- Apr 18, 2024
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I can tell you with complete certainty: quality content creators don't care if their work gets distributed. The only people I've seen on Patreon/OF/SS/etc who elect to make their content more tricky to obtain (sending dropbox links in dms, for example, rather than timeline posts) tend to be lackluster and don't last long. If you do good work, people will pay for it, even if they can get it for free otherwise.
I can tell you with absolute, 100% complete guaranteed certainty that you are fucking mistaken and totally wrong..!!!
To examplify, the game has been removed on Pixeldrain due to copyright violation.
- Dec 9, 2020
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this is really solid dude you did great. there's definitely an audience for this kind of game. cant wait to see where it takes if you have plans for other projects. i'm just sad there's no anal sex
Well, you're pirates, not ogres, after all. If you've already chosen such a style, why not play a role to the end? Send the developer a black label with the offer: "Dude, we've had our eye on your game and we want it. So let's figer something out for the two of us with a mutually beneficial result, or... well, you're a grown boy, so you know our rules. Don't delay."
Or something like that. It doesn't look too complicate to do, right? It is after you to choose the start of it to be a conversation or a straggle. Think of it
got a nasty feeling the dev is going to be angry and report download links. i expect him to fight kemono pary too soon.
- Jul 15, 2018
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I mean if they do they do, it is they're game and they have every right to request takedowns. It would be rather unfortunate because the game is pretty good and I would love to see where it goes. Mind you, I do hope the dev considers the benefits this site can give them like others do.
- Apr 18, 2024
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I thought the same while starting this. But many people I met were trying to prove it's wrong. So I'm not sure where the truth is in the end. This is my first experience and I'm going to learn from it.
It's a bittersweet feeling. I understand that more game is shared, more support I'll get. And I get a nice burst from it, which makes me happy.
However the whole idea of pirating 'just because this is my way' feels wrong. And all talks about 'release more often' and 'bonuses for patrons' are crashed by it, because of everything depends only on how fast someone with scraper on will visit the page.
Well, may be there is some pirate codex about it - I have no idea as a person from outside. I just visited this place a few times, found some useful patches, guides and pleasant people. That's why I created this account and WAS going to publish the game here. Than was stuck with a limitations for new members, LOL. And now I see someone collecting donations for my game. And the resources I wrote personally to publish it earlier and was ignored, are happy to list a pirated one...
So yes, I am kinda angry and frustrated atm. I reported the links. Someone will probably re-upload it soon. We can play this game for weeks but it goes to nowhere, so I'm not going to waste my time on it. I can fail the scraper easily, but I can not stop the person, who's religion forces them to bring the hidden light to public. More complex solutions will require much effort. So I'm still in doubt.
You cannot stop piracy. It's crazy how people still don't understand this in 2024. Companies like Sony and Microsoft spend millions on antipiracy measures that are defeated in a couple days so frustrating yourself over it is futile. People share things as that is human nature. Make sure to include that in your business model.
- Oct 4, 2017
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1. If not for piracy this game wouldn't even be found and supported
2. This game has potential only if the dev doesn't screw us over:
Demanded: foot job + variatons, anal for penis and toys, more toys, blowjob, more personalities, more customization.
Wished for: More positions, more variations
2. This game has potential only if the dev doesn't screw us over:
Demanded: foot job + variatons, anal for penis and toys, more toys, blowjob, more personalities, more customization.
Wished for: More positions, more variations
Yes, there are so many benefits as I see...
"The developer himself submitted requests for publications and was ignored..." !
That is, in fact, stealing for the sake of stealing. And what’s even worse is that it was stolen in order to give more dangerous swindlers the opportunity to profit from it. Yes, it’s better to let them make money from this, and not a small greedy author, was that the logic? The consequences for the developer are that very angry and dissatisfied victims of such scammers will appear and fray the developer’s nerves about the theft of personal data, leakage of personal information and etc. Typical for that type of content "A good start for your game - negative reviews from victims!"
All you had to do was first contact and negotiate.
It’s great that you, pirates, are promoting your philosophy of life to the masses... but it seems to me that it is you the first, who should demonstrate respect for that cow, whose milk you so joyfully and confidently drink here.
Do not create big nerves and problems to small developers, make dials and only in that case you really will benefit together.
"The developer himself submitted requests for publications and was ignored..." !
That is, in fact, stealing for the sake of stealing. And what’s even worse is that it was stolen in order to give more dangerous swindlers the opportunity to profit from it. Yes, it’s better to let them make money from this, and not a small greedy author, was that the logic? The consequences for the developer are that very angry and dissatisfied victims of such scammers will appear and fray the developer’s nerves about the theft of personal data, leakage of personal information and etc. Typical for that type of content "A good start for your game - negative reviews from victims!"
All you had to do was first contact and negotiate.
It’s great that you, pirates, are promoting your philosophy of life to the masses... but it seems to me that it is you the first, who should demonstrate respect for that cow, whose milk you so joyfully and confidently drink here.
Do not create big nerves and problems to small developers, make dials and only in that case you really will benefit together.
I'm sure near-identical shit has been written a thousand times here already, but here's my personal view/anecdote wall of text in case it helps you figure out how to approach this:
People pirate for a variety of reasons (like wanting a full try-before-I-buy without censors). But I think the most common is "if this weren't freely available I wouldn't buy it anyway," whether that be due to budgetary constraints (like me), lack of access to payment methods (some countries), or sure just a matter of not caring.
While I don't personally feel a pang of guilt from pirating (I wasn't going to buy it either way, after all; I'm not depriving you of income, because I'm not a lost sale), when I enjoy a game I do make a point of talking about it/recommending it to people. I do this less often for porn games since I usually hang out in more SFW servers/communities, but it still comes up from time to time with friends. Many pirates do this, and I have actively seen many of my recs of games to friends/communities convert to sales. (I'm sure you've rec'd games to your own friends before, as well, and seen them purchase it as a result; this isn't some vague nebulous hypothetical, this is how word of mouth works)
Don't know if my perspective/experience will help you cope with piracy happening. As others have said, it's very unlikely to affect your bottom line much at all, but it's going to happen regardless and it's not like you can compare timelines to see how you'd fare with VS without piracy, so your frustrations are understandable.
But if I can give a specific point of advice:
Keep reporting links if you like—it's obviously well within your rights to do so, and all you're losing in doing so is people spreading your game via word-of-mouth—but that too is only really effective to do when you're very small and people don't like your game enough to re-up quickly. Game gets more popular, more people re-up faster, increasingly becomes a waste of time.
If you can find a way to cope with the piracy happening and reduce your stress, I advise to use f95zone as a place to see bug reports/feedback/player sentiment, even if you don't engage in the thread.
If you can't and the stress gets to you, maybe just get a trusted friend or discord mod that doesn't have the same emotional investment as you (not poking fun, it'd be understandable) to check on or do things in the thread on your behalf, but otherwise try your best to not think about it and pretend it doesn't exist? Either way: nice game, and good luck.
TL;DR I'd download a car
Very understandable anger and frustration. Even though you can objectively look at any other popular, established game like Summertime Saga and see how they're still making absolute fuckbank even with rampant piracy, there's not much comfort in that when you're just starting out and don't have a big established paying userbase to tap into, and every pirated copy probably feels like just straight up lost income.
People pirate for a variety of reasons (like wanting a full try-before-I-buy without censors). But I think the most common is "if this weren't freely available I wouldn't buy it anyway," whether that be due to budgetary constraints (like me), lack of access to payment methods (some countries), or sure just a matter of not caring.
While I don't personally feel a pang of guilt from pirating (I wasn't going to buy it either way, after all; I'm not depriving you of income, because I'm not a lost sale), when I enjoy a game I do make a point of talking about it/recommending it to people. I do this less often for porn games since I usually hang out in more SFW servers/communities, but it still comes up from time to time with friends. Many pirates do this, and I have actively seen many of my recs of games to friends/communities convert to sales. (I'm sure you've rec'd games to your own friends before, as well, and seen them purchase it as a result; this isn't some vague nebulous hypothetical, this is how word of mouth works)
Don't know if my perspective/experience will help you cope with piracy happening. As others have said, it's very unlikely to affect your bottom line much at all, but it's going to happen regardless and it's not like you can compare timelines to see how you'd fare with VS without piracy, so your frustrations are understandable.
