Mind Controlling and Rape

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Why mind controlling games are not considered as rape games? for instance I have seen a lot of games with mind controlling tag don't have rape tag. It seems like neither developers nor people care about it. Mind controlling means the woman is unable to consent, and therefore technically it's either rape or sexual harassment depending on what happened.
 

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I get the point, and I feel like it kinda makes sense the way you describe it, but "not being able to consent" isn't the same thing than "not consent".

Even if that sounds more like a technicallity than a real argument, there are several ways to apply the definition of "mind controlling" and "consent". If a girl hates me at the beginning and I brainwash her so she ends being crazy for my dick, is she consenting? Well yes, she's happy to fuck with me, but wait, without the brainwashing she'd say no,. Is she really consenting? Well no, she would fight back, but wait, she isn't fighting back, she is happily jumping on my dick, is that really not consentig? Well... etc.

I'm not by any means a rape fan, but I always thought that the rape tag was intended to be used on games where the girl actually fights back and you can see her pained/crying face, when you can watch that woman and say "she isn't having a good time".
 

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I agree with the sentiment that any type of non-con = rape, but for the purposes of finding games with a specific type of non-con, there has to be a distinction between forced physical violation, mind-control, financial exploitation, drugging, blackmail and assorted other types of coercion. So "rape" is used as a shorthand for the former.
 
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O.K. ... this is just getting derailed. 4 sanity purposes, we are talking about fetishes.
We are not talking about encouraging, condoning, featuring or ever showing rape.
Mind control is the fetish where the babe tells what she thinks the partner makes her
by controlling her mind, while doing rape fetish, the girl just tells the words of a victim.

This is in no way / shape of form real and is always to be gamed as a fetish.

there would be a script, the gurl and the partner would know of it,
safe words would be implemented and any FX would depend of the budget,
but would always be fake - no harm what so ever would be inflicted purposefuly
or unknowingly to the babe partaking in such fetishes.


Why mind controlling games are not considered as rape games? for instance I have seen a lot of games with mind controlling tag don't have rape tag. It seems like neither developers nor people care about it. Mind controlling means the woman is unable to consent, and therefore technically it's either rape or sexual harassment depending on what happened.
I get the point, and I feel like it kinda makes sense the way you describe it, but "not being able to consent" isn't the same thing than "not consent".

Even if that sounds more like a technicallity than a real argument, there are several ways to apply the definition of "mind controlling" and "consent". If a girl hates me at the beginning and I brainwash her so she ends being crazy for my dick, is she consenting? Well yes, she's happy to fuck with me, but wait, without the brainwashing she'd say no,. Is she really consenting? Well no, she would fight back, but wait, she isn't fighting back, she is happily jumping on my dick, is that really not consentig? Well... etc.

I'm not by any means a rape fan, but I always thought that the rape tag was intended to be used on games where the girl actually fights back and you can see her pained/crying face, when you can watch that woman and say "she isn't having a good time".
I agree with the sentiment that any type of non-con = rape, but for the purposes of finding games with a specific type of non-con, there has to be a distinction between forced physical violation, mind-control, financial exploitation, drugging, blackmail and assorted other types of coercion. So "rape" is used as a shorthand for the former.
 

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As Pretentious Goblin said. It's more for tagging/searching purposes. In the porn game world "non-con" often refers to anything non-consensual, while rape is more specifically an action involving physical force. It's sort of similar to have to have tags for cheating and NTR, lesbian and gay, trans and trap, even though they are all heavily related to each other. Just a way to help people zero in on the content they want.
 
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I feel like two can be used interchangeably (where appropriate)
 

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Mind controlling means the woman is unable to consent, and therefore technically it's either rape or sexual harassment depending on what happened.
Nah. Mind Control is perfectly consensual because I made her to consent.
I think therefore she can.
 
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I agree with the sentiment that any type of non-con = rape, but for the purposes of finding games with a specific type of non-con, there has to be a distinction between forced physical violation, mind-control, financial exploitation, drugging, blackmail and assorted other types of coercion. So "rape" is used as a shorthand for the former.
Using this logic (which I agree with), reverse rape and reverse NTR should be useful tags.
 

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To summarize the answers, the difference between mind control and rape is a question of behavior.

In case of rape, the victim don't want to have sex, and it will be seen in his/her reactions, in her internal thoughts (if there's), and in her reaction after the rape. She'll fight during the act, or clearly reluctantly agree by fear, while she later do her best to avoid her rapist, and be in constant fear when if she can't. In the same time, the rapist himself will be forceful and don't care what the victim will do or say.
But it's absolutely not what happen in case of mind control sex. The victim will happily consent to have sex, and after this act as if nothing happened, or at least nothing bad. As for the "controller", he'll be (globally) nice and ask for this or that.

Therefore, while technically mind control is a form of rape, practically it's not rape when in game. Simply because the behavior isn't the one expected by those who have rape fetish.
 
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I just think we are all looking to enjoy a fetish fantasy games here, not make social strides. It's all make believe when we play.

I know that nonconsensual sex is rape IRL and it comes in many forms. I know it's an evil thing. But I'm not looking for the real thing, just the fantasy.

So for the purposes of enjoying my bad guy fantasy, I'd like to know the specific type of rape that's in any game, because I don't enjoy hypnosis rape games, or sleep rape games, or where the woman is tricked into having illicit sex because she's naïve or underage.

I want the games where there's reluctance, unwillingness, violence and force-- or blackmail where she capitulates because she has no choice and does not want it.
 

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Why mind controlling games are not considered as rape games? for instance I have seen a lot of games with mind controlling tag don't have rape tag. It seems like neither developers nor people care about it. Mind controlling means the woman is unable to consent, and therefore technically it's either rape or sexual harassment depending on what happened.
I get what your saying and personally agree. However, there are other ways of viewing it.

If we looked at mind control from a simple view point as to just making the woman have sex. She is forced to go against what she desires to do or not do. In that case it would be rape. A game that depicts this would be The Company One individual is given a drug to turn into a raging slut while on the inside she is screaming no.

But lets look at it from a more complex view. We change her point of view as to desire having sex.
If you convince a woman without using coercion to sleep with you then is that rape. She at first thought no and you changed her mind. Lots of things affected people's judgement and desire for sex, aphrodisiacs, alcohol, pot and unless the person is seriously drunk or at a state they can't make a rational choice the courts and most people don't consider it rape when the person choose to engage in sex with another person.

There are a number of ways one can convince a person to change their mind without coercion.
You could present a logical argument. You could make an emotion argument. You could use an emotional trap before and or after encounters. hero damsel scenario, nightingale scenario, I misjudged you, ... There is a long list of them.
Hero Damsel - you rescue her from some shit bag or annoying guy. Can backfire because she thinks you don't think she can take care of herself.

Nightingale - named after Florence Nightingale - nurse - reason is she helps you from injury. While this more known for the patient falling for the nurse it also has the opposite affect also. Not an easy one to pull off involves you getting hurt and her feeling sympathetic. The getting hurt is easy the part about her feeling sympathy not a guarantee.

I misjudged you. - You are looking for attractive women that are at the point of being annoyed from men hitting on them. example: you try asking them to hand you napkins that are stacked right in front of them at the bar. They think you are trying to hit on them. They realize their error and feel bad about it. ~ Fair warning this doesn't work by itself. You need an intrigue trap or something else to work with it. Having 3 or 4 other women sitting at a table waiting for you to come back usually works. Curiosity get the better of them and they want to know why that many women are with you. Simple answer are best, "I could tell you you would need to ask them." it doesn't make you look like a bragger or shit bag. They now have a reason to come to the table. It also doesn't feel to them like they are being hit on. In short by taking yourself out of the equation as to your motives you've made it a simpler choice for them.

Now lets look at it from a magic perspective:
a. How does the magic affect the person. There are a lot of ways something magical could affect the mind.
b. It could induce or reduce feelings of one type or another.
c. It could alter memory.
d. It could modify our perception of morals.
e. Modify sense and visual perception.
f. It could even do those things in different ways.
g. What if all it did was change the way the person feels by implanting an emotional or logical argument in their memory as if they thought through it themselves or had someone else discuss it with them.

Consider that last one. It would be the same as whatever argument means or discussion someone else would have with them. It would still be their choice in how they chose to view it. Maybe, the spell does in a form what I do when trying to convince a person except it doesn't make the wrong choice because it has the benefit of seeing how the person would respond to it.

Just because it doesn't appear she has a choice doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't actually have a choice.

I won't get into the tags issue and site policies and stuff. Enough other people covered it and this is already long enough.
 

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Mind Control is ultimately just a theme, a kink.

The obsession with "consent" is pointless because an author can tell any character in any game or story to agree or even sacrifice their life.
"Rape" is just a depiction to get people horny who are into that thing where emotions are running high.
Mind Control and Corruption are more for sophisticated people, although arguably more insidious, the operating word here is "control" not force.
 

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The reason that mind control and rape are different categories is that you can use mind control for other things than sex, and rape does not always involve mind control. For example, lots of RPGMaker games have magical attacks that are technically mind control, but games often don't apply that to sex even when it's in the context of a sex game. Thus, they are different tags even though they sometimes overlap. It's kinda like how we have both milf and big tits tags: milfs often have big tits in porn games, and women with big tits are often milfs in porn games, but you can have an unbusty milf or a busty teen as well.

As to the pearl-clutching over consent in an indie porn game? Kudos to the devs for making imaginary women so sympathetic, I guess, but this shit ain't real. No real women have been harmed or assaulted (or at least I'd be VERY surprised if thy were, and that would still be a separate problem) in the making of any relevant porn games; and you don't have to play ANY porn games available on this site at all, especially ones you don't feel good about, for any reason. Also, you probably fucking stole that game you're complaining about the content of.

And, just for clarification: mind control as used in video games is 100% made up, and rape is depressingly a real thing. No matter how many video games have a protagonist using literal magic to bang every lady in town, a guy who plays such games still won't be able to swing a pocketwatch in a lady's face and make her suck his dick solely as a result of swinging that pocketwatch.
 

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Because tags are supposed to be useful for search.

If you think that 'mind control', 'sleep sex', 'blackmail', etc is morally equivalent to 'rape' (forcible rape per the tag) and it turns you off then you can blacklist all four of those tags and not see any of them. If, on the other hand, you're turned on by literally any combination of those four tags you can still use them provided that morons haven't mistagged half of the games on the site in order to indicate their moral disapproval.

If you don't like content associated with a tag, block the tag. Don't tag it with other tags which don't fit.
 

DocHolidaze

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I'm at the point now where I'm blocking the preachers.

We just want the rape tags to be clear about what kind it is, because we are looking for the specific FANTASY. We don't need a lecture about what's right or wrong IRL. We are here to play games, games,games.
 
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If you had thanos gauntlet and made every woman your slave. Would it be considered rape? As their initial consent wasn't there.
The fear, pain etc. would most likely be missing. So where is the problem?

I'd like to think it's a fantasy that is a bit softer, then breaking into a girls room, holding a knife to her throat and raping her.
Anyway, making games.
To take the shoes we are not walking every days, is kind of one of the points of a book, a game etc.

Besides rape fantasies seem to be quite common, especially with females:
Hope they find some good jam for them somewhere here.
 

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Why mind controlling games are not considered as rape games? for instance I have seen a lot of games with mind controlling tag don't have rape tag. It seems like neither developers nor people care about it. Mind controlling means the woman is unable to consent, and therefore technically it's either rape or sexual harassment depending on what happened.
In the fictional word this is called "dubious consent." Personally I think anything Dub-Con and beyond is rape/sexual assault/etc but it's an actual thing that many people are drawn to (most people because it's taboo and others for more nefarious reasons). It's not my cup of tea, but I can see why many people enjoy it.

Dub-con actually has a huge following for erotica authors and artists.

Another reason you'll see it called "Mind control" instead of "rape" is marketing. In many places if you have "rape" in the name you won't be able to sell it; but mind control? That's just scifi/fantasy. This is less of an issue for games made in Japan and other countries because of the laws there.

There's also the "lack of control" aspect of it. Many people are attracted to a lack of control. This can be seen in many ways such as bondage, forced-fantasies, someone requiring their partner to be 6'5" while they themselves are only 4'11". It's a pretty common thing to encounter for both men and women.

Edit: Fixed a grammar issue and added some context.
 
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I view it as an alternative of rape, since with mind control you simply erase the ability from victim to resist at all and sometimes even erasing any memories leaving you with no way for consequences until witness or pregnancy. Rape is forced intercouse where victim knows what happens and you have to use force in order to succeed. Does mind controled victim can give consent or resist? No, and therefore you don't need any forcing. So simply Rape - obligatory: use of physical force and no consent from victim. Still you can call it rape if you hypnotized victim against her will:unsure: