VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [Ch. 4] [CircleGames]

[hayrullahdelisi]

You know, it would be nice to at least have such an option as you described, that for each girl in the game have is its own scenario, but the problem for many is that this doesn’t even exist!
You were right when you said that all girls have the same scenario. Is this interesting?
A simple choice, even if there were not many paths, but only two paths would make the game more interesting and attractive:
- A strong MC, who fucks all the girls and they love only him, teasing will not change this
- Or as the dev intended, a weak MC (although it seems to him that he is strong) who interacts with girls, but they are also fucked by others
At the same time, we have a choice, you could decide for yourself which of the girls to follow the vanilla path and with whom to sharing path. It was much more interesting!

The problem is MC isn’t weak either. Like you said he is getting controlled, but he is also bedding all LIs? Like i said, there could be a balance if dev is incapable of coding the choice system. MC could dom Anya while Maki doms MC. But no, every single character follows the same “We are going NTS but we will also sleep with MC to not to piss harem seekers.”

MC doesn’t have a character, he is just like an enzime for a chemical reaction. There for things to happen.

Like i said, i love NTS. But i would love it if she stayed out of it because not everyone has to follow the same path. Anya going NTS kills the effect off other characters choice of going NTS, because literally everyone is doing it!

Also being able to have sex with every character also kills the speciality of it, if i can have sex with everyone why should i feel the effect of NTS?

But then again, this is simply the path dev chose. It won’t change, and it definitely paid off. I just hope there will be better games (Hopefully SOA) which deal with relationships with more options.

 

[Lanrayr]

I don’t know, the dev of the same "Shadows" writes that it takes him a lot of time to code and text. Therefore, his game is purely kinetic, he said that if add the choice and different paths will increase development time significantly.
I’m not a programmer, i don’t know how much time this actually takes.

The coding part can really be complicated for someone who is inexperienced. If you have already had experience with Python, Ren'Py can feel familiar because it uses the same logical syntax for programming.

For me, the problem lies in translating the creativity of a narrative into code, especially when aiming for a non-linear story. Proposing different scenarios, situations that are believable for the background of the story is complicated, and now adding that the story should be attractive makes it even worse.

You really have to be organized with the story, and that's why I have a lot of respect for the dev. It's evident that they try to provide a good story for us, and I hope they can carry out their idea to the end.

 

[Satiro]

news about date update¿¿?

 

[SymbioticLife]

I skipped like half the dialogue, but that's still exactly how I felt about the MC. Even the images are enough to convey this.
NTS isn't really my thing, but I thought it would at least be a proactive choice by the MC and make for an interesting story.
The art and a few hot scenes make up for it so far, but I doubt the intention of the dev was for people to skip the story just to see the good bits.

MC is about as proactive as you get in the genre. He started a bit slow but saying he wasnt proactive last chapter is still just crazy to me. Yea, Vi came up with the idea to play a game but he got to decide on what the game was and when it ends. He made sure to bring Vi back to his place and then he made sure to punish the shit out of her. Vi gets to be proactive too, that doesnt make Eric just a passenger and Vi has continually asked Eric for affirmation.

We are 4 chapters and about the same number of days into the story. Eric is still experiencing clear growth, and its still crazy to me people are missing it. Although ignoring half the dialogue probably didnt help.

 

[CircleGames]

Which part is not true? The part i have said people should expect NTS because it is literally in tags?

Or the part where i assume MC will have sex with every single LI and they will all get NTSed? We will see this, and you hold the power over the story. But i guess everyone can see it happening.

Or the part where i said dev barely visits the forum? I think that was a good assumption too since your last comment was on November 14th, three weeks ago.

The part were you said I didn't care about it, based on an assumption like you said, the assumption was good just not true xD

 

[hayrullahdelisi]

The part were you said I didn't care about it, based on an assumption like you said, the assumption was good just not true xD

So MC will have sex with every single LI and every single one of them get NTSed. Great! Brilliant story choice! I am glad you care XD

 

[CircleGames]

So MC will have sex with every single LI and every single one of them get NTSed. Great! Brilliant story choice! I am glad you care XD

I was just saying that it's not true that I don't care about this thread, that's what you wrote at first, " Or the part where i said dev barely visits the forum? " This is not what you originally wrote...I quoted the original sentence, just as a way to tell people I do visit the thread and I am here, everyday...Already said this before but I know this thread gets a lot of coments so it gets buried pretty quickly, as long as you tag me I will respond

 

[Yougiblack]

I was just saying that it's not true that I don't care about this thread, that's what you wrote at first, " Or the part where i said dev barely visits the forum? " This is not what you originally wrote...I quoted the original sentence, just as a way to tell people I do visit the thread and I am here, everyday...Already said this before but I know this thread gets a lot of coments so it gets buried pretty quickly, as long as you tag me I will respond

Any ETA on chp 5?

 

[CircleGames]

Any ETA on chp 5?

Not yet, like chapter 4 I will anounce the date once I know it's certain, meaning it will be anounced pretty close to the actual release itself...As a costumer I always felt sad when my fav projects didn't get an update on christmas time and I would love to have the chapter 5 ready by christmas or new years eve but at the same time I am not willing to cut the content of the chapter for that to be possible, this one will have a lot of scenes with mutiple girls and that takes a lot of time in Photoshop to bring to life at the quality level I desire...But it's early december so there's no point in talking about release date for anyone wondering, I will adress that closer to christmas.

 

[Yougiblack]

Not yet, like chapter 4 I will anounce the date once I know it's certain, meaning it will be anounced pretty close to the actual release itself...As a costumer I always felt sad when my fav projects didn't get an update on christmas time and I would love to have the chapter 5 ready by christmas or new years eve but at the same time I am not willing to cut the content of the chapter for that to be possible, this one will have a lot of scenes with mutiple girls and that takes a lot of time in Photoshop to bring to life at the quality level I desire...But it's early december so there's no point in talking about release date for anyone wondering, I will adress that closer to christmas.

Hmmmmm would guess maybe it'd be mid January or before.

 

[Blades1138]

MC is about as proactive as you get in the genre.

You're probably right in more ways than one. Even non-NTS games fall victim to passive MCs. It doesn't mean this aspect can't and shouldn't be better though. Especially with a somewhat divisive subgenre, it would elevate the game as a complete package.

He started a bit slow but saying he wasnt proactive last chapter is still just crazy to me. Yea, Vi came up with the idea to play a game but he got to decide on what the game was and when it ends. He made sure to bring Vi back to his place and then he made sure to punish the shit out of her. Vi gets to be proactive too, that doesnt make Eric just a passenger and Vi has continually asked Eric for affirmation.

We are 4 chapters and about the same number of days into the story. Eric is still experiencing clear growth, and its still crazy to me people are missing it. Although ignoring half the dialogue probably didnt help.

People aren't exactly missing it, they just have a different perspective. The reason you see criticism of that aspect, is because for players that aren't into this specific genre, these issues stick out like a sore thumb. Meanwhile they might be only minor nitpicks for the core audience.
While Eric has seen some growth, even his agency in the sticky scene was prompted by Violet coming up with the idea in the first place. Honestly it felt like she was in control for a lot of the sex scene as well. Overall it feels like MC is only proactive in very small doses. You and I don't have to agree - we can see the same scenes differently and both opinions can be valid.

Me giving this feedback is not to say that the dev must change the game's genre, or even the writing. If he wants to stick to a certain creative vision that's his priority and passion, and I'd rather have him finish the game than get burnt out by pushing it into a direction he didn't want.
However, if he is looking for feedback that's that might help the game appeal to a wider audience while keeping the core concept - that's mine.

Maybe someone could do a mod that changes up the dialogue. That way both sides could get what they want.

 

[idkmanerally]

Maybe someone could do a mod that changes up the dialogue. That way both sides could get what they want.

NTS-crybaby mod, a checkbox in the menu to enable Alpha MC Mode, where it changes all MC's dialogue to be tough as fuck, "listen up bitch, it's time to suck this other fellas dick, okay? and i don't want any back talk!"

finally, a mod for the dudes out there who are definitely NOT cucks, but just like to watch their wives and girlfriends get their faces fucked by random hobos around town

 

[aaayahoo666]

There is an easy fix the dev should do about the lack of choices that would help increasing the immersion. As Vi only had sex with Eric so far, dev could add some alternative dialogue for the already existing scenes (no need to huge reword creating branches for now).

Right now the corruption is too fast and it doesn't sounds like a natural order of events. Even the corruption being something inevitable, the player should be able to control the pace (or at least try). Maybe adding some resistance, doubts, guilt in the dialogues... There is nothing more exciting in a corruption game than when the MC tries to have full control and the things goes out of hand. We could have the same progression for Vi's events, but these straight forward static dialogs with the MC begging to his girl to become a cuckold fails.

IDK just an idea (this could be useful to future branches as well).

I love this game, but TBH it's not a game... Sounds more like an erotic book. It must have some (several?) choices to make any sense for me playing this.

 

[SymbioticLife]

NTS-crybaby mod, a checkbox in the menu to enable Alpha MC Mode, where it changes all MC's dialogue to be tough as fuck, "listen up bitch, it's time to suck this other fellas dick, okay? and i don't want any back talk!"

finally, a mod for the dudes out there who are definitely NOT cucks, but just like to watch their wives and girlfriends get their faces fucked by random hobos around town

Eh, I was going to leave a more polite reply (and I sort of doubt Vi will be facefucked by hobos but I digress) but this does essentially cover the main point of what I was going to write. Ultimately Eric already is a pretty active and dominant MC within the context of NTS, he likely will be a bit more so as the story goes on... but it is still NTS which means certain boxes have to be checked just to hit the right notes.

One of the counterbalances is that he will get with other women, I do wonder if some of those will in any way tick a cuckquean or even netori box, it's something interesting to think about.

But I digress, point is you're more or less right. Changing the dialogue is ultimately silly, Eric isn't some super big cuck but he is ultimately in a sharing/swinging/exhibition/NTS relationship and no switching up the dialogue will change that core fact. And if Eric literally getting to rail the shit out Vi and a bunch of other girls still leaves some people feeling like he's too weak and ineffectual, they were never going to enjoy anything NTS.

 

[NewUserIam]

I have given up on this game a long ago, since MC gets more pussies than most of the harem games i have played, but oh well. My only problem is that some devs who are developing their own game spend more time with this game than their own game. Kills my entire hope for better options.

 

[Pagoramix]

Yeah i can tell the difference, Ari is simply a lascivious friend, maki is the older sister that corrupt ya, vi is discovering her own corruption, anya is the white bird that need corrupting. Anyways, too early, we mainly have vi countent rn.

 

[hayrullahdelisi]

Yeah i can tell the difference, Ari is simply a lascivious friend, maki is the older sister that corrupt ya, vi is discovering her own corruption, anya is the white bird that need corrupting. Anyways, too early, we mainly have vi countent rn.

They all sleep with you and make you watch them as they have sex with other men. Yeah such a big difference lol.

 

[Sossse]

from what i gathered so far, a "true" ntr dinamic is set up to develop in another couple, between the best friend and ari. eric, even though he is still inexpiriences at this point in the story, has always managed to gather respect from the people around him ( i.e. even ari prising his dick at every given opportunity and vi bragging to ari how hard eric is baning her in bad), so it does not look like this story is going the humiliation route for the MC. more like he slowly "growing" into his position of having a bunch of very promiscues women around him and learning how to "manage" them and get as much pleasure out of it as possible. just my observation
(still hoping he gets dips on younger sister and mom )

 

[TERES]

Gains

 

[palmtrees89]

I don’t know, the dev of the same "Shadows" writes that it takes him a lot of time to code and text. Therefore, his game is purely kinetic, he said that if add the choice and different paths will increase development time significantly.
I’m not a programmer, i don’t know how much time this actually takes.

In regards to paths; It's not just the code and script, but also a ton more images to generate, more story to develop. The more routes with various characters, the more complicated it gets. You'll have to plan ahead like...alot, otherwise you might eventually run into situations where previous scenes won't make sense based on dialogue or interactions between characters unless every individual route never crosses another, but at that point it's like creating a game inside the game and basically doubles or triples your workload if you wanna provide content for every route in every update, making a single update take way longer to develop (nobody wants that). And if you don't do that, you'll have to constantly go back in the story and create content for routes that have been left behind for months or however long, which all things considered would be a net-negative for everyone.

Way too many developers go down this path and we all know how it ends in most cases. 1-2 updates a year with luck or straight up abandoned. The way CG is doing it is, in my opinion, the way to go. Tons of people really enjoy his vision and the story, and those who don't, well, shit out of luck I guess. There are plenty other games to play.

I mean, there are rather simple choices like "Fuck character X in doggystyle / missionary / the good old Tokyo Sandblaster" as those kind of choices don't really have to affect future scenes, not much extra writing, only a handful of extra images, but creating entirely different choice-based routes for several characters is a pretty big task unless you have a dev-team behind you or the money to commission/outsource entire scenes. And even then, the time required to think of new content for each route alone is a mission in itself and a pretty darn exhausting creative task. This might work better if the entire game is planned out before the first image is generated as then you'd just follow the already existing script. Or, as you mentioned before, after the base game is finished (DLC). But it's questionable if the dev would be able to keep his fanbase around for god knows how long until he can start a new project due to the work on an already finished game.

Anyway.. Wall of text achieved!