VN Ren'Py Moonripple Lake [v0.62] [BCG]

[JarrenBlake]

OMG, getting back to the game, I was really disappointed with this update and with "Moonripple Lake" and BCG in general.

There is a point when a Developer starts stalling or milking things and that became evident in this latest update. Suzie gave Drago a blowjob at the end of chapter 4, then in chapter 5 Suzie again gives Drago a BJ. And in chapter 6, guess what, Suzie gives Drago ANOTHER BJ. See the trend? OK, Suzie teases an asleep Grok by rubbing on him but it's just TEASING. Christ, she doesn't even suck Cee's dick (or go down on her) in the so called "threesome" not to mention that Cee doesn't penetrate her. Just more TEASING and more importantly, 2 whole chapters where BCG is just milking.

Oh, I know a lot of you will say that the plot with Merynn and Silas moved forward but really, BIG DEAL. To me all that pearl and Silas stuff was just a MacGuffin in the first place.

This is/was a sex game and the FMC is always the focus of any sex game. To see Suzie held in place for three chapters is beyond frustrating. Yeah, I know that MC had sex with Merynn but I don't care about that either. Anon has been sucking and fucking since the beginning but BCG has been deliberately delaying Suzie's sexual progression outside of the plot. She could have easily fucked Drago or Grok and it would have changed nothing in the story, absolutely zero.

BCG sidelining Suzie's sexual progression with other characters only serves one purpose - to keep people wanting more. Shame on you BCG by turning what was one of the best games out there, (I thought the scene with Suzie, Anon, and Drago in chapter 4 was one of the hottest I've ever seen), into another Developer milkfest...

(And as a sidenote, all of you forum members who are obsessed with terms like Netorase, Netorare, Cuckold, Cuckquean, etc., you can all just go suck an egg. Watching you guys argue back and forth over these concepts in post after post is even more frustrating than BCG's poor performance in this latest chapter... lol.)

Outside of the "cheating" opportunities the MC has been fairly tame in this VN. If you avoid those Suzie was ahead of him as far as relations with the opposite sex went. The 'cheating' opportunities clearly being a trap.

The concept of the FMC/Main Female LI as the focal point is an interesting one. I am curious to hear from those here, has this aspect turned sour of late? As the audience is largely men with an attraction to women. The women in any VN is the focal point. For me, I see Male MCs as vehicles to get numerous female character types in sexual situations, without having to create and render a new guy for each of them. I never viewed it as a competition between MMC and FMC for 'screen time'. It is more that Merynn and Cee got time and progress than it is that Anon got prog over Suzie.

Also...what makes Suzie (in this case) so special? Is it specifically the want from the girlfriend of the MMC to have sex with others? Or are there other factors I am missing?

 

[el diablo rojo]

Outside of the "cheating" opportunities the MC has been fairly tame in this VN. If you avoid those Suzie was ahead of him as far as relations with the opposite sex went. The 'cheating' opportunities clearly being a trap.

The concept of the FMC/Main Female LI as the focal point is an interesting one. I am curious to hear from those here, has this aspect turned sour of late? As the audience is largely men with an attraction to women. The women in any VN is the focal point. For me, I see Male MCs as vehicles to get numerous female character types in sexual situations, without having to create and render a new guy for each of them. I never viewed it as a competition between MMC and FMC for 'screen time'. It is more that Merynn and Cee got time and progress than it is that Anon got prog over Suzie.

Also...what makes Suzie (in this case) so special? Is it specifically the want from the girlfriend of the MMC to have sex with others? Or are there other factors I am missing?

Ehh, not really sure what your asking. Are you trying to create a position that side characters like Cee or Merynn are just as important as Suzie in this game or that their sexual progression (or lack thereof) is equivalent to Suzie's? Or maybe you're just trying to incite some sort of debate about sharing Suzie and her relationship with Anon? Either way I'm not engaging in that.

For me Suzie was introduced in chapter one and since the beginning has been the star of the game both in appearance and in her initial shyness/attitude. I want to see her do more sexually or get corrupted. It has nothing to do with her relationship with Anon. If the game were different and Suzie was a single FMC I would still want to see her engage in more and more daring sexual situations. Thats it. Female side characters that appear as games progress obviously add something to the story of a game but are never as interesting as an attractively rendered FMC like Suzie that has been a focus since the beginning.

 

[JarrenBlake]

Ehh, not really sure what your asking. Are you trying to create a position that side characters like Cee or Merynn are just as important as Suzie in this game or that their sexual progression (or lack thereof) is equivalent to Suzie's? Or maybe you're just trying to incite some sort of debate about sharing Suzie and her relationship with Anon? Either way I'm not engaging in that.

For me Suzie was introduced in chapter one and since the beginning has been the star of the game both in appearance and in her initial shyness/attitude. I want to see her do more sexually or get corrupted. It has nothing to do with her relationship with Anon. If the game were different and Suzie was a single FMC I would still want to see her engage in more and more daring sexual situations. Thats it. Female side characters that appear as games progress obviously add something to the story of a game but are never as interesting as an attractively rendered FMC like Suzie that has been a focus since the beginning.

Not trying to incite, genuinely trying to understand the trend. I have actually been thinking on this issues for awhile now. For me, I like Suzie, but she has not been that different from other girls in looks or personality. I can see what you are saying about her being in the game from chapter 1. She has had plenty of sexual interactions and daring encounters. Many of these have been with Anton though, as those are the only intercourse encounters. So part of what I was asking before was based off you saying how 'Anton' was ahead. Which for many was more of a recent change as I just pulled ahead in this last update (depending on path and play style).

I see this POV a lot but FMC games are not as popular as MMC games/VNs. Some make it, but many fall flat despite providing just what is being asked for here. Also when would a Dev be allowed to 'pull back' from the Female LI to showcase other characters? Should the Devs downplay chars like Suzie from the start to avoid this type of issue, cause other games show that even if he progresses her, there is always another step she could take. But then the character seems to narrative drift.

As I said, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts and everyone elses on this. No traps or games even if I disagree with you.

 

[el diablo rojo]

Not trying to incite, genuinely trying to understand the trend. I have actually been thinking on this issues for awhile now. For me, I like Suzie, but she has not been that different from other girls in looks or personality. I can see what you are saying about her being in the game from chapter 1. She has had plenty of sexual interactions and daring encounters. Many of these have been with Anton though, as those are the only intercourse encounters. So part of what I was asking before was based off you saying how 'Anton' was ahead. Which for many was more of a recent change as I just pulled ahead in this last update (depending on path and play style).

I see this POV a lot but FMC games are not as popular as MMC games/VNs. Some make it, but many fall flat despite providing just what is being asked for here. Also when would a Dev be allowed to 'pull back' from the Female LI to showcase other characters? Should the Devs downplay chars like Suzie from the start to avoid this type of issue, cause other games show that even if he progresses her, there is always another step she could take. But then the character seems to narrative drift.

As I said, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts and everyone elses on this. No traps or games even if I disagree with you.

I guess like i stated in my last post that I like attractively rendered female main characters that appeal to me. Examples - Suzie in this game, Sophia in AWAM, Violet in MNGF, Jessica in JOHN, Anna in APM, Gina in Port Haven, Kathryn in TEB. Relationship status means little to me - the best games usually have FMC's that are in relationships but I guess that's more because developers like to create games around relationship tropes? I don't go looking for that, per se, but it seems like most of the best games out there are just plot developed that way.

If I start playing a game with an attractively rendered FMC and just keep getting teased by that attractively rendered FMC then I get pissed off - especially after waiting 3 months or more for an update. Other female characters are great and even if they are attractive and end up in sexy situations it's a bonus in any game but it still won't lessen my frustration if the FMC that piqued my interest from the beginning just keeps being teased.

 

[Morgoth214]

The game I've been following for a long time has started to have stupid events and a ridiculous character Cee. I don't care about Cee, in fact, if I met him in real life, I might kill him.

 

[JarrenBlake]

I guess like i stated in my last post that I like attractively rendered female main characters that appeal to me. Examples - Suzie in this game, Sophia in AWAM, Violet in MNGF, Jessica in JOHN, Anna in APM, Gina in Port Haven, Kathryn in TEB. Relationship status means little to me - the best games usually have FMC's that are in relationships but I guess that's more because developers like to create games around relationship tropes? I don't go looking for that, per se, but it seems like most of the best games out there are just plot developed that way.

If I start playing a game with an attractively rendered FMC and just keep getting teased by that attractively rendered FMC then I get pissed off - especially after waiting 3 months or more for an update. Other female characters are great and even if they are attractive and end up in sexy situations it's a bonus in any game but it still won't lessen my frustration if the FMC that piqued my interest from the beginning just keeps being teased.

Gotcha.

Admittedly, some of the examples you gave I am not as aware of but I do know of Violet, Anna, and Gina for sure. AWAM meanwhile is an actual FMC game that seems to have a decent audience that I know of, just have not played through. So if Suzie does have actual intercourse, will that fix things or is is a case that from this point forward she has to be the focal piece of the game? Coming from I guess more 'vanilla' games where you often have more than one LI as well. You always have a splits on which ones people like. And many times some will become fully active a lot sooner than others. However it was not until I started following so called NTS games that this idea of developers 'teasing' a character came onto my radar. For example in BAD, if you liked Jill or Bella per se, it was like 8 episodes before they fully activated(Far longer than the like 7 for this VN). However others were going at it within 4-5. But in those cases that was before they even got their first full sex scene period, even with the MC. In these games the girls are having sex, just not with other people outside of the MC yet. So just understanding that dynamic and how it affects the Development of these game types.

TY for the exchange, really appreciate it.

 

[Sptibr]

I'm not sure why ill-defined tags are because we have sentences in descriptions. MRL is: point of view male encourages their romantic female partner to have sex with other men and women/transwomen, he also has both disclosed and undisclosed sex with other women when disclosure is presumed.
Capturing POV, coersion vs willingness, types of sex, spoken/unspoken rules, etc is all WAY too nuanced for any tag to capture, yet can really make a difference to many viewers/readers.

 

[JarrenBlake]

I'm not sure why ill-defined tags are because we have sentences in descriptions. MRL is: point of view male encourages their romantic female partner to have sex with other men and women/transwomen, he also has both disclosed and undisclosed sex with other women when disclosure is presumed.
Capturing POV, coersion vs willingness, types of sex, spoken/unspoken rules, etc is all WAY too nuanced for any tag to capture, yet can really make a difference to many viewers/readers.

I agree that tags cannot capture such nuance, and some of the tags we argue about the most are very broad by design. That said, I will ask, could Dev/authors do a better job at defining what their product is and what scope they intend from the start? When they do, do they stick to such?

For example, if you are not planning to implement betrayal from the Female LI, why introduce teases of the mechanic. If it is something you might do later, why not just build if from scratch then as opposed to using current resources for such?

Is it a matter of that they do not really know what they want fully and are leaving their options open? Or are they leaving open options to pivot if they sense that such where the money/interest is?

 

[Machete]

To summarize your questions, we have to consider that Moonripple Lake, overall, is meant to be an NTS game (and i open again the Pandora's Box on the NTR/NTS genres). Therefore the existance of an official relationship between MC and MLI and the presence of an MLI to begin with is a key factor to adhere to the genre.

In general there can't be swinging or cheating if there isn't a somewhat commited relationship and the girl is just one of many possible fuckbuddies.

About what's special about Suzie... well, nothing really. Of course she is a well written character, that came out with a high level of accomplishment and she's very popular among fans of the game, as well as Cee, but the reason why there is so much attention on her is the NTS (or possible NTR as some wishes for).

Now, not being a fan of those genres, especially NTR, albeit i enjoy the occasional NTS/sharing scenario in games, i can't be sure i understand the appeal of the whole cheating based story.

Once a guy here explained to me that the cool part of NTR is to see the female character in increasely extreme and degrading situations, and i though it was a good explaination at the moment. But then you would enjoy any female corruption game just the same if that was the case, and it looks like it isn't, for many. IMHO, and i beg pardon from all NTR fans if i'm wrong, i think putting themselves in the shoes of the cheated man and to see the situation unravel by that point of view is instrumental to the kink.

So, it has to be Suzie who gets drilled hard by strangers. Was it Drago's mom or the shopgirl, very few from the NTR/NTS crew would really care, i think.

Is it a matter of that they do not really know what they want fully and are leaving their options open? Or are they leaving open options to pivot if they sense that such where the money/interest is?

The devs have to sell the product, at some point. They may start with an idea, but then they see the reactions on forums like this one or from the Patreon, they start to listen to the feedbacks, albeit they might end listening to the vocal minority, they start to poll to see what the players prefernces are and they might star to change the take on the story.

Some game appened to go rather astray this way.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Some games appeared to go rather astray this way.

Truer words rarely are spoken

 

[slightchance]

Once a guy here explained to me that the cool part of NTR is to see the female character in increasely extreme and degrading situations, and i though it was a good explaination at the moment. But then you would enjoy any female corruption game just the same if that was the case, and it looks like it isn't, for many.

Why do you believe there's no overlap? I've read many comments of NTR-enjoyers who also enjoy a love route because that makes them the arbiter of corruption. Not everyone likes to sit on the passenger seat, some enjoy playing the role of the puppeteer.

It's a bit telling that you still don't grasp that there are many different people voicing their opinions and not just one spokesperson for every tag after being on this site for so long. I, for one, like all the facets of interactions, as long as the writing is good and the characters act rationally, more or less.

I'd like to see our MC struggle a bit with how much Suzie is enjoying her free reign. He's allowed to be jealous. But I'm also a sucker for hotwifing so if the MC comes to term with it a long the way and Suzie acknowledges his sacrifices by loving him even more in the end that's fine by me. Not every route has to follow the same script over and over again.

 

[dankermemz]

After waiting all that time for a continuation of the story, what a disappointing update. Dropping this thread long-term until maybe when Episode 7 is finished, which would probably take a couple years at this point. Gotta milk those Patrons I guess.

 

[blkcrow20]

After waiting all that time for a continuation of the story, what a disappointing update. Dropping this thread long-term until maybe when Episode 7 is finished, which would probably take a couple years at this point. Gotta milk those Patrons I guess.

 

[BananaCreamGames]

After waiting all that time for a continuation of the story, what a disappointing update. Dropping this thread long-term until maybe when Episode 7 is finished, which would probably take a couple years at this point. Gotta milk those Patrons I guess.

Yeah I milked them so hard I even paused billing for 2 months in between.

 

[angel__666]

View attachment 5588027
Yes, intentional.
But the "A week later" screen wasn't there in the first release - I forgot to add it, despite me naming the label 'ep6_1week_later'.
Is it so unfathomable that I wanted to skip the boring what-happened talk unfold on screen?
They obviously spoke about it amongst themselves, and I wanted to resolve it (for you the player), but at the start of ep7.

Oh so it's only this? I mean ok, better than an hour later... but still, text messages (instead of face-to-face conversations) are boring as well, and if we can read them all I think we are good spending some minutes reading a quick transition where the chars talk about an important kidnap event that just happened IMO.

 

[Machete]

Why do you believe there's no overlap?

I don't presume there isn't. Just that the degradation part is not the whole point of it, considering that for a part of the fans that alone won't do, and i believe there are titles where there is not much degradation in the first place, but there is a lot of humiliation toward MC.

 

[Zobra]

Some game appened to go rather astray this way

i hate this shit ... jus bcz they have more $$ or rich doesn't give them right to ruin the Story ...
i don't like when Devs follows $$ instead of their heart..

well ... about NTR/NTS stuff , MC cheating (it just Optional , Tho it Shouldn't be mixed with the main Story) i think it should have some "mild consequences" as long it doesn't Ruin their dynamic Relationship (Ex: she blow someone else without telling MC , then she confess/send evidence on why she did it , it could be like a side-story).

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[mondonuovo]

BananaCreamGames
Why is the main character forced to have sex with a trans woman in bed with his girlfriend in a scene near the end of the game, if he's straight... at least the player is?
He lets the player decide. If you refuse those advances, you shouldn't get that ending, so it's a forced outcome.

 

[danyayo]

Yeah I milked them so hard I even paused billing for 2 months in between.

His remarks are a bit extreme, but it is undeniable that the development period has been quite long. The higher the expectations, the greater the disappointment if the final product fails to meet them. I disagree with his view that sponsors are being used to buy more time, as it is true that sponsorship was suspended in the interim. However, perhaps what sponsors would prefer to see is the progress of development being accelerated. Higher quality game content and more efficient progress are undoubtedly preferable to the suspension of sponsorship.

 

[BananaCreamGames]

Where/when is early access on steam? They still allow AVNs to be posted this way (literally an example of games released in this way the day before yesterday). According to the search, the last subject information was in April. I was hoping to shower the author with money right today.

Steam release coming on the 15th this month. And yes, Early Access.

His remarks are a bit extreme, but it is undeniable that the development period has been quite long. The higher the expectations, the greater the disappointment if the final product fails to meet them. I disagree with his view that sponsors are being used to buy more time, as it is true that sponsorship was suspended in the interim. However, perhaps what sponsors would prefer to see is the progress of development being accelerated. Higher quality game content and more efficient progress are undoubtedly preferable to the suspension of sponsorship.

Agreed. I got burnt out there in the middle and quality/quantity suffered. I strive to do better.

BananaCreamGames
Why is the main character forced to have sex with a trans woman in bed with his girlfriend in a scene near the end of the game, if he's straight... at least the player is?
He lets the player decide. If you refuse those advances, you shouldn't get that ending, so it's a forced outcome.

Well, you decided that Cee is trans or whatever, that's why she's trans.
Otherwise he'd be forced to have sex with a girl Cee.
I didn't feel like giving choice there would accomplish much, honestly.
I might go back and add the choice, sometime.
I also provided an alternate way to get alcohol in ep3 based on feedback (included in upcoming 6.2 patch)