I guess.
And despite being disappointed, I think it's for the best.
You know I love branching in games but it is what it is.

He changed a lot of thing in the game compared to how it was when he just released it. Tak was adamant about how his story should go, and then people forced him to change canon path and it was probably the point of no return, then he added 3some even though he claimed his game to be strictly monogamous and now this, I wouldn't be surprised if he added a harem by now. It's sad.

 

[MiltonPowers]

He changed a lot of thing in the game compared to how it was when he just released it. Tak was adamant about how his story should go, and then people forced him to change canon path and it was probably the point of no return, then he added 3some even though he claimed his game to be strictly monogamous and now this, I wouldn't be surprised if he added a harem by now. It's sad.

It wouldn't be very hard to add Kasula to the throuple. (I'm joking of course).

 

[AlexMpog]

You should suggest this in MT, I'm sure people will appreciate it and you'll get lots of happy DMs - especially from a few very agitated characters who are active in that thread

I have CoBD on my steam, haven't even touched it yet, is it really that good to spend almost a week on??

Well, I did enjoy it. Despite all the flaws (game has plenty of them), it's easily the most cinematic VN I've ever played. Top-notch renders with an amazing soundtrack made a fantastic atmosphere.
Don't wan't to spoil much. Just a few thoughts.
1st book was great. The 2nd one, though - especially last 3 chapters - was disappointing (a bit chaotic with little story progress).

I only played routes for two LIs (Victoria & Gloria) out of 4, didn't like other 2 that much.
My biggest issue with the game probably would be the lack of endings with a few other girls, who honestly look more interesting than some LIs.
There are basically 5 endings: 4 solo epilogues for each girl (Victoria, Gloria, Katie, Ellen), and "alone” ending.
If you go man-whore route (aka alone ending), last 3 chapters turn into a nonstop fuck fest. I’d say - about 60-65% of content there is just lewds (all is optional though).
I did like that big quests could be played out differently with real consequences. BTW, 3 girls can die if you screw up through out the game - including one of the main girls.

Can’t speak for other LIs, but on Victoria’s path, you can get plenty of "romantic" scenes especially if you choose to confess your love the 1st opportunity arrives, out of all main girls she is my favourite.

 

[metamorphMP]

I did enjoy it a lot. Despite all the flaws (game has plenty of them), it's easily the most cinematic VN I've ever played. Top-notch renders combined with an amazing soundtrack made a fantastic atmosphere.
Don't wan't to spoil much. Just main stuff.
1st book was great. The 2nd one, though - especially last 3 chapters - was disappointing (a bit chaotic with little story progress).

I only played routes for two LIs (Victoria & Gloria) out of 4, didn't like other 2 that much.
My biggest issue with the game probably would be the lack of endings with a few other girls, who honestly look more interesting than some LIs.
There are basically 5 endings: 4 solo epilogues for each girl (Victoria, Gloria, Katie, Ellen), and "alone” ending.
If you go man-whore route (aka alone ending), last 3 chapters turn into a nonstop fuck fest. I’d say - about 60-65% of content there is just lewds (all is optional though).
I did like that big quests could be played out differently with real consequences. BTW, 3 girls can die if you screw up through out the game - including one of the main girls.

Can’t speak for other LIs, but on Victoria’s path, you can get plenty of "romantic" scenes especially if you choose to confess your love the 1st opportunity arrives, out of all main girls she is my favourite.

I might postpone Law school and wait for it's steam release, I totally forgot about CoBD, it was in a Hidden section where I store games I've already played
And just to be sure, can we do them? :

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Let me tell you more - James and Grace had a full lewd scene (before the remake). After James gets rid of MC and takes his place in the police force, Benjamin rewards him by offering Grace, who’s basically treated as a sex slave. Benjamin uses her as a whore whenever he needs someone's support. It was optional, of course - after taking control of James, you could choose whether to have sex with Grace (or rather rape her, since she’s clearly not happy about it, so technically it is rape), or you could go to the club and sleep with Betsy instead.
I think this is around the point where people started to complain, which probably led to the dev removing James from the game as MC.

I can't remember scene you described at all.
Dev left old scenes in a gallery, right? James/Betsy is there, but there is no James/Grace scene.

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Haven't played last update but I like this game.
Only I find his fetish mechanics a bit unusual, you choose a body part and only get corresponding scene instead of just giving player a choice during every scene. Like if you choose feet once you only get footjobs till the very end I take it

Also, could you guys help me with BADIK please? Before going on vacation, I tried to start Season 3, but there were no saves to import even though I'm sure on 100% I've created import saves at the end of season 2 for my paths.
I played Seasons 1 & 2 years ago and had saves, so I downloaded earlier seasons - the game recognised saves, but they were all marked as incompatible, I couldn't load any.
Do you have any suggestions maybe? MiltonPowers AlexMpog

 

[MiltonPowers]

I might postpone Law school and wait for it's steam release, I totally forgot about CoBD, it was in a Hidden section where I store games I've already played
And just to be sure, can we do them? :

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I can't remember scene you described at all.
Dev left old scenes in a gallery, right? James/Betsy is there, but there is no James/Grace scene.


Haven't played last update but I like this game.
Only I find his fetish mechanics a bit unusual, you choose a body part and only get corresponding scene instead of just giving player a choice during every scene. Like if you choose feet once you only get footjobs till the very end I take it

Also, could you guys help me with BADIK please? Before going on vacation, I tried to start Season 3, but there were no saves to import even though I'm sure on 100% I've created import saves at the end of season 2 for my paths.
I played Seasons 1 & 2 years ago and had saves, so I downloaded earlier seasons - the game recognised saves, but they were all marked as incompatible, I couldn't load any.
Do you have any suggestions maybe? MiltonPowers AlexMpog

You could use the save transfers in the OP of BaDIK, they might not be exactly what you had, but there is a good variety of options there.

 

[Dessolos]

You could use the save transfers in the OP of BaDIK, they might not be exactly what you had, but there is a good variety of options there.

lmfao im been slowing in the process of replaying the game to fix my saves only made it as far as episode 3 before I took a break

 

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