But if I can give a specific point of advice:
Your game seems to be very competently written and you seem like a smart guy, so you probably already came to this conclusion, but for your own sake: don't waste your time writing convoluted DRM solutions. It is an incredibly time consuming and stressful waste of development time, and only an effective deterrent if your game is unpopular & unnoticed by those who know how to subvert it.
Keep reporting links if you like—it's obviously well within your rights to do so, and all you're losing in doing so is people spreading your game via word-of-mouth—but that too is only really effective to do when you're very small and people don't like your game enough to re-up quickly. Game gets more popular, more people re-up faster, increasingly becomes a waste of time.
If you can find a way to cope with the piracy happening and reduce your stress, I advise to use f95zone as a place to see bug reports/feedback/player sentiment, even if you don't engage in the thread.
If you can't and the stress gets to you, maybe just get a trusted friend or discord mod that doesn't have the same emotional investment as you (not poking fun, it'd be understandable) to check on or do things in the thread on your behalf, but otherwise try your best to not think about it and pretend it doesn't exist? Either way: nice game, and good luck.
TL;DR I'd download a car
Some missing things needed for touching sims genre in general:
- Ability to remove clothes by mouse
- Ability to half remove clothes, ex. lifting a shirt over the breasts while she still wears it
- A visible hand when touching parts of her body and the animations to go with it
Some things for your game specifically
- Mouse over traits showing what they actually mean or affect
- Ability to select a combination of traits manually
- Ability to remove clothes by mouse
- Ability to half remove clothes, ex. lifting a shirt over the breasts while she still wears it
- A visible hand when touching parts of her body and the animations to go with it
Some things for your game specifically
- Mouse over traits showing what they actually mean or affect
- Ability to select a combination of traits manually
- Apr 18, 2024
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May be, not in the nearest future.
I already keep in mind most of the listed. Some things are technically difficult to implement because of animation complexity, so they have a low priority for me. BTW why 'touching sim'?
And what's the point of manual selection? The main idea was to generate unique sessions, so game does not become a simple clicker for experienced players. Obviously player is interested to change the look. But it's just hard for me to imagine the use case for traits selection, like: hey, today I'd like to play with a girl with a non-sensitive soles...
I haven't seen all the traits but I did see some like "virgin", "masochist", etc, so I imagine that guy was thinking about it in terms of accessing unique roleplay/fantasy scenarios (even though I'm pretty sure they don't affect anything other than sensitivity right now(?)).
Being able to manually select a "cold feet" (lol) trait would be pretty pointless I agree, but if you had "scenario-defining" traits like "virgin"/"pain slut"/"babygirl"/"petplay puppy"/"size queen"/"very ticklish" or something, and they had more gameplay impact and/or unique dialogue effects, then I could definitely see wanting to select those.
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"Touching sim" is a (unofficial?) name of a genre of games focused around touching a girl and raising pleasure meters. Laplace for instance makes a bunch of them at a decent quality, and somnophilia (sleep sex) is also a popular setting for that genre of game with what feels like more falling into that category than outside of it. Your game should also be considered in that genre of games because most of your core mechanics are for touching Lolly (where to touch, with what, how strong etc.) and raising her pleasure meter, and IMO your existing mechanics are already too detailed to be considered a simple dress up game.
You don't give any information on the effects of traits so I don't know how much of an impact they would have, but there are some that sound like they would have a large impact like 'virgin', and although right now it doesn't seem to change much, I'd assume that eventually they'd be fleshed out enough with dialogue that you could have role plays with specific trait combinations. For some people just seeing a trait they want on the list might be enough for them.
You also have an "easy" mode where the only trait is 'masochist', so you obviously do think that some players would want to have a degree of control over the traits that directly affect gameplay; this is just a more in depth customization of that with more flavor